Noticed grease everywhere when I rotated my tires, so should I try to repack the boots or just replace. NAPA has the reman CV's for $64. I currently have 90k on the original CV's. Also I was trying to search for a write up on replacing but could not find one. How hard are these to replace?
Repack or Replace CV's
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That is a tough one, but I say just repack because in my experience OEM are much tougher than aftermarket and you never really know what "remaned" was. It could have been an OEM put back to spec, or a crappy Chinese aftermarket.
Are you going to pull the shaft to put a proper, new boot on? Or are you going for one of those zip around boot styles? If you go with the proper way, you can inspect the shaft why you have it out just to see.
Are you going to pull the shaft to put a proper, new boot on? Or are you going for one of those zip around boot styles? If you go with the proper way, you can inspect the shaft why you have it out just to see.
Replace them. There is nothing wrong with a remanufactured shaft. They are inspected and rebuilt. For $64 a side it is well worth it. You will spend $20 in parts and several hours cleaning and inspecting then putting them back together. All that with the hope that your shafts are still good.
There is nothing wrong with after market parts either. I have the 'cheap chinese' shafts on mine. You are getting no better performance by spending more in this case.
I would be curious to know what experience DC has with after market shafts and how OEM are superior.
As for difficulty, they are pretty easy as long as you have the means to break the 35mm axle bolt lose. That is really the only difficult part.
There is nothing wrong with after market parts either. I have the 'cheap chinese' shafts on mine. You are getting no better performance by spending more in this case.
I would be curious to know what experience DC has with after market shafts and how OEM are superior.
As for difficulty, they are pretty easy as long as you have the means to break the 35mm axle bolt lose. That is really the only difficult part.
It is more of a general, Chinese auto parts makers build with lower quality components. The metal is not as toughened, etc, etc. It isn't that ALL aftermarket products are bad but in general, original parts built either by Toyota or FOR Toyota are of the highest quality.
My point was, if the shaft is still good; continue to use it.
My point was, if the shaft is still good; continue to use it.
I don't agree with that statement. You do realize that a lot of Toyota OEM parts are made in China, right? There are low quality parts made all over the world. In reality, Chinese steel is probably better than US. Their steel mills are much more modern than anything in the US and they don't have to follow EPA standards. I think people are often confuse less expensive with cheap. The Chinese products are cheap because they pay their people nothing and have fixed exchange rates that makes their good less expensive.
Your conflating what I said.
American Steel and Chinese steel are only as good as the foundry makes it. Your low wage argument isn't even on topic. When I say that aftermarket products are usually below OEM spec, it is exactly because China has 0 concept of institutionalized quality control. When a large company, like APPLE or Toyota, contracts out parts to China they institute quality controls; quite harshly I might add. If products deviate from the expected, that factory risks its contract. I don't personally know what parts are built in house and which are contracted out, but I do know that Toyota institutes one of the highest "quality" control programs to any part provider (like denso) of any major manufacturer. Apple, fyi, is a close 2nd.
Walk 1/2 mile down the road, or the next building over; where a factory is simply producing aftermarket products and there is literally 0 quality control. Counterfeit goods from China is a huge problem. Not only that, take Foxconn for example: It will on 1 line build APPLE official product, to spec, and then the next building over will build lower grade, "EPAD" knock offs, to undercut Apple in the Chinese market. These knock off products are built with significantly lower quality parts... and you see it.
I don't know what you do for a living, but I have personally toured Companies and had researched this issue. (FYI, I work in Congress and my job is to know this stuff).
I wasn't bashing China and I certainly wasn't attacking you. You appear to have taken it personal.
When I say that Aftermarket, 3rd part branded products produced in China are routinely underwhelming in their quality.. understand that I know what I am talking about and that this isn't B.S. The quality of steel has literally 0 to do with WHERE it is from. Modern foundries have the ability to remove and correct the geographical issues in ore...... that aftermarket parts are built with a lower standard steel or aluminum is a product of cost and not geography.
Also. Blante Carte saying US steel sucks is one of the single dumbest things I have ever heard. The reality is, America, continues to hold the technology to produce top tier products, including a **** TON of ORE for steel. China has supplanted us because they can undercut us. This is, in part our own fault. We have outpriced ourselves, sure...
but, please; get off your high horse. You went from 1 to 10 on the pissed off scale REALLY quick. I wasn't insulting YOU or CHina..
It is a practical reality of the market as it exists....
American Steel and Chinese steel are only as good as the foundry makes it. Your low wage argument isn't even on topic. When I say that aftermarket products are usually below OEM spec, it is exactly because China has 0 concept of institutionalized quality control. When a large company, like APPLE or Toyota, contracts out parts to China they institute quality controls; quite harshly I might add. If products deviate from the expected, that factory risks its contract. I don't personally know what parts are built in house and which are contracted out, but I do know that Toyota institutes one of the highest "quality" control programs to any part provider (like denso) of any major manufacturer. Apple, fyi, is a close 2nd.
Walk 1/2 mile down the road, or the next building over; where a factory is simply producing aftermarket products and there is literally 0 quality control. Counterfeit goods from China is a huge problem. Not only that, take Foxconn for example: It will on 1 line build APPLE official product, to spec, and then the next building over will build lower grade, "EPAD" knock offs, to undercut Apple in the Chinese market. These knock off products are built with significantly lower quality parts... and you see it.
I don't know what you do for a living, but I have personally toured Companies and had researched this issue. (FYI, I work in Congress and my job is to know this stuff).
I wasn't bashing China and I certainly wasn't attacking you. You appear to have taken it personal.
When I say that Aftermarket, 3rd part branded products produced in China are routinely underwhelming in their quality.. understand that I know what I am talking about and that this isn't B.S. The quality of steel has literally 0 to do with WHERE it is from. Modern foundries have the ability to remove and correct the geographical issues in ore...... that aftermarket parts are built with a lower standard steel or aluminum is a product of cost and not geography.
Also. Blante Carte saying US steel sucks is one of the single dumbest things I have ever heard. The reality is, America, continues to hold the technology to produce top tier products, including a **** TON of ORE for steel. China has supplanted us because they can undercut us. This is, in part our own fault. We have outpriced ourselves, sure...
but, please; get off your high horse. You went from 1 to 10 on the pissed off scale REALLY quick. I wasn't insulting YOU or CHina..
It is a practical reality of the market as it exists....
I am just trying to under stand what you are saying. One post you say that "crappy chinese aftermarket" then you said "The metal is not as toughened". Then you make a statement about being an expert because you work on Capitol hill. I am just confused.
I have been working on cars for over 30 years. I have seen my fair share of quality and not so high quality parts. I have never seen a pattern of any part being better than another because of the name on the box or the country of orgin. I personally like Auto Zone or Advance better than napa because they are less expensive and I don't get hassled over returns. I find that Napa is more interested in auto shop business than consumer. I bought an o ring from napa that was $4 because they were out of stock at Autozone where it was $.99.
You made a statement that "my experience OEM are much tougher than aftermarket". I still haven't seen any support for that statement, and I am confused by what exactly 'metal is not as toughened' is.
Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to start something or getting angry. Just trying to understand. :cheers:
BlackWorksInc
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There is some truth to what DC is saying, there has been a lot of low quality chinese produced products flooding the market. I have heard from numerous shop owners and technicians warning others about these products. Mostly nameless, or obscure cheaper than dirty rotors, pads, and bits that fracture prematurely, or just pretty much break apart after mild use. The quality standards are just not there in China unless someone pays them for it. If they can get away with subpar quality and retain profits they will. The US is a little more strict about it than the Chinese.
Desert Fox
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So, does anybody know of a write up on replacing these?
There must be something to it as Toyota gets upwards of $500 per wheel.
$450 in labor is a lot of labor even at $100 per hour.
There must be something to it as Toyota gets upwards of $500 per wheel.
$450 in labor is a lot of labor even at $100 per hour.
BlackWorksInc
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Replacing the boots or the Axles themselves? Either way they need to be removed, which is why it takes so long.
Desert Fox
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Jeff T
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As the weather warms I'm getting closer...
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/101038-how-install-new-cv-axles.html
I wrote one up...
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/101038-how-install-new-cv-axles.html
Oops didn't see the above post...but let me know if you have any questions...
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/101038-how-install-new-cv-axles.html
Oops didn't see the above post...but let me know if you have any questions...
Thanks settytb I used your write up to install the cv's. The only snag I came across was when I tried to unbolt the sway bar links I ended up messing them up. So just when to the parts store to get a new one. Kind of surprised how much they were. Thought they would have been cheap but ended up paying $63.00 for one. Comparing that to a brand new cv axle that I paid $70.00 for does not seem right but oh well. It was not a hard job to do but it did help to have someone help. Thanks again everybody.
Glad to hear it worked out...when i installed my daystar i didn't have air tools and couldn't hold the swaybar end link to get the nut out so i used some channel locks and messed it up too. I know what you mean. With air tools the nut comes right off. Anyways glad I could help!
