Regrets - My Story

[MAST4R]

The OB was CERTAINLY more comfortable on the interstate - no contest there, also the leather seats in the limited and the turning radius will be missed. HOWEVER, I actually prefer the ridiculous height of this 4Runner and the KDSS makes city driving AWESOME! It's amazing that this lifted 4Runner has less body roll than an Outback! I am really enjoying driving this truck.

Then there's the transmission. As was mentioned, TFL Trucks did a great video showing the limitations of the CVT when you really need it off road. Honestly that video is a HUGE part of why I ended up not lifting the OB and outfitting her for off-roading. It's just not capable, unfortunately, and the little bit of off roading I did with was not enjoyable as I just felt like I could get stuck at any moment. The T4R is so much more fun off road.

Also, that OB transmission does not feel like it's going to last. We bought the car new and treated her very nicely. The rubberband feeling during acceleration started probably around 15K miles and has gotten to be ridiculous. I changed the tranny fluid at 60K with no difference. I feel like it's just been getting worse and worse. Great on the highway but annoying in the city. Conversely, I LOVE the feeling of the T4R transmission ��

Note: not all Subarus have this issue. I have driven a 2019 Outback with 10K miles which had ZERO rubberband and our 2019 Forester feels great to drive as well. I still like Subarus, overall.

Mine was an H6 5EAT and it was quite fun in easy to moderate offroading but never worry free like a stock 4R would be in the same conditions.

The TFL video undersells the Subaru because that's not how one drives a Subaru offroad, but it is a fair representation of how most people would drive it and what the outcomes would be.

I am totally not sold on CVT offroad either. As if one ever needed a reminder that Subarus are not meant for serious offroad use. I have a friend whose CVT overheated on a mild San Juan pass that I could do a lot faster than the Jeeps or Toyotas in my 5EAT with no issues.

 

[mistervague]

Thanks very much. Makes a lot of sense. Next car likely a Crosstrek or . . . 2-door Bronco???

 

[Joe-Runner]

Thanks very much. Makes a lot of sense. Next car likely a Crosstrek or . . . 2-door Bronco???

I actually owned a Crosstrek briefly and hated it. Would definitely consider the new Bronco if it turns out to be worth it! Plan to have this 4Runner for many years though.

 

[Joe-Runner]

This is how my day was spent. Did a full coolant drain and refill, had my kiddo help me out doing brake fluid and power steering fluid flush (without letting any air in), and did front/rear diffs along with transfer case.

Plan to do intake manifold cleaning tonight followed by spark plugs in the morning. Busy day.

 

[Joe-Runner]

The throttle body was one of the worst I've seen and the sludge on the rear diff plug was significant. Have everything taken apart and ready to the spark plugs first thing in the morning when the block is nice and cool (I drove her around today).

What a day!

Side note: I rotated the tires and aired them up to 52 front and 55 rear. I prefer the stiff ride it gives, and shes mostly doing highway miles for now. We'll see if it starts wearing in the middle. The previous owner had them at 30 and the outsides were beginning to noticeably wear.

 

[patkelly4370]

I regret letting my first vehicle go, 1956 F100.
Now I have the opportunity to buy another. Oe even better, a 56 panel truck.
I'm just too worn to tackle another fabrication project.

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[Joe-Runner]

I regret letting my first vehicle go, 1956 F100.
Now I have the opportunity to buy another. Oe even better, a 56 panel truck.
I'm just too worn to tackle another fabrication project.

I certainly hear you there. This last week of tuneups for this truck has certainly worn me down. At least I can sleep better now having verified that everything inside and underneath is in good shape ��

If you have time though, in my opinion maintaining vehicles in the evenings and on weekends is really a great satisfying way to spend your time. Obviously getting a lemon is not fun, but simple maintenance and upgrades are extremely mentally satisfying to me.

 

[Joe-Runner]

Finished off the tune up with the plugs this morning. Feels good to get all that done! She puuuuurrrrrs quite nice now.

Thinking about letting the dealership do the tranny fluid. Looks like a major PITA to get a 100% fluid swap in the garage.

 

[750ml]

In a perfect world we'd have one of each.

 

[itr1275]

FWIW I just traded my 2011 T4R for a 2020 T4R. All the bells and whistles are nice but they are a confusing a hell to try and navigate while you are driving.

The biggest upgrade from my 2011 is memory seats (limited) with cooling. Also the BT streaming seems to be more stable, the 2011 would get confused all the time.

The big tickets (from what I can can tell) between the 19 and 20 is the
TSS - Garbage
LDA - Garbage
Radar Cruise Control - Useful but a weird, you need to trust it - which I don't.
Larger touch screen - Looks nice but the SW is still Garbage.

So in the end if the 18 or 19 will work and you will be happy with it, take the deal.

I also suspect that the 6th gen 4runner will be a hybrid, cause Toyota trucks MPGs suck. JMHO.

You could get the new Bronco too. It's all the rage in the Toyota Forums. :wtf:

 

[Z-man]

Few additional items to consider:

1. interest rates are going to very low for at least another two, likely three to four years.
2. Car brands and dealers are going to be desperate in 2021 and 2022to move vehicles
3. That's Subaru will keep a high resale value and used cars will get in more demand as less new vehicles are sold bringing back in less trade ins to resell.

So all told, the deal you'd get in 2021 and 2022 will likely be very similar to now. in my opinion, the odds are favorable that you can get a better deal in 2021 on that 4Runner than today. If the total $ aren't better in '21, I bet it's surely no more than 2% more than what you'd get today.


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