Sold my 5th Gen and purchased another 4th Gen

Being in the Atlanta area myself, could you tell me how many miles and what your out the door price was? i've been considering dropping my 2wd sr5 for something with 4x4.

My experience FWIW...as noted in my previous post, searched in metro ATL for a year, no luck. Found ours, an '07 Sport with 96K miles, in Nov 2014 at a dealership in Greenville, SC. It was listed at $19,700; we ended up getting it from Nalley Toyota in Roswell for 1K less because the Greenville dealer is affiliated with Nalley here. Nalley even transported it down here for us and was up front and fair about a problem that came up (explained below).

When we went to Nalley to pick it up, I asked the sales guy there why it's so hard to find 4WD 'Runners in Atlanta. He said, "This here that you're buying? When we get one like this, people driving by stop and buy them before we can even take the pictures to post online. We literally can't keep them on the lot." So we paid a bit more than what market would be in a lot of places, but it was actually a great deal IMO for this area, especially since the truck was absolutely cherry, shockingly so for 7 years of age and 96K miles.

So the bottom line takeaway is to broaden your search considerably and hope to find a dealer who's willing to work with you before you take the long drive to check it out in person, like the one the OP bought from.

Also, a general word of advice to everyone buying these days...check these vehicles very, very closely, especially if buying privately (dealers have more to lose). There's been flooding all over the country for months and we'd probably all be shocked if we knew how many of those water-damaged vehicles find their way into the used car pipeline. There are hints online on how to find hidden signs of flood damage.

Never a bad idea to have your mechanic check it over as well, and a responsible dealer will have no problem making the deal contingent on a satisfactory inspection. We figured out that the 4WD actuator was bad (thanks in part to this forum btw) and to their credit, Nalley fixed it even though the SC dealer should have found it when they took the trade. The Nalley guy said, "That fix is so expensive that we usually just send them to auction if those 4WD lights are flashing."

Their cost was $1,300 (it's $2000+ retail). We agreed to pay 1/3 of that, which we felt was fair. They gave us a good price on the truck before the issue was known and the sales manager said, "I understand if you don't want to pay any of it and we'll void the deal if that's the case, no problem. I can fix it knowing this truck will sell the next day for enough to cover the repair." He wasn't being a d**k, just being candid with us, which we appreciated, and we knew he was right.
 
The 4R will never be offered with a V8 again. Therefore, I will drive the current one until I can't anymore. At that point, I'll buy a land cruiser.

The V6 5th gen is a fat pig and the drivetrain is not as robust.
 
The 4R will never be offered with a V8 again. Therefore, I will drive the current one until I can't anymore. At that point, I'll buy a land cruiser.

The V6 5th gen is a fat pig and the drivetrain is not as robust.


Im totally with you on the never be another V8..that drove my decision! Cars are changing so fast, the feel we are all accustomed to is almost gone.

Through the years and years of programming the masses are starting to believe that gasoline is bad, and we all need something that costs 2x and gets 20% better mileage...However I doubt the 5th gen is actually less robust but certain it transmits a totally different feel, the power numbers on the V6 are good, it is just not at a comfortable RPM, and not very "truck" like, and all the alloys replacing steel make a difference but its all mandated by upcoming CAFE standards. Steel and torque are being replaced by RPMs and lighter weight....and if your into Fords heaven forbid a turbo!
 
The 4R will never be offered with a V8 again. Therefore, I will drive the current one until I can't anymore. At that point, I'll buy a land cruiser.

The V6 5th gen is a fat pig and the drivetrain is not as robust.



Not as robust as what?
 
After owning three 4th Gens I had been eyeing the 5th Gens ever since they updated the looks in 2014. Earlier this year I decided it was time to trade my '07 SR5 and move up to a 2016 so I pulled the trigger. Within a few weeks of owning the 2016 I was really missing my '07 and regretted selling it. Don't get me wrong, the 2016 is a great vehicle but I didn't feel like it was much of an upgrade from my '07. It felt slower, bigger, didn't feel the handling was as good, and overall did not feel it was worth the price I paid. Fast forward several months later and I decided to shop around for another 4th Gen. After weeks of searching and coming up with nothing I gave up and decided to buy 'something practical' for my daily commute and ended up buying a Honda Accord Sport.

A week into driving the Accord and all of the sudden I was experiencing severe back pain. Two months of dealing with the pain was all I could tolerate so I made the decision to start my search again for another 4th Gen.

Finding a decent 4th Gen has become nearly impossible in my area. I searched across Autotrader, Craigslist, and Carmax. Here is what I found:

- Craigslist: Typical people who don't respond to emails or calls and many that are simply too good to be true

- Carmax: 4th Gens on their lot are usually priced much higher than other sellers. If you do see one with low miles it will disappear within a day or two.

- Autotrader: This proved to be the best tool because it provided me with the best way to search across actual dealerships

The majority of 4th Gens around here are found on wholesale lots. Many of these are completely rusted out (from the NE region) or you could tell they had been in some sort of wreck even though the Carfax is 'clean'. While searching Autotrader a little over a week ago I came across a new listing at a Toyota dealership 60 miles away. I went to look at it the next day and then put a deposit down the following day. So now I have a 2007 Limited which has been very well cared for. One owner, never been wrecked, and the interior is probably a 8 or 9 out of 10 considering its age. What made me feel better about the purchase was the fact that the dealership put over $1,300 in maintenance into it prior to sale and put new tires on it. It feels great to be back in a 4th Gen. The only complaint I have is lack of headroom with the sunroof. I knew this was an issue but made the purchase anyway. If I turn certain ways my hair will brush against the edge of the headliner but it isn't an issue while driving. I can't wait to use a good cleaner wax to restore the single-stage white paint.

Here is a picture from the dealership listing:

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I'm 6'4" and the issue is with the edge of the headliner that surrounds the sunroof opening. It's definitely a tight fit for somebody my height but I can make it work.

I'm 6'3" and I like to sit ramrod straight up. My seat is all the way back all the way down and the seat back all the way forward. In the morning when I'm still elongated from sleep my head hits the ceiling but in the afternoon when I'm a bit more compressed just my hair rubs.
 
The 4R will never be offered with a V8 again. Therefore, I will drive the current one until I can't anymore. At that point, I'll buy a land cruiser.

That's a great strategy. Love my 2003 V8, plastic cladding and all. So I'm not going to "downgrade" to a 5th Gen either. Maybe in another 140K miles I'll start thinking about that Land Cruiser ...
 
I agree with those who do not see the 5th gen as much of an advancement over the 4th gen...because, really, it isn't. I have owned a '99 SR5 Sport and a 2006 SR5, and I've driven multiple 5th gens on and off as corporate leases, but never owned one. Currently thinking about a 2017 Highlander because the 5th gen is so archaic at this point.

For someone who has been a longtime 4Runner owner, I think it's pretty clear that the major changes to the 5th generation are primarily aesthetic... there is little in the way of true "advancement." New sheetmetal, different interior, some small additional creature comforts, etc. The core of the truck hasn't changed much since 2005, right down to the powertrain: 4.0L V6 and 5AT. Yes, they wrangled a few more ponies for 2010+ but they also gained 300+ lbs at the redesign.

The biggest deal killer for me with the 5th gen has been how they changed the driving dynamics. My 3rd and 4th gens both drove stiff but smooth, and were still relatively "tight" on the road. The 5th gen drives like a small Land Cruiser for better or worse - it's floaty, disconnected, extremely slow to react and feels very cumbersome.

The slightly larger interior of the 5th gen is a nice change from the 4th gen, but again, these are primarily design/aesthetic changes.

If the 5th gen offered "more" in terms of powertrain updates (a 6+ speed automatic, for starters) and had the same 4Runner driving manners that I loved in my 3rd and 4th gens, I'd own one already. However, I'm not dishing out my money for a vehicle that is mechanically very similar to the 2006 that I loved, but not as good to drive.

I know it sounds like anarchy on this forum, but most of my off roading is modest trails and unpaved areas to get to fishing spots... stuff I'm sure the Highlander could handle. At this point, I just don't see any reason to buy a 5th gen, I miss my 4th gen, and I'd like more horsepower, a better transmission and those sportier driving dynamics.

Congrats on your 4th gen - they're the best 4Runners to date, IMO.
 
I was just recently looking at 2014-2016 5th gens... talked myself out of it and I'm hanging on to my 4th gen for a while longer. Glad I saw this thread, and glad that you are back on the 4th gen side :cheers:
 
My experience FWIW...as noted in my previous post, searched in metro ATL for a year, no luck. Found ours, an '07 Sport with 96K miles, in Nov 2014 at a dealership in Greenville, SC. It was listed at $19,700; we ended up getting it from Nalley Toyota in Roswell for 1K less because the Greenville dealer is affiliated with Nalley here. Nalley even transported it down here for us and was up front and fair about a problem that came up (explained below).

When we went to Nalley to pick it up, I asked the sales guy there why it's so hard to find 4WD 'Runners in Atlanta. He said, "This here that you're buying? When we get one like this, people driving by stop and buy them before we can even take the pictures to post online. We literally can't keep them on the lot." So we paid a bit more than what market would be in a lot of places, but it was actually a great deal IMO for this area, especially since the truck was absolutely cherry, shockingly so for 7 years of age and 96K miles.

So the bottom line takeaway is to broaden your search considerably and hope to find a dealer who's willing to work with you before you take the long drive to check it out in person, like the one the OP bought from.

Also, a general word of advice to everyone buying these days...check these vehicles very, very closely, especially if buying privately (dealers have more to lose). There's been flooding all over the country for months and we'd probably all be shocked if we knew how many of those water-damaged vehicles find their way into the used car pipeline. There are hints online on how to find hidden signs of flood damage.

Never a bad idea to have your mechanic check it over as well, and a responsible dealer will have no problem making the deal contingent on a satisfactory inspection. We figured out that the 4WD actuator was bad (thanks in part to this forum btw) and to their credit, Nalley fixed it even though the SC dealer should have found it when they took the trade. The Nalley guy said, "That fix is so expensive that we usually just send them to auction if those 4WD lights are flashing."

Their cost was $1,300 (it's $2000+ retail). We agreed to pay 1/3 of that, which we felt was fair. They gave us a good price on the truck before the issue was known and the sales manager said, "I understand if you don't want to pay any of it and we'll void the deal if that's the case, no problem. I can fix it knowing this truck will sell the next day for enough to cover the repair." He wasn't being a d**k, just being candid with us, which we appreciated, and we knew he was right.

All very good advice you've provided. The issue with finding a 4WD in the Atlanta area these days is they were likely purchased at auction out of state and many of them are coming from states where rust is an issue. There weren't many 4WD 4th Gens sold new to begin with in our region so they are harder to find. Another tip for people who don't already know is to create an account at Toyota Owners Official Web Site and plugin the VIN to pull up any service records done at dealerships. You won't get many details on the service performed but it does provide some info which helps determine what has or hasn't been done at a dealership service department.

The 4th Gen I just purchased was originally purchased new in Athens, GA and lived its entire life in GA according to Carfax and the undercarriage condition supports this claim. After the Toyota dealership took my 4th Gen in on trade they did the following:

-Replaced tailgate handle (melted rubber common in 2007)
-Replaced spark plugs
-Replaced 'drive belt' (not sure what this means)
-Replaced differential fluid
-Replaced front brake pads and resurfaced rotors
-Replaced air filters and wiper blades
-Changed Oil
-Replaced tires

There is one small dealership near me that always seems to have a few 4th Gens on their lot: Hilson Luxury Motors | Pre-owned Dealer | Marietta, Georgia

They get these from various locations across the country. I was planning to look at the white SE they have listed at $17,900 because that's all they had two weeks ago. The reason I didn't was because in the pictures of the front end the two trim pieces under the headlights have gaps that shouldn't be there which doesn't make me comfortable with the purchase.
 
The biggest deal killer for me with the 5th gen has been how they changed the driving dynamics. My 3rd and 4th gens both drove stiff but smooth, and were still relatively "tight" on the road. The 5th gen drives like a small Land Cruiser for better or worse - it's floaty, disconnected, extremely slow to react and feels very cumbersome.

That is pretty much how I felt about the driving dynamics of the 2016. I did like the additional space inside, even more so now that I have a sunroof and very limited head room since I'm 6'4" but that is the only thing I really liked more.
 
When we were shopping for 4th gens (needed a winter vehicle with 3rd row) we kept seeing 4th gens for $21k-$26k 2005+ models. Then someone on FB posted the GX they just got. So we started looking.... 2008-2009 GX loaded with nave and TVs were $15k-$24k. I was shocked. They GX is cheaper than the 4th gen everywhere we looked. Even found a few sub $15k but pretty stripped.

In the end, all GXs are 4wd, V8 leather and pretty much NEVER off roaded.

We traded in our 2014 RX350 on our 09 GX. It was $18,800 before we rolled in our negative equity. I could not touch an 09 4th gen 4wd v8 limited for the same price.

OMG, you are right! I did some checking after reading your post.

I'm in the market for a 4G T4R, and the same year Lexus GX are priced LOWER than the 4R. Crazy! Now I'm thinking if I should get a GX instead of a 4R (though I'm not sure if I can get used to the side swinging rear door)...
 
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Yea no. If you select where your "track record" comes from sure. But new cars have shown to be very reliable.

Looks like you're drinking the coolaid so I won't even try to convince you otherwise. Not going to waste my time on ignorance.
 
Looks like you're drinking the coolaid so I won't even try to convince you otherwise. Not going to waste my time on ignorance.



Hahaha. Ok. I'll say the same thing about you. Soooo. You have more of that kool aid guy and continue to drive your truck that is loaded down with computers and then try to call new computerized cars unreliable [emoji106]
 
Hahaha. Ok. I'll say the same thing about you. Soooo. You have more of that kool aid guy and continue to drive your truck that is loaded down with computers and then try to call new computerized cars unreliable [emoji106]

The 4th gen 4runner has FAR less electronics than any new car. Thanks for the input though.
 
Yea no. If you select where your "track record" comes from sure. But new cars have shown to be very reliable.

He didn't say new cars weren't reliable. He said he'd take an iron block over an aluminum one, and less failure points over more. The V6 and the V8 are both fine engines, let's not argue over who's Toyota is better.
 
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