Run away Toyotas - It's getting old

[Thai]

Here's an update to this ladies run away 4Runner. Looks like her 4Runner isn't suffering from unattended acceleration after all and she is now happy. I wonder if Toyota can now sue her for defamation of character..?

After headaches, Toyota makes at least one customer happy - OC Watchdog : The Orange County Register

But, decon, Toyota never found the problem in this lady's 4runner...so, no, the problem is not "solved"...it is just that Toyota was nice to the lady.

Here is yet another recall-in-the-making: Toyota investigating Corolla steering problems - Yahoo! News

It is Toyota Corolla time.... :roadkill:

 

[SkylineGTRracer]

But, decon, Toyota never found the problem in this lady's 4runner...so, no, the problem is not "solved"...it is just that Toyota was nice to the lady.

Here is yet another recall-in-the-making: Toyota investigating Corolla steering problems - Yahoo! News

It is Toyota Corolla time.... :roadkill:

To be honest that doesn't surprise me at all. all FWD cars have that problem with age now with the corolla this may be more serious as a pressure problem in the system but my 97 rav4 has had that problem ever since it I started driving. my friends 92 yukon is also experiencing the "GM wobble" in the wheel but the pressure is fine he just needs new plumbing.

 

[dcon]

To be honest that doesn't surprise me at all. all FWD cars have that problem with age now with the corolla this may be more serious as a pressure problem in the system but my 97 rav4 has had that problem ever since it I started driving. my friends 92 yukon is also experiencing the "GM wobble" in the wheel but the pressure is fine he just needs new plumbing.

It's called wear and tear. I think with all the recall media hype a lot of Toyota owners have become hypercritical of their vehicles.

 

[Thai]

I think that the 2009-2010 Corollas have electric steering, not your old hydraulic system.

 

[dcon]

I think that the 2009-2010 Corollas have electric steering, not your old hydraulic system.

Electric assisted steering is horrible, I had a Chevy Malibu for a rental car with electric assist and the steering would suffer from some kind of fade on twisty mountain road. So I'm starting to think it is an inherent problem with the design.

 

[SkylineGTRracer]

when did they make the steering electric? surprise to me. I really hate all this electric stuff on the cars and trucks take all the fun and feeling out of it.

 

[Uneek]

when did they make the steering electric? surprise to me. I really hate all this electric stuff on the cars and trucks take all the fun and feeling out of it.

I think electric assist steering has been on some Toyota and Lexus models since 2006 or so.

 

[024RunnerSE]

LOL thats hilarious that ppl with the vehicles that don't have throttle-by-wire are claiming they have run away vehicles. Wow..

 

[Jed]

LOL thats hilarious that ppl with the vehicles that don't have throttle-by-wire are claiming they have run away vehicles. Wow..

It is possible for the throttle get get stuck open on the older vehicles with throttle cables. It actually happened to my mother years ago. She had a V8 Cadillac that she had to ride the brakes all the way home from the grocery store. She told me that the throttle started sticking when she hit a pothole and would not release. When I went out to look at her car, I noticed that her front brakes were actually smoking. Anyway, I looked under the hood and found a plastic clip that had slide down the fuel rail and had managed to lodge itself into the return spring for the throttle plate. So I guess when she hit the pothole, the clip swung around and landed right between the throttle and its stop plate, causing her car to have an open throttle all the time. I know this is different than the Toyota issue, but still, similar things can happen with the old cable-style accelerators too.

 

[Jed]

So it looks like Toyota is going to have some REAL big issues to deal with now. I heard on the news that someone leaked internal documents proving that Toyota not only knew about all of these issues, but also made a decision to ignore or delay issuing recalls to correct the problem. They said something about the company saving millions of dollars by not issuing the recalls right away. If there is any truth to this, I think Toyota will end up paying dearly for it.

 

[Thai]

So it looks like Toyota is going to have some REAL big issues to deal with now. I heard on the news that someone leaked internal documents proving that Toyota not only knew about all of these issues, but also made a decision to ignore or delay issuing recalls to correct the problem. They said something about the company saving millions of dollars by not issuing the recalls right away. If there is any truth to this, I think Toyota will end up paying dearly for it.

Jed, i thought that this whole Toyota thing was a big hype and that there was nothing to worry about??? :toilet3:

If you had done some research initially instead of just blabbing away fanboy crap, then you would have come to the same conclusion as me (and other members here). :bash:

 

[Jed]

Just in case member Thai forgot----

This is all I ever see when you post:

This message is hidden because Thai is on your ignore list.

Just in case he's replying to me, I'm quite sure it will be his same old BS, so don't bother.

 

[Thai]

Just in case member Thai forgot----

This is all I ever see when you post:

This message is hidden because Thai is on your ignore list.

Just in case he's replying to me, I'm quite sure it will be his same old BS, so don't bother.

This is a lot better than your previous fanboy denial...i like it. :thumb3:

 

[Dungeroo]

Really......A Surge into a PT cruiser....

Too bad the a/c was on when this happened.......duh.....all my vehicles with automatic transmission have had this "surge" when the a/c is on. Timing may be to blame here, as she "pulled into a parking space," [she] likely took her foot off the brake to put the vehicle in park, and the a/c compressor turned on at that moment....Again, hypersensitivity causes hysteria....I'm not trying to be insensitive and I do feel badly for the families whose vehicles have "real" issues that have caused tragic occurances, but I highly doubt there will be any type of 4runner surging in ...say...the northern part of the country...for at least a few more months.....burrrrr! (That is, of course, unless some "vehicle ignorant" hypersensitive person up here tries to connect the heater to an engine surge.)

My .02! (bet she had the A/C on!):boink:

 

[JB.]

As one who has experienced sudden, unintended DEceleration (knock on wood) since day one, I never bought the floor mat theory. It's not something I expected to ever get fixed......until now.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/500415-post14.html

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/problems-warranty-issues/17181-odd-downhill-engine-behavior.html

 

[blaniac22]

As one who has experienced sudden, unintended DEceleration (knock on wood) since day one, I never bought the floor mat theory. It's not something I expected to ever get fixed......until now.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/500415-post14.html

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/problems-warranty-issues/17181-odd-downhill-engine-behavior.html

Maybe you need to have your brake pedal replaced.

 

[Rift]

I just bought my 07 4Runner in December, used Certified w/ warranty, 35k on the odometer. I'm not going to bore you with details, but some of the other cars I've driven have had many issues, and two of them were Mercedes models. I'll grant that none of these problems are unintended acceleration.

Every car has a problem. So far with my Yota, I've noticed there are some gaps in the timing of my command versus its response. I've also noticed the thing will go about 10MPH without me ever pressing the accelerator.

Here's my thing: I'm a programmer, and I'm a decent one. That little brain they call an ECU fascinates me. But guys, if it's an ECU problem, then it explains everything, even why they've had so many problems tracking it down. Programmers can spend years finding a simple bug in a program. More than that, if Congress would extend its newfound focus and expertise equally across all car manufacturers, I'll bet they find some major glitches in a lot of other brands. No code is perfect. Every program has bugs.

One of the best examples of this I can give is the on-board computer of an F-16, appropriately and pseudo-affectionately nicknamed HAL by pilots I've talked to. The plane needs a computer to constantly adjust to the pilot's commands, but there is rare occasion where the pilot and the computer disagree...literally, the pilot attempts to do something and the computer decides it's not a good idea and refuses. They're trained to expect it, trained to turn the computer off in an emergency like that, but then the computer reacts by attempting to kill the pilot and crash the plane. Again, they're trained to deal with it. This is a heavily tested, extremely expensive, military-grade ECU...that STILL has bugs.

I could go on about this. All I have left to say is I know how to drive standard, know where Neutral and the E-Brake are, keep obstructions away from my feet and always have an emergency plan. It's a good idea in any car, not just an allegedly unsafe Toyota, because you never really know what a car's weakness is.

 

[SkylineGTRracer]

I just bought my 07 4Runner in December, used Certified w/ warranty, 35k on the odometer. I'm not going to bore you with details, but some of the other cars I've driven have had many issues, and two of them were Mercedes models. I'll grant that none of these problems are unintended acceleration.

Every car has a problem. So far with my Yota, I've noticed there are some gaps in the timing of my command versus its response. I've also noticed the thing will go about 10MPH without me ever pressing the accelerator.

Here's my thing: I'm a programmer, and I'm a decent one. That little brain they call an ECU fascinates me. But guys, if it's an ECU problem, then it explains everything, even why they've had so many problems tracking it down. Programmers can spend years finding a simple bug in a program. More than that, if Congress would extend its newfound focus and expertise equally across all car manufacturers, I'll bet they find some major glitches in a lot of other brands. No code is perfect. Every program has bugs.

One of the best examples of this I can give is the on-board computer of an F-16, appropriately and pseudo-affectionately nicknamed HAL by pilots I've talked to. The plane needs a computer to constantly adjust to the pilot's commands, but there is rare occasion where the pilot and the computer disagree...literally, the pilot attempts to do something and the computer decides it's not a good idea and refuses. They're trained to expect it, trained to turn the computer off in an emergency like that, but then the computer reacts by attempting to kill the pilot and crash the plane. Again, they're trained to deal with it. This is a heavily tested, extremely expensive, military-grade ECU...that STILL has bugs.

I could go on about this. All I have left to say is I know how to drive standard, know where Neutral and the E-Brake are, keep obstructions away from my feet and always have an emergency plan. It's a good idea in any car, not just an allegedly unsafe Toyota, because you never really know what a car's weakness is.

Thats true and even more so now that more and more tech is being crammed into cars and trucks. I'm an engineering student and in my book has a good saying "the more moving objects in both mechanical and and more electrical systems the more chances for failure of a component." this is regardless of manufacturer. But the thing is not that every manufacture has had recalls but their focusing on Toyota more because of the way Toyota has handled the situation. This Toyota thing reminds me of Lancia and how they did so well in Rallying but because they had lots of their cars rusting that they had a PR nightmare in the UK and basically pulled out. Also look at Ford with the 6.0L PSD and Dodge for their wheels falling off Durangos. Hyundai had a stop sale today over door locks.

 

[peter78]

Well, it may be geting old, but it made the headlines in today's paper. "Toyota: Pedal issue not fully resolved".

Here is today's catoon from the Atlanta paper. So, I guess it is not going away quite yet.

 

[boston_kevin]

I think the bigger issue now for Toyota is the fact they knew there was a problem for a number of years but have worked diligently with the DOT to convince them the issue was isolated instead of actually trying to identify and fix the issue. A number of deaths have been reported and at least one person was sent to jail because their toyota accelerated without user input and killed another person. Now Toyota execs, if found guilty in the congressional hearings, will most likely face a number of charges. Unfortunately, this speaks very poorly of a company that had a stellar record for so long. Guess profiteering doesn't really pay off. The only vehicles I know so far not involved are all the more hard-core vehicles (4Runner, Land Cruiser, and FJ). I think, more than anything else, beyond the recalls (which all manufacturers have) is that Toyota has broken a long-term trust with their consumers, and the fact that this now extends beyond certain models of certain model years. Aside from the brakes failing early on my 4Runner, I still like my vehicle, but I am not so sure I will be recommending Toyota for a while.