Does anybody know anything about these? I saw one last night and the only thing I noticed is that it was really good looking. I saw the website but havent really seen any 'real person' information. No - Im not tempted to trade my 06 T4R for Gm quality, it just kind of shocked me when I saw it.
Saturn Outlook
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Thai
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Saturn is making a big turn-around these days. All their new cars are meant to be more upper class than before. Not sure about the mechanicals, but i like the Saturn Sky Redline design along with their new midsize sedan (Aura). No more NASA plastic panels...real steel now. GM is also stepping it up with interior design too. Good for them...they need to get back on the road.
Here is a full review of the Outlook: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=118803
Vehicle Tested:
2007 Saturn Outlook XR 4dr SUV (3.6L 6cyl 6A)
MSRP of Test Vehicle: $34,799
What Works:
Supple ride and steering; interior size and configurability; attractive styling inside and out.
What Needs Work:
A couple interior design details lack the thoughtfulness displayed in the rest of the vehicle.
Bottom Line:
As a seven-to-eight-passenger people mover with rugged good looks and continental cargo capability, the Outlook is a success. It just might be the next big thing.
Here is a full review of the Outlook: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=118803
Vehicle Tested:
2007 Saturn Outlook XR 4dr SUV (3.6L 6cyl 6A)
MSRP of Test Vehicle: $34,799
What Works:
Supple ride and steering; interior size and configurability; attractive styling inside and out.
What Needs Work:
A couple interior design details lack the thoughtfulness displayed in the rest of the vehicle.
Bottom Line:
As a seven-to-eight-passenger people mover with rugged good looks and continental cargo capability, the Outlook is a success. It just might be the next big thing.
Gromulus
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GM Clones
Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky - nice looking cars but I'll take a Mazda MX5 (Miata) any day over those twins.
The Mazda is a better execution of a small convertible sports car. The Miata is a better driver's car that hugs the road better and has a more comfortable and higher quality interior. In this case, beauty is only skip deep. In typical GM fashion, the driver must get out of the car to close the tops on the Solstice/Sky - duh! In the Miata it's a one-handed operation that takes all of three seconds. The boot lid clasp on the GM twins is also very flimsy. Add the new power retractable hardtop option on the Mazda and it's superior reliability and it's a no-brainer.
Edmunds's staff lost their interest in the Solstice during their long-term test:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=108642#Summing
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/category/cat.2006PontiacSolstice
The Saturn Outlook may be a different story for GM. This is a twin of the new GMC Acadia and (soon to be released) Buick Enclave. I am not crazy about the Buick's exterior but the GMC and Saturn are attractive. They are built on GM's new "lambda" platform. These crossovers offer minivan space and utility in a nice "SUV type" package. More interior room than a Tahoe with much better gas mileage for those who do not need the towing capability of the truck based GM SUVs.
Let's hope thse models start a turnaround for GM.
Thai said:
Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky - nice looking cars but I'll take a Mazda MX5 (Miata) any day over those twins.
The Mazda is a better execution of a small convertible sports car. The Miata is a better driver's car that hugs the road better and has a more comfortable and higher quality interior. In this case, beauty is only skip deep. In typical GM fashion, the driver must get out of the car to close the tops on the Solstice/Sky - duh! In the Miata it's a one-handed operation that takes all of three seconds. The boot lid clasp on the GM twins is also very flimsy. Add the new power retractable hardtop option on the Mazda and it's superior reliability and it's a no-brainer.
Edmunds's staff lost their interest in the Solstice during their long-term test:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=108642#Summing
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/category/cat.2006PontiacSolstice
The Saturn Outlook may be a different story for GM. This is a twin of the new GMC Acadia and (soon to be released) Buick Enclave. I am not crazy about the Buick's exterior but the GMC and Saturn are attractive. They are built on GM's new "lambda" platform. These crossovers offer minivan space and utility in a nice "SUV type" package. More interior room than a Tahoe with much better gas mileage for those who do not need the towing capability of the truck based GM SUVs.
Let's hope thse models start a turnaround for GM.
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I went and looked at one yesterday
I decided to stop at the dealer for a few minutes and look. Overall it seemed very nice but there were some things I didn't like. I'm sure generally thinking it would have been much better if it was a Toyota.
Inside was nice and well appointed. Center console was a bit strange. Pretty exterior. I didn't like the veiw from the drivers seat. The hood kind of 'humped up' in the middel and would really make parking it difficult becasue you cant tell where the front of the car is. No much room in the third row, but unless a Suburban or a minivan, pretty typical.
There were 2 rather shocking things abaout it. First the price - $38k - loaded but no sunroof. I'm sure they will be (have to) heavily discounting to sell. The other thing was the drivetrain. It operates in front wheel drive unless rears 'need' power. This just seems backwards to me. I would not want it.
Overall - I was happy to get back into my T4R. I was trying to explain my feeling aobut the T4R to a friend the other day. I told him I cant really explain it - but there is just something aobut it that makes it damn near perfect. It isn't the grreatest looking or the fastest or the one with the best mileage or the quietest or anything else - but it is damn near perfect. Y'all understand - don't you?
I decided to stop at the dealer for a few minutes and look. Overall it seemed very nice but there were some things I didn't like. I'm sure generally thinking it would have been much better if it was a Toyota.
Inside was nice and well appointed. Center console was a bit strange. Pretty exterior. I didn't like the veiw from the drivers seat. The hood kind of 'humped up' in the middel and would really make parking it difficult becasue you cant tell where the front of the car is. No much room in the third row, but unless a Suburban or a minivan, pretty typical.
There were 2 rather shocking things abaout it. First the price - $38k - loaded but no sunroof. I'm sure they will be (have to) heavily discounting to sell. The other thing was the drivetrain. It operates in front wheel drive unless rears 'need' power. This just seems backwards to me. I would not want it.
Overall - I was happy to get back into my T4R. I was trying to explain my feeling aobut the T4R to a friend the other day. I told him I cant really explain it - but there is just something aobut it that makes it damn near perfect. It isn't the grreatest looking or the fastest or the one with the best mileage or the quietest or anything else - but it is damn near perfect. Y'all understand - don't you?
Thai
Elite Member
Re: I went and looked at one yesterday
This is the norm among AWD minivans/SUVs that is basically front wheeldrive design. For example, Acura SUVs do this too. The reason for this is to distribute power for more traction, which is obvious. But, the additional benefit is that it decreases torque steer on these high powered V6 SUVs.
sbbamafan said:
This is the norm among AWD minivans/SUVs that is basically front wheeldrive design. For example, Acura SUVs do this too. The reason for this is to distribute power for more traction, which is obvious. But, the additional benefit is that it decreases torque steer on these high powered V6 SUVs.
