So the 4runner fails headlight tests with a "poor" rating
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e60ral
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I had them installed then removed them to clean up wiring when I swapped batteries, I noticed no difference
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zonzin
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No relays for me on my XD install. I am super happy with the results. Make sure to check / adjust aim after install. Pics... https://goo.gl/photos/L8x6PhkDCTtVywKc8
zonzin
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Got an answer from XD:
"Thanks our or contacting us.
The relay harness is completely optional for your 4Runner with the Xtreme HID kit since the Xtreme ballast is a low draw 4.5a on start up.
Hope that helps,"
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1000MPH
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I very much like the lights on my 4R and I do a ton of desert, mountain, and backroad night driving. I had to lower my lowbeams when I first got the truck after I got a few flashes.
I did order the H11 Xtreme visions for my 2010 on Amazon for $25/pr. Unfortunately, they've been back-ordered for a month. Still thought it was worth the $ to give them a tryout.
burns out almost every year bruh... ive done that conversion for a couple years and decided it wasnt worth it
FlannelShanel
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So based on the posts I've read, I think I'm going to order the XenonDepot H11 HID Conversion Kit (4300K Phillips Bulb). My question then stands at do I want to get the CANbus or not? And what is the difference between them? I've got a 2015 Trail that's completely stock at the moment.
The other option I've looked at (saves $$) is the HID Extra kit. I'd love suggestions/experience for either!
Edit: I'm also going to be running them without the relay as it isn't necessary for my T4R, unless someone corrects me otherwise.
The other option I've looked at (saves $$) is the HID Extra kit. I'd love suggestions/experience for either!
Edit: I'm also going to be running them without the relay as it isn't necessary for my T4R, unless someone corrects me otherwise.
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e60ral
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no canbus on low beams, you won't need the relay with the 35w kit
canbus is basically a network the various controllers use to communicate, your high beam is using that to control high beam and drl instead of a traditional relay setup
I very much like the lights on my 4R and I do a ton of desert, mountain, and backroad night driving. I had to lower my lowbeams when I first got the truck after I got a few flashes.
I did order the H11 Xtreme visions for my 2010 on Amazon for $25/pr. Unfortunately, they've been back-ordered for a month. Still thought it was worth the $ to give them a tryout.
for that kind of money id recommend LED h11s. The xtreme vision bulbs have a very short life at 300 hours.
RetroRod
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I ordered these "XenonDepot H11 HID Conversion Kit (4300K Phillips Bulb)" as well and they are fantastic. This is the route to go! And yes no relay to add, enjoy the new setup!
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Toffees
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Yeah, the obsession with high-intensity lights dumbfounds me. Of course everyone wants more light traveling alone on an unlit highway at night, but in those cases you can actually use the high beams. But in normal driving, I don't see the appeal. I drive with my interior lights down anyway; probably a good habit learned from other activities.
At any rate, not like most people probably read the report but the data doesn't differentiate* (i.e., it's useless). I'll highlight three interesting paragraphs.
So it's not necessarily a lumens issue, it's just how you use it? I've heard that one before.
*Ok, I see there are results for 4R vs Rav4; interesting ratings, would like to see all of that tabled; 4R gets a "some glare" rating as well
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Toffees
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Yes, the irony/simplicity of it is that our eyes work better in the dark with less light. Not sure HIDs do much to help, and anyone "upgrading" their interior/dome lights might be making their situation even worse.
FlannelShanel
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Sounds great! I'll be placing the order this afternoon, can't wait for delivery. Thanks for the help!
Runer4Life
Member
I also installed an H11 Xtreme HID 5000K Digital Conversion Kit. It's the best upgrade IMO and no, I do not get the high beams thrown at me from oncoming traffic.
e60ral
Banned
upgrading interior lights is dumb, its already too bright inside as it is from the factory (they should have kept the orange lights), but HID's in the projectors aren't over flooding the foreground like a light bar would, they are putting light downrange.
e60ral
Banned
there are plenty of times on unlit interstates or highways where there is too much traffic to consistently use the high beams, but the rate of travel is too high for the factory low beams because they suck so hard
ForeRunnerSi
New member
I really don't think they are that bad. I'm coming from a Subaru BRZ with HID's. Would they be better? Of course. But its not bad enought to me to just spending a decent sum of money on a proper retrofit. I've been down the HID in reflector housing road before, but I'd rather have people driving towards me be able to see.
BlackWorksInc
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This is exactly the reason why I don't see the point of most people's obsession with HIDs or super bright lights.
Except they are, they're pushing too much bright light in a very concentrated area. Every picture I see of "before/after" with HIDs the background becomes almost pitch black outside of the light's path. While some of that is because of how the camera captures light/images, the same still holds true in the real world. I've seen plenty of HIDs where they light up the front of the vehicle but above the cut-off is just pitch black and to the sides of the vehicle where light doesn't reach it's pitch black. You would easily miss a deer or object moving across the road because the light overpowers your eyes ability to adjust the stark contrast.
One thing about high-beams that most people don't realize is that they're not exactly brighter, but rather they aren't as restricted. If you ever notice the light spread between Low & High, you'll see that the High Beams just light everything up, while Low are regulated to avoid glare and such.
Additionally in regards to the "Fails Headlight Test" their testing methodology isn't very clear. It seems as though they're attributing scores to "glare" and "ability for the lights to curve", ect. So at a certain point, is the 4Runner losing because it's not burdened with fancy bullshit or because it's light output and pattern is genuinely not that good?
The projectors I run in my 4th gen with the Sylvania "ZXE" bulbs do a pretty damn good job lighting up the road and not causing the background to not be visible.
Post Note-
The main thing about LEDs I have heard so far is that they are too focused and trying to get them to spread/scatter the light better has been challenging for an OEM Headlamp solution. I have a cheapo adjustable focus flashlight that you can adjust the lens on to a point where I can see the actual LED on a wall. Like I can see the LED die shape projected on the wall down to perfect angles and the small voids inbetween the LED chip itself; I guess LEDs are more laser-like with light emission vs. a more scattered wave that a bulb produces?
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