wilsoncwil
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I wonder how many people have died on lion's back? If not that many have died I'd do it in a heartbeat!
Rubicon vs. Lion's Back
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vandert
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Far superior
Just so you know,
Yes, you can do it with your stock 4Runner, and no, not many people have died. People have had brake failures etc.. coming down but I don't recall in the last 5 years or so anyone dieing that I've heard of, that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
The far superior is refering to the 4Runner suspension and 4wd system compared to my T100, it's longer wheelbase, and was a inferior IFS suspension compaired to the 4Runner, and it also had leaf springs, the 4Runner is extremely capable in stock form. I actually would venture to say it was more capable than my old Wrangler, however, because of the expense of bodypanels, I wouldn't wheel the 4Runner as hard as I did my Wrangler's in the past.
With proper body protection, OME suspension and ARB rear locker, I would take the 4Runner anywhere, and I'm confident it would take me there. Don't doubt your Runner ever, if you've got the balls, it will go. Out of the box it's a hell of a package.
T
Just so you know,
Yes, you can do it with your stock 4Runner, and no, not many people have died. People have had brake failures etc.. coming down but I don't recall in the last 5 years or so anyone dieing that I've heard of, that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
The far superior is refering to the 4Runner suspension and 4wd system compared to my T100, it's longer wheelbase, and was a inferior IFS suspension compaired to the 4Runner, and it also had leaf springs, the 4Runner is extremely capable in stock form. I actually would venture to say it was more capable than my old Wrangler, however, because of the expense of bodypanels, I wouldn't wheel the 4Runner as hard as I did my Wrangler's in the past.
With proper body protection, OME suspension and ARB rear locker, I would take the 4Runner anywhere, and I'm confident it would take me there. Don't doubt your Runner ever, if you've got the balls, it will go. Out of the box it's a hell of a package.
T
wilsoncwil
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Re: Far superior
Thanks for the info, Lion's back sounds like a fun summer road and camping trip.
PS - do people in Germany look down on people who drive Japanese or American cars?
vandert said:
Thanks for the info, Lion's back sounds like a fun summer road and camping trip.
PS - do people in Germany look down on people who drive Japanese or American cars?
garrett1478
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lol, that guy's a character. my favorite line - "OK, i'm locking the rear axle....because somone on the forum said to do that when coming down this thing" LOL
that's pretty intense though. i have respect for that guy, regardless of what hes driving.
nice vid.
that's pretty intense though. i have respect for that guy, regardless of what hes driving.
nice vid.
K6UK
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Here's the blazer crash links:
Here are the links to the blazer - taking the quick way down:
Link 1
Link 2
Apparently, what happened is they tried to stick it in park when the brakes failed...
Oh, and just to keep us on topic for this board, here are some shots I found of a 4runner that didn't make it:
-Mike
Here are the links to the blazer - taking the quick way down:
Link 1
Link 2
Apparently, what happened is they tried to stick it in park when the brakes failed...
Oh, and just to keep us on topic for this board, here are some shots I found of a 4runner that didn't make it:
-Mike
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Mr. Lambdebois
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Re: Far superior
That is an awsome reply. Could you please explain to me how the ifs in the 4runner is superior comparied to your t-100's ifs? I am new to toyota's for the most part and don't have much experiance with their ifs systems and differances.....
I drove an AWD explorer with a 5.0l v8 and limited slips front and rear many places most people would never thought was possible for an explorer. It had slight tweaks like shackles in the rear and cranked up torsion bars and AT tires but that was it besides a tweaked 4r70w tranny. Granted it still had it's limits with approach angle but it got me a lot of places and pulled a few others out before.
To make a long story short I knew I wanted a suv with a full time system, a solid rear axle, and a torqey V8 to replace it. The fact the 4runner was a full time 4x4 system with a low range, center locking diff, dac, and good advertised ground clearance made me like it a lot. The only thing that concerns me is that the front skid plate under the k-member is so low to the ground. I never felt like I was so pinched for space laying on the ground under the front end of my explorer. If it proves to be an issue when I finally make it out of the sun belt and wheel it . I'll lift it with OME..... but untill then you have convinced me otherwise.
:cheers: :bigok:
vandert said:
That is an awsome reply. Could you please explain to me how the ifs in the 4runner is superior comparied to your t-100's ifs? I am new to toyota's for the most part and don't have much experiance with their ifs systems and differances.....
I drove an AWD explorer with a 5.0l v8 and limited slips front and rear many places most people would never thought was possible for an explorer. It had slight tweaks like shackles in the rear and cranked up torsion bars and AT tires but that was it besides a tweaked 4r70w tranny. Granted it still had it's limits with approach angle but it got me a lot of places and pulled a few others out before.
To make a long story short I knew I wanted a suv with a full time system, a solid rear axle, and a torqey V8 to replace it. The fact the 4runner was a full time 4x4 system with a low range, center locking diff, dac, and good advertised ground clearance made me like it a lot. The only thing that concerns me is that the front skid plate under the k-member is so low to the ground. I never felt like I was so pinched for space laying on the ground under the front end of my explorer. If it proves to be an issue when I finally make it out of the sun belt and wheel it . I'll lift it with OME..... but untill then you have convinced me otherwise.
:cheers: :bigok:
Mr. Lambdebois
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Re: Here's the blazer crash links:
Yep thats it.
What was the girl saying at the beginning of the second vid?
They put it in park? Wonder if engine braking in first would have helped at all on that steep a decent?
Also....How in the heck did that 4runner get there? Regardless looks as if it has been there a while....
Yep thats it.
What was the girl saying at the beginning of the second vid?
They put it in park? Wonder if engine braking in first would have helped at all on that steep a decent?
Also....How in the heck did that 4runner get there? Regardless looks as if it has been there a while....
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Mr. Lambdebois
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garrett1478 said:
Made me laugh as well....
:lmao:
I would probably be talking to myself as well though in reality.
And yes that was the best vid I have seen of it.....:cheers:
vandert
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Re: Re: Far superior
Alright, I'll try to get this all in some kinda' order. The 4Runner's IFS is supierior to my old T100's mainly due to the Coil base of the suspension over the torsion bar based system used in the previous gen1 and gen2 IFS and pre tacoma pickups. With the newer IFS they worked the bugs out, granted you will never have the flex or strenght associated with some of the built Solid axles in the front but the 4Runner, and Toyota for that fact got it pretty good. There are changes to the ring and pinion as well on the newer model of IFS as well, ARB agree's with me as they never produced a front locker for the previous gen IFS, but they support the added strength of the newer IFS and developed an air locker for our fronts
Believe it or not, the IFS on the front of your 4Runner is capable of flexing, unless you had the older Exploder with the IBeam, "possibly the only truly good IFS ever made, but it had it's inherite weaknesses as well", chances are your front on the explorer would go nowhere near the amount of flex, granted, it's not much but it's alot for IFS.
FYI, that 4Runner, the maroon one, it got wedged in the bottom and sat there for a few weeks/months before it was removed, everything worth anything on it was stripped befor it got removed, the fall was bad enough to blow out every window on th fall. Those 4Runner's were the last one's equiped with the older IFS in case you were wondering, however they were also the first one's to step up to the coil spring in the back which helped articulation emensly.
The lower part of the front end around the K member that you are questioning is part of the body armour I'm talking about getting, there are good/heavy duty skid's for the runner, but they are expensive
Mr. Lambdebois said:That is an awsome reply. Could you please explain to me how the ifs in the 4runner is superior comparied to your t-100's ifs? I am new to toyota's for the most part and don't have much experiance with their ifs systems and differances.....
I drove an AWD explorer with a 5.0l v8 and limited slips front and rear many places most people would never thought was possible for an explorer. It had slight tweaks like shackles in the rear and cranked up torsion bars and AT tires but that was it besides a tweaked 4r70w tranny. Granted it still had it's limits with approach angle but it got me a lot of places and pulled a few others out before.
To make a long story short I knew I wanted a suv with a full time system, a solid rear axle, and a torqey V8 to replace it. The fact the 4runner was a full time 4x4 system with a low range, center locking diff, dac, and good advertised ground clearance made me like it a lot. The only thing that concerns me is that the front skid plate under the k-member is so low to the ground. I never felt like I was so pinched for space laying on the ground under the front end of my explorer. If it proves to be an issue when I finally make it out of the sun belt and wheel it . I'll lift it with OME..... but untill then you have convinced me otherwise.
:cheers: :bigok:
Alright, I'll try to get this all in some kinda' order. The 4Runner's IFS is supierior to my old T100's mainly due to the Coil base of the suspension over the torsion bar based system used in the previous gen1 and gen2 IFS and pre tacoma pickups. With the newer IFS they worked the bugs out, granted you will never have the flex or strenght associated with some of the built Solid axles in the front but the 4Runner, and Toyota for that fact got it pretty good. There are changes to the ring and pinion as well on the newer model of IFS as well, ARB agree's with me as they never produced a front locker for the previous gen IFS, but they support the added strength of the newer IFS and developed an air locker for our fronts
Believe it or not, the IFS on the front of your 4Runner is capable of flexing, unless you had the older Exploder with the IBeam, "possibly the only truly good IFS ever made, but it had it's inherite weaknesses as well", chances are your front on the explorer would go nowhere near the amount of flex, granted, it's not much but it's alot for IFS.FYI, that 4Runner, the maroon one, it got wedged in the bottom and sat there for a few weeks/months before it was removed, everything worth anything on it was stripped befor it got removed, the fall was bad enough to blow out every window on th fall. Those 4Runner's were the last one's equiped with the older IFS in case you were wondering, however they were also the first one's to step up to the coil spring in the back which helped articulation emensly.
The lower part of the front end around the K member that you are questioning is part of the body armour I'm talking about getting, there are good/heavy duty skid's for the runner, but they are expensive
Mr. Lambdebois
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Well I was refering to a 2nd gen with the irs so your right but off topic I have also owned a 1st gen with the twin-I beam.
Let me see if I can get the data on a 2nd gen explorer for wheel travel up and down on their irs...... I think it would be very interesting to compare.
How much wheel travel do the 4th gen 4runners have with the ifs?
Also how about rear wheel travel?
vandert said:Alright, I'll try to get this all in some kinda' order. The 4Runner's IFS is supierior to my old T100's mainly due to the Coil base of the suspension over the torsion bar based system used in the previous gen1 and gen2 IFS and pre tacoma pickups. With the newer IFS they worked the bugs out, granted you will never have the flex or strenght associated with some of the built Solid axles in the front but the 4Runner, and Toyota for that fact got it pretty good. There are changes to the ring and pinion as well on the newer model of IFS as well, ARB agree's with me as they never produced a front locker for the previous gen IFS, but they support the added strength of the newer IFS and developed an air locker for our fronts
The lower part of the front end around the K member that you are questioning is part of the body armour I'm talking about getting, there are good/heavy duty skid's for the runner, but they are expensive
Well I was refering to a 2nd gen with the irs so your right but off topic I have also owned a 1st gen with the twin-I beam.
Let me see if I can get the data on a 2nd gen explorer for wheel travel up and down on their irs...... I think it would be very interesting to compare.
How much wheel travel do the 4th gen 4runners have with the ifs?
Also how about rear wheel travel?
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Mr. Lambdebois
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Do you know anything about Ramp Travel Index scores by chance?
Right on.Thai said:
Do you know anything about Ramp Travel Index scores by chance?
