Rotational grinding noise - brand new rear brakes

[mtbtim]

There's that Parts Cannon reference again. You really like that one. Here, I'll give my own term now. How about Labor Cannon? How much is the mechanic going to charge to pull the drums and either measure them or put them on a brake lathe and turn them? Maybe he won't charge. I don't know.

The OP is armed with all the information he needs to navigate his problem. Which way he chooses is entirely up to him. Like the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". I've given my two and half cents of advice on this subject and I definitely have zero desire going back and forth further with you debating which is the better course of action. I know the way I would go based off my experience doing lots of rear brake jobs on these rigs. I've never had one issue with OEM drums or shoes, but I've heard of many people having issues with aftermarket.

 

[lucidberries]

After all this work and the mechanic can't tell the bell crank is sticking? It's certainly possible because there's lots of shitty mechanics out there, but you'd think a mechanic working in Vancouver understands corrosion issues and that the bell crank needs to operate smoothly so the shoes don't drag.

Further, the sound is only apparent when the service brake or parking brake is applied. He didn't say it makes noise all the time. A sticking bell crank would cause a constant rotational noise.

So, it sounds like an issue with the parts to me. I can't count how many times I've heard people have had issues with aftermarket drums and shoes on these rigs. The OP shouldn't have to eat the cost of the aftermarket parts. The shop can return them.

Another thing to note is I bet there was nothing wrong with the OPs drums. I've done the rear axle seal job on probably 15 rigs. Not one of them did I replace the drums for the person I was helping. I cleaned up the drums with brake cleaner, installed some new OEM shoes and they were good to go.

OP, if the shop didn't chuck the old drums, have them reinstall them with a set of OEM shoes.

I'll likely forward this entire thread to my mechanic for them to review the suggestions and we can chat about what to do.

I just wanted to reiterate that I do hear the noise when I put my foot on the brake pedal (when slowly coming to a stop the grinding is present) - not just using the e-brake. I just mentioned the e-brake since it pretty well ruled out most other things in my head and the culprit was something up with the rear brakes.

Would the rear axle seal cause intermittent rotational grinding noise?

I have a video I will try and post

 

[lucidberries]

Probably gonna be very hard to do but is there anyway you could upload a video of it making the noise?


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[brillo_76]

Thanks for the video. To me is sounds like metal hitting its not consistent grinding. Something touching the drum. Dust shield bumping it etc. Hopefully your mechanic will be able to patch you up.

 

[mtbtim]

I'll likely forward this entire thread to my mechanic for them to review the suggestions and we can chat about what to do.

I just wanted to reiterate that I do hear the noise when I put my foot on the brake pedal (when slowly coming to a stop the grinding is present) - not just using the e-brake. I just mentioned the e-brake since it pretty well ruled out most other things in my head and the culprit was something up with the rear brakes.

Would the rear axle seal cause intermittent rotational grinding noise?

I have a video I will try and post

The answer is most likely No. Your wheel bearing would need massive play to give you that noise when the brakes are applied. If your bearing(s) were that shot, you'd hear a constant rotational noise. The wheel bearing theory given was a big shot in the dark. Like I already said, logic or common sense needs to be applied to this problem. It would be a HUGE coincidence for the wheel bearings to go out right at the time you got a brake job done. Is it possible? Sure, anything is possible. It's just like, is it possible a certain someone won't comment back on this topic? The answer is Yes, but VERY unlikely applying my experience on this forum.

Your problem is with the brakes and your mechanic owes it to you to figure it out. It shouldn't be your problem to fix it. I'm just arming you with information to use to get the guy on the right track.

Good luck! You're welcome to personal message me or contact me on my YouTube channel for further help. I'm not going to comment further here.

 

[brillo_76]

There's that Parts Cannon reference again. You really like that one. Here, I'll give my own term now. How about Labor Cannon? How much is the mechanic going to charge to pull the drums and either measure them or put them on a brake lathe and turn them? Maybe he won't charge. I don't know.

The OP is armed with all the information he needs to navigate his problem. Which way he chooses is entirely up to him. Like the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". I've given my two and half cents of advice on this subject and I definitely have zero desire going back and forth further with you debating which is the better course of action. I know the way I would go based off my experience doing lots of rear brake jobs on these rigs. I've never had one issue with OEM drums or shoes, but I've heard of many people having issues with aftermarket.

Tim you worked on 15 brake jobs and your an expert. I hate to break it to you that you are not. You are a hobby mechanic like most of us are. You are not a certified master Toyota technician. Nor a master mechanic. In your own mind you are I cant fix that.

I done over 30 of my own drum brake repairs fixes on Toyota trucks, 4 runners, camrys etc. Not to mention watch other mechanics who do it for a living more times then I can count. I have a pile more experience then you when it comes to drum brake issues among other things. Plus you need to realize that 50 to 60% of all garages do not use OEM brake parts. Heck half the dealerships wont to save their costumers money. Maybe some people know more about things then you do about certain things.. Maybe they had more experience then you. Some of us have been working on Toyota's longer then you have and I am not an expert nor never claim to be one.

 

[mtbtim]

OP, I lied. I'll comment one more time. You just witnessed my application of logic. I knew a certain someone couldn't resist posting again, and sure enough, I was right. All it takes is using some experience and common sense to figure something out.

OP, take a look at my library of videos on my YouTube channel and figure out for yourself if I'm someone worthy of taking advice from. Of course I'm not always right, nobody is. I also don't know everything. I'm learning new stuff everyday.

Short of a mistake made by your mechanic, your problem resides with the brakes parts that were installed. I'm not there to see the work the mechanic did, so I'm assuming he knows what he's doing. Sometimes that's a big assumption because there's lots of incompetent mechanics out there, some on this very forum. I can't count how many times someone brings their rig to a Toyota dealership that is filled with Toyota Master Technicians and somehow they find a way to screw up a whole lot of people's vehicles while charging them a boat load of money. You see, some people think titles mean something. I know better. It's just a piece of paper that they can frame and put on a wall. In reality, the best person to work on your rig is you, because you have the vested interest to make sure the job is done right.

Here's some more sage advice from a Non-Certified Toyota Technician. Start investing in tools and learning about Auto Mechanics. You'll be much better off. Also, use some logic and common sense for who you choose to take advice from on Toyota forums and Toyota Facebook groups. Most of the information given is pretty good on this forum but there's exceptions to that rule. Facebook groups have good contributors too, but also a fair amount of people that are there to just talk shit to each other.

Good luck. Let us know what the mechanic figures out.

 

[lucidberries]

OP, I lied. I'll comment one more time. You just witnessed my application of logic. I knew a certain someone couldn't resist posting again, and sure enough, I was right. All it takes is using some experience and common sense to figure something out.

OP, take a look at my library of videos on my YouTube channel and figure out for yourself if I'm someone worthy of taking advice from. Of course I'm not always right, nobody is. I also don't know everything. I'm learning new stuff everyday.

Short of a mistake made by your mechanic, your problem resides with the brakes parts that were installed. I'm not there to see the work the mechanic did, so I'm assuming he knows what he's doing. Sometimes that's a big assumption because there's lots of incompetent mechanics out there, some on this very forum. I can't count how many times someone brings their rig to a Toyota dealership that is filled with Toyota Master Technicians and somehow they find a way to screw up a whole lot of people's vehicles while charging them a boat load of money. You see, some people think titles mean something. I know better. It's just a piece of paper that they can frame and put on a wall. In reality, the best person to work on your rig is you, because you have the vested interest to make sure the job is done right.

Here's some more sage advice from a Non-Certified Toyota Technician. Start investing in tools and learning about Auto Mechanics. You'll be much better off. Also, use some logic and common sense for who you choose to take advice from on Toyota forums and Toyota Facebook groups. Most of the information given is pretty good on this forum but there's exceptions to that rule. Facebook groups have good contributors too, but also a fair amount of people that are there to just talk shit to each other.

Good luck. Let us know what the mechanic figures out.

First of all, I appreciate information from both parties here so thanks guys

My mechanic at the shop has been very helpful with all of this and I wanted to take to the forums to see if I could gather any more outside perspectives before we proceed.

My mechanic actually recommended one option take it to the Toyota dealer and if they find a simple adjustment that fixes it, they will pay the dealership bill... so it's hard to imagine someone that sure of their work would have missed something but these things do happen of course.

That said, the shop also has very high confidence in their parts supplier (Raybestos) so I sort of doubt the 'all new OEM parts' route will be recommended

Tim, I have watched many videos of yours on YouTube and fixed a few basic things myself with your guidance so extra thanks there! I would love nothing more than to have the space, tools, and time to fix this 20-year-old truck myself but unfortunately, I live in an apartment in a city so it's just not realistic for me (yet!)

 

[Sparky 97Runner]

You see, some people think titles mean something. I know better. It's just a piece of paper that they can frame and put on a wall.

I don't know Tim. I have this sticker on a toolbox in the garage and it's a title that I take very seriously. It's a title that I earned from watching mostly your videos and several others. So........Just sayin.

 

[mtbtim]

I don't know Tim. I have this sticker on a toolbox in the garage and it's a title that I take very seriously. It's a title that I earned from watching mostly your videos and several others. So........Just sayin.

Hey, I've got the same one, but it's actually a banner that I hang in my garage letting people know I'm YouTube Certified as well.

 

[brillo_76]

So did I. I just know when guessing on what it maybe it's not best to guarantee things. The mechanics know what doing where this guy taking it too Brainstorming ideas and here comes the videos to a member who doesn't work on his rig doesn't have attention on working on his rig.

Where the other half of your transmission video coming out?

You just about out of things to do videos on. Then what are you going to do?



Ever work on the newer engines with vvti and all the electronics. Maybe you can expand out to modern vehicles or you tube channel may fade away.

That's what you love and enjoy doing. It's your thing and I given you credit for your videos here and on Facebook.

I ask only one thing. Please don't whine and complain when nobody is liking and commenting on your videos. You done this serveral times already. It makes it look like your more focused on attention on yourself then the content and the videos that you create.


Hopefully you can accomplish this before you chase more people away from this forum.

I know people that have left because of your attitude and behavior in here.

I have had people personally contact me about this.

So whatever. I am considering leaving this forum myself just like other have because of you Tim.

Great Job striking the forum even more that's a great accomplishment to have achieved..









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[Sarki]

I’ve personally benefited from both of you guys (Tim & Jon) over the years and would hate to see either of you leave this excellent forum.
You both have made massive contributions and helped as well as encouraged many of us through head scratching problems with our rigs. There are some projects I would not have taken on if not for Tim’s easy to follow detailed videos as well as Jon’s advice and running thread on maintaining/repairing his small fleet of 3rd gens.
We all have different approaches and personalities which in my opinion adds to the fun of the forum.
Apologies to [MENTION=537099]lucidberries[/MENTION] as I didn’t mean to hijack this thread but wanted to thank both guys for their constant help & contributions.

 

[brillo_76]

Yes I need to apologize to the Op as well. As my frustration with Tim shouldn't have spilled into this thread. I don't know how to reach people that are coming across as know it alls and have attitude issues. It's actually not good for the members.

It's off topic to his back brake issues.

We just have to do something here as when people are leaving the forum because of this. Something has to change.

I wasn't even allowed to disagree and brainstorm ideas on this brake issue.

Which could even be slight play in the outer wheel bearing causing the occasional contact.

This is not how forums are supposed to work. When people are telling me privately that a member is obnoxious and they are acting bizarre it needs to be dealt with.

I tried to reach Tim but he not understanding how he coming across to a pile of people.

I figure it's just best for me to move on. Like Lots of other people did and not worth it to me.

I was only ever here to try to help members fix their rigs. Yes I was wrong at times and that needed to be corrected. I never had issues with that part at all. It's how everyone learns.

Best of luck to all...



















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[mtbtim]

So did I. I just know when guessing on what it maybe it's not best to guarantee things. The mechanics know what doing where this guy taking it too Brainstorming ideas and here comes the videos to a member who doesn't work on his rig doesn't have attention on working on his rig.

Where the other half of your transmission video coming out?

You just about out of things to do videos on. Then what are you going to do?



Ever work on the newer engines with vvti and all the electronics. Maybe you can expand out to modern vehicles or you tube channel may fade away.

That's what you love and enjoy doing. It's your thing and I given you credit for your videos here and on Facebook.

I ask only one thing. Please don't whine and complain when nobody is liking and commenting on your videos. You done this serveral times already. It makes it look like your more focused on attention on yourself then the content and the videos that you create.


Hopefully you can accomplish this before you chase more people away from this forum.

I know people that have left because of your attitude and behavior in here.

I have had people personally contact me about this.

So whatever. I am considering leaving this forum myself just like other have because of you Tim.

Great Job striking the forum even more that's a great accomplishment to have achieved..









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You really are pathetic Jon. I called you out on that other thread about the engine harness plug because it was astonishing to me how you first spouted off a totally incorrect response, then totally disregarded my contribution to the subject matter, and also missed my exchange with Charlie who was confirming what I said was accurate. Now that I know how you really feel about me, it makes sense. The slight was intended.

Kind of funny you bringing up the word "Whining" when you were acting like a crying little baby when I called you out for your blunder and used some language that hurt your wittle feelings. You even threatened to report me to the Admins because you can't fight your own battles.

My comment about the lack of engagement on my video posts is due to my disappointment that the forum attendance has died off. It was way more fun when there were more contributing members. It would be the same for people who put a lot into their Build Threads sharing Sic Mods and then get no discussion from it. A big part of the enjoyment of being a member of a forum like this is the exchange of comments and information. I'm very proud of the videos I'm able to share with the Toyota DIY Automotive Mechanic Community. This is part of the reason I also post my videos on Toyota Facebook groups because the engagement there is much better. People commenting or giving a like lets me know what I'm doing is reaching people and is worthwhile.

Don't worry Jon. I had Part 2 of the R150F Transmission Rebuild edited and ready weeks ago. My buddy Sean recently got married and that took priority over him finalizing the project. I do all the rough cuts to get the content and flow I want and then Sean gets the project and makes it much nicer to watch.

Am I running out of things to make videos on? I just have to laugh on that one and it clearly states to me you know very little about what Sean and I do. We don't just work on 3rd Gen 4runners. We've done videos on 1st Gen 4runners, 4th Gen 4runners, 5th Gen 4runners, FJ Cruisers, FJ 80 Land Cruisers, 100 Series Land Cruisers, 1st Gen Tundras, 2nd Gen Tundras, 1st Gen Seqoias, Lexus LX470s, Lexus GX470s. So No Jon, we aren't running out of content. We never will. Also, unless there's an apocalyptic event and the internet ceases to exist, my videos will live on long after you and I are both dead.

If people left the forum because of me, that's on them, and their weak-minded for doing it. I don't have that much power Jon, especially over the internet. It's not like I'm some bully in a school play yard getting in people's faces and pushing them around. We're all adults here. The overwhelming majority of the exchanges I've had with people on this forum have been positive and I've helped out a tremendous amount of people with my videos and commentary on this forum. I've just had my moments where I've butted heads with certain members who are wound a little tight, like you. I've got a strong personality and it doesn't jive with some people.

Off the top of my head, I can count on one hand the guys I've butted heads with on this forum. There's You, of course. There was Bad Luck who took offense to me claiming the forum was dying off. There was BigFishAllDay who didn't like that I posted my videos so much. And, there was Speedy who talked shit to me saying nobody would watch our Supercharger video because it was too long.

I haven't been that active on the forum over the last few years because of the fact the number of contributing members has died off. I tend to go in waves. Pretty soon, I won't be frequenting it that much because I'll lose interest like I've done many times since I've joined.

I'm guessing Bad Luck was the one of the people you were having a Timmy shit-talking session about because I haven't seen him contribute in a while.

So, I don't know what else to say Jon. Big Bad Timmy will probably continue to contribute here. If you decide to leave, that's on you.

 

[Jakeepoo3]

So did I. I just know when guessing on what it maybe it's not best to guarantee things. The mechanics know what doing where this guy taking it too Brainstorming ideas and here comes the videos to a member who doesn't work on his rig doesn't have attention on working on his rig.

Where the other half of your transmission video coming out?

You just about out of things to do videos on. Then what are you going to do?



Ever work on the newer engines with vvti and all the electronics. Maybe you can expand out to modern vehicles or you tube channel may fade away.

That's what you love and enjoy doing. It's your thing and I given you credit for your videos here and on Facebook.

I ask only one thing. Please don't whine and complain when nobody is liking and commenting on your videos. You done this serveral times already. It makes it look like your more focused on attention on yourself then the content and the videos that you create.


Hopefully you can accomplish this before you chase more people away from this forum.

I know people that have left because of your attitude and behavior in here.

I have had people personally contact me about this.

So whatever. I am considering leaving this forum myself just like other have because of you Tim.

Great Job striking the forum even more that's a great accomplishment to have achieved..









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We like you here! Don't leave brillo!

 

[Jakeepoo3]

Chill! Let's keep our knowledgeable members! Bad luckers was mean to me too several times, which is fine with me, he keeps me on my toes and must be my fanatic. Although he's always leaving negative comments and getting me warned by the website somehow.. I actually corrected some of his information with concrete knowledge and got in trouble

 

[mtbtim]

Yes I need to apologize to the Op as well. As my frustration with Tim shouldn't have spilled into this thread. I don't know how to reach people that are coming across as know it alls and have attitude issues. It's actually not good for the members.

It's off topic to his back brake issues.

We just have to do something here as when people are leaving the forum because of this. Something has to change.

I wasn't even allowed to disagree and brainstorm ideas on this brake issue.

Which could even be slight play in the outer wheel bearing causing the occasional contact.

This is not how forums are supposed to work. When people are telling me privately that a member is obnoxious and they are acting bizarre it needs to be dealt with.

I tried to reach Tim but he not understanding how he coming across to a pile of people.

I figure it's just best for me to move on. Like Lots of other people did and not worth it to me.

I was only ever here to try to help members fix their rigs. Yes I was wrong at times and that needed to be corrected. I never had issues with that part at all. It's how everyone learns.

Best of luck to all...


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My God, are you a BABY! It's called debate Jon. Sometimes debate is vigorous. That's all it was on this guys thread. You shared your idea of what the problem was and I disagreed. You heartily disagreed with my opinion too on what the problem was using your "Parts Cannon" comment more than once. Did you hear me whining about how I was unable to share my opinion on what the problem is? No, you didn't. We both got to share our opinions. You just can't handle people checking you on your posts. I think a lot of people just give you a pass. I guess you read between the lines of my posts and have figured out I don't really like engaging with you on this forum, and I also don't consider your contributions as gospel. Hate to break it to you Jon, not everyone likes you and you're not always right. Not everyone like me either and I'm wrong plenty of times.

You act like you're some Forum Confidant and people are flooding in with personal messages to you complaining about me. I tend to think you're WAY overstating this fact and it's pretty much a couple guys you've had knitting sessions with bashing me.

Anyway, leave the forum if you want Jon. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I'm going nowhere, unless I get banished by the Admins, and I don't feel I've earned being canceled having a disagreement with one member. I'm certain you have by now made an attempt with the Admins to get rid of me, so I won't be surprised if I hear something from them.

 

[Sparky 97Runner]

Well this is a major bummer. I've received an immense amount of good 3rd Gen technical information from these two members Jon and Tim. I'm guessing most other members think the same.

 

[mtbtim]

Well this is a major bummer. I've received an immense amount of good 3rd Gen technical information from these two members Jon and Tim. I'm guessing most other members think the same.

He'll get over it. This forum is big enough for the both of us. When I know I have issues with a certain member, I do my best to avoid them.

This thread is a good example of me trying to practice avoidance. My first post was Post #10. In my post, I didn't mention anything about what Jon said previously with his posts. I just shared my opinion on what the most likely culprit for the problem was. Now look a Jon's Post #12 where he disagrees with what I said. In Post #17, I'm directing a comment directly to the OP, but who comes in on Post #18 to further discuss how I'm wrong and he's right? It's not until Post #21, that you can tell I'm getting annoyed with Jon. Then in Post #26, he insults my level of knowledge. The result of Jon's actions is the gloves come off. If he's going to talk shit to me, it's game on.

Jon is anything but The Innocent Little Victim he's trying to portray himself as.

 

[Sparky 97Runner]

He'll get over it. This forum is big enough for the both of us. When I know I have issues with a certain member, I do my best to avoid them.

This thread is a good example of me trying to practice avoidance. My first post was Post #10. In my post, I didn't mention anything about what Jon said previously with his posts. I just shared my opinion on what the most likely culprit for the problem was. Now look a Jon's Post #12 where he disagrees with what I said. In Post #17, I'm directing a comment directly to the OP, but who comes in on Post #18 to further discuss how I'm wrong and he's right? It's not until Post #21, that you can tell I'm getting annoyed with Jon. Then in Post #26, he insults my level of knowledge. The result of Jon's actions is the gloves come off. If he's going to talk shit to me, it's game on.

Jon is anything but The Innocent Little Victim he's trying to portray himself as.

I'm definitely not keeping track but the Dad in me wants to put you both in time out. Now, I don't care who started it. I don't want to hear another word! Joking.......kind of.