Snow and Revos???

[Fourty-four]

Okay, I realize it's almost July, but with all the hoopla I've heard about how great the Revos are, I was wondering if they are really better than other tires in SNOW.

I noticed that the TA/KO has the snowflake/mountain symbol, and so does the new Fortera Silent Armor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that the tire has been proven to work well in snow? If the Revo is as good as everyone says it is, then why doesn't it also have the snowflake/mountain symbol?

I'm starting to wonder if the Revos are any better than the average SUV tire in the snow, and if everything I hear is really just a bunch of hype!!

I really want to do some research to determine the best tires for me. I don't want to switch tires in the winter and summer, I'd much rather have one set of tires that do everything well. My driving is about 90% on-road and 10% off-road, with plenty of snow driving in the winter, so snow traction is very important to me.

So do the Revos truly live up to the hype?

 

[Toyboomer]

Revos

I just purchased a set of Revos for 06 4R (to replace the poorly rated Dunlop AT20) that I will be using in the CO high country and have the same concerns. I mainly based my decision on the Tire Rack ratings of snow performance and user comments for a year round tire. I guess I'll find out this fall and winter. Like you, didn't want to have two sets of tires for summer/winter. Have done that and it gets expensive. Perhaps someone already has winter experience on the Revos and can comment.

 

[Border411]

DO NOT FEAR! These freakin tires rock in the snow! I am a police officer, and I have to be in to work when I am assigned/called in. I cant "take liberal leave" as I am what they call 'Essential Personel'. This past winter there was a real bad ice/snow storm that hit us with about 13 inches. Now, I grew up in Albany, NY (upstate cow country) and when I tell you this storm sucked...believe me! Anyways, this tire was amazing. I blew threw the snow, on some roads that where never even plowed. I was able to stat in control with no problem. The tires where EXTREMELY predictable as to how they would react, and I could still play (aka-get the whole rig sliding sideways) in a very controlled maner. I love these tires, and are extremely impressed with them. Do not worry, this will get you threw it, especially with the 4wd, traction control, and DAC. I was even pulling other SUV's out of ditches (wish I had the camera for the Exporer and Grand Cherokee I pulled out!)

Remember, stay in control, dont slam on the brakes or gas, and leave enough travel time to get there in time! Slow and steady wins the race, especially in the snow!

 

[Fourty-four]

Shaun,

Trust me when I say I believe you, but let me play devil's advocate for a moment:

I have the stock Dunlops on my 4Runner and I had no problems at all driving thru the 15" snow storm that we had in upstate NY this past winter. I even stopped in the middle of a snow drift that was considerably higher than 15", and had no problems powering right out.

However, this was on level (or nearly level land). If I tried to climb a fairly steep hill in that snow storm, the only was I could make it is to keep my momentum as steady as possible. If I slowed too much or stopped, I was finished. I wonder how much better the Revos would have helped me in a situation like that?

I wish I could find some kind of hands-on snow traction test between the Revos and other SUV/truck tires.

 

[Koz]

Who told you they were good in snow? They are great in the snow and even better on wet surfaces, with absolutely no hydroplaning. Not to worry!

Koz

 

[Border411]

Shaun,

Trust me when I say I believe you, but let me play devil's advocate for a moment:

I have the stock Dunlops on my 4Runner and I had no problems at all driving thru the 15" snow storm that we had in upstate NY this past winter. I even stopped in the middle of a snow drift that was considerably higher than 15", and had no problems powering right out.

However, this was on level (or nearly level land). If I tried to climb a fairly steep hill in that snow storm, the only was I could make it is to keep my momentum as steady as possible. If I slowed too much or stopped, I was finished. I wonder how much better the Revos would have helped me in a situation like that?

I wish I could find some kind of hands-on snow traction test between the Revos and other SUV/truck tires.

I can only state what I know. I was going UP AND DOWN on some crazy hills (anyone who knows where the Arlington County Courthouse is can attest to the hills around there!). The tires were awesome.....'nuf said.

 

[jbrhymer]

I do a lot of snow boarding and driving in the winter storms and snow up in the tahoe area. I dont drive agressive in bad weather, I want to live and I bet my wife and dogs do too. The dunlops always felt like they were fighting to keep traction and would slip from time to time, even at 25 mph or less. To be fair, there is a lot of ice and packed snow on the road. I switched them out around 10K for the revos (stock size) and have been very happy with their performance. I have yet to have the revos slip or break free on me (unless I was trying). I am by no means a tire expert, but in my experience the revos are a great tire and much greater than the stock dunlops.

 

[Falls]

I like the ride of the Revo , wet driving , and snow handling although to close to call compared to the BFG AT in snow.

Even in deep wet rain & snow I just haul ass and never had a problem with hydo or anyhting else

I would by them again , maybe look into the "E" rated tire , because Koz said the have deeper tread than "P" rated ,but I think the are a little narrower , not nsure though.

I think most here have the "P" rated tire

These tire's really make the 4R shine in severe condition's over the stock Donlops.

If your in hairy terrain quite often , I would say to go with BFG AT's.

 

[Bluto]

Does anyone know the criteria or organization behind the snowflake rating?

Did a little searching....

"the snowflake-on-the-mountain symbol, indicating this tire meets severe snow service requirements established by the U.S. Rubber Manufacturers Association (RMA) and the Rubber Association of Canada (RAC)."


"Tires designed for use in severe snow conditions generally have tread patterns, structure and materials to give superior performance. These tires are marked with the "M+S" designation plus a mountain/snowflake symbol."

 

[Fourty-four]

Does anyone know the criteria or organization behind the snowflake rating?

Did a little searching....

"the snowflake-on-the-mountain symbol, indicating this tire meets severe snow service requirements established by the U.S. Rubber Manufacturers Association (RMA) and the Rubber Association of Canada (RAC)."


"Tires designed for use in severe snow conditions generally have tread patterns, structure and materials to give superior performance. These tires are marked with the "M+S" designation plus a mountain/snowflake symbol."

Right. And that's what leads me to question why the Revos don't have the symbol if they are so good in the snow. If I'm not mistaken, the BFG AT/KO does have the mountain/snowflake symbol.

What gives with the Revo?

 

[Falls]

This is my first set of Revo's , although they do handle well in normal snow condition's , in a snow storm , heavy wet or even light fluffy but deep snow or offroading in deep snow I prefer the BFG.

Ive had about 10 set's of BFG's and If I would get an offer for my Revo's I will sell them. Alot of guy's at work are running 265/70/17 on the f150's so If I get an inquiry I'll go for it.

The thing I like most about the Revo is the smooth ride and wet road handling , I'm sure because they are "P" rated instead of "C" rated or higher. The Revo will get a little better gas milage I would think too. I consider them a aggressive all season tire. I still must say light years better than stock Donlops, it's all what you like I guess. I would still recommend them anyone depending on their usage. It's a great on road AT tire that can handle some light dirt trail's. It also was written up this way in one of the 4wd magazines a few months back too.

 

[Bluto]

http://www.tirerack.com/winter/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=125

In 1999, The U.S. Rubber Manufacturers Association (RMA) and the Rubber Association of Canada (RAC) agreed on a performance based standard to identify passenger and light truck tires that attain a traction index equal to, or greater than 110 (compared to a reference tire which is rated 100) during the specified American Society for Testing and Materials traction tests on packed snow. The new standard helps ensure that drivers can easily identify tires that provide a higher level of snow traction.

So at least 10% more traction than a reference tire?



http://www.accidentreconstruction.com/news/jan00/012800b.html

The new standard requires that candidate tires be physically tested in snow conditions against an all-season control tire to determine their snow-traction performance. The test procedure involves spinning the tire in the snow under certain precise conditions, and measuring the tire's performance, Mr. Hochschwender explained. ``Tires that pass the new standard test requirements can then be designated for use under severe snow conditions.''


http://www.dunloptires.com/care/tech.html

North American tire manufacturers and the RMA have established a voluntary, industry-wide definition for passenger and light truck tires intended for use in SEVERE SNOW CONDITIONS. Tires must meet a performance-based criteria featuring tread pattern, construction elements and materials which generally provide snow performance superior to that of tires bearing the RMA current M&S Rating. Such tires will display a mountain/snowflake symbol.

A test facility...

http://www.natc-ht.com/Winter_Testing.htm


So the Revos could fail to obtain a snowflake based on traction, tread pattern, construction elements, or materials. None of the Blizzark series have the Dual-Layer tread.

I bet two different compounds in extreme cold is a not allowed by the RMA.

 

[jacal]

Personal opinion: I think the revos are a good tire for winter, but there are better tires out there, and I think the price for Revos (in Canada anyway) is outrageous.

I had a chance to test new stock sized revos back to back to upsized vatiivas. There was a difference...I could get further through the same snow covered parking lot. I also found more grip on ice. Since this is the only back-to-back test with the same vehicle and nearly identical conditions, it is all I have to offer.

CR suggests snow traction and ice braking are good and fair respectively.

BUT they do appear to be a great all-arounder, they have a great "look" to them, and I'm sure after the firestone-ford issue this company is going to 'tread' very carefully and do their utmost to only produce absolutely top notch tires.



J

 

[Fourty-four]

I had a chance to test new stock sized revos back to back to upsized vatiivas. There was a difference...I could get further through the same snow covered parking lot. I also found more grip on ice. Since this is the only back-to-back test with the same vehicle and nearly identical conditions, it is all I have to offer.

You could get further through the same snow with which tires? You weren't clear about which tire you were talking about.

 

[jacal]

You could get further through the same snow with which tires? You weren't clear about which tire you were talking about.

The vatiivas had the advantage. Sorry I wasn't clear. There was a difference of a few days, but the weather conditions were pretty much unchanged.


J