solid winter tire

bf31415

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Got a 2010 Trail and still got the original tires. There at 45k and due for a new set.

Looking for good set of winter tires. I live along Front Range of Colorado so it could be 60 degrees one day and 2' of snow the next. Do lots of skiing and winter hiking so often on I-70 in the snow or unplowed back roads getting to trail heads. There still 2 months of summer/fall left here so will likely be on some dirt/rock jeep trails getting to some more remote trail heads.

Suggestions?

Thanks
 
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I had the Bridgestone Dueler DMZ-3 on my Toyota-truck. It was a very good and safe winter-tire in my opinion. The material-mixture is very smooth, so I think it's not a tire for mile-eaters.
Now I've mounted the Cooper Discoverer M&S on my truck. What I noticed is, that it get's a bit slippery on wet pavement. I haven't tried it on snow yet.

greetz, O_J
 
not sure if those are available for the 4R.. i'm stuck running this winter with the original, OEM tires, but Blizzaks were freakishly fantastic to me when I drove the 300+ RWHP monstrosity throughout the winter.
 
I run Goodyear Duratracs with studs on a separate set of wheels here in Oregon. Great on the packed icy stuff as well as in the deep stuff up in the Cascade Mountains.
 
You did say winter tires...

If you searched, you'll find that Hakkas and Blizzaks are pretty much the favorites for dedicated winters tires. Blizzaks for me.
 
Friends/relatives of mine are happy with Hakkas and Blizzaks. I used Michelin Alpin for 7 years and completely satisfied with it. I will pick up my next set of winter tires this coming weekend, this time it's Nokian Hakka R SUV.

As Philsey mentioned, both hakkas and blizzaks are well regarded dedicated winter tires...
 
I live in the mountains up the Interstate from you and started out with the Duratracs (not studded) and while very happy with them in dry and wet conditions they weren't very good in snow. I should clarify - they were better than the stock tires or a summer tire but for a snowflake rated tire I was unimpressed. I'm sure studded they would be much better but I was past that point and besides, I wanted to keep them for non-winter use.

I installed a set of the Hakkapeliitta LTs (Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT), had them studded and have been incredibly happy with them. In fact they paid for themselves (and likely saved my life) the week after I bought them. I was driving back home up I70 in a snowstorm late one night returning from a business trip. The roads were snow packed and although there was some traffic we were moving around 35-40 miles an hour. I had just passed the Copper Mountain exit, was in the left lane when I looked up and coming around the corner was Dodge 1500 coming right at me in my lane (yep, the wrong way on the Interstate). I was able to make an emergency lane change (ok, swerve) in to the right lane successfully without losing traction or causing another accident. The scary thing was that the next exit was Vail Pass which means the guy had been going the wrong way for almost 10 miles when he passed me.

Anyway, back on topic - the Hakkapeliitta's are great winter tires for our truck. Great in the snow but also tough and durable so if you do end up on dirt roads/off road they will hold up fine. I studded them but if I lived down on the front range I probably wouldn't do that.
 
Living with snow 4 months a year, I've tried the Nokian Hakka and the Michelin X-Ice2 and both are my favorites.


The choice is easy : you want stud, go Nokian otherwise I suggest the Michelin.

Stud will perform better on ice but will be noisier.
 
Why on earth do you need a dedicated winter tire on this vehicle. I also live in the Front Range and commute to Vail for work 5 times a month. I had 0 issues in deep snow with BFG AT's last year. In fact, the truck was unstoppable with them. That includes deep slushy highway, packed snow, deep fresh snow on dirt roads.
 
Why on earth do you need a dedicated winter tire on this vehicle. I also live in the Front Range and commute to Vail for work 5 times a month. I had 0 issues in deep snow with BFG AT's last year. In fact, the truck was unstoppable with them. That includes deep slushy highway, packed snow, deep fresh snow on dirt roads.

Saying the truck was 'unstoppable' with the BFG's is not exactly an endorsement for winter tires.... just saying ... :eek: :)

As for why a dedicated winter tire is necessary, it comes down to numbers... one of them being $ and the rest being other statistics. Everyone has a different point at which the improved performance of one tire makes it worth having...

... for example, the province of Quebec, Canada, has required that all vehicles have dedicated winter tires (in winter), because the statistics are such that, just like seat-belts, they apparently save lives. But still, some people refuse to wear seat belts, and I get the impression that there are people who feel similarly about winter tires. My opinion is that I will use any device I can to give me the most advantage when winter driving, including winter tires, etc.

mib
 
Saying the truck was 'unstoppable' with the BFG's is not exactly an endorsement for winter tires.... just saying ... :eek: :)

As for why a dedicated winter tire is necessary, it comes down to numbers... one of them being $ and the rest being other statistics. Everyone has a different point at which the improved performance of one tire makes it worth having...

... for example, the province of Quebec, Canada, has required that all vehicles have dedicated winter tires (in winter), because the statistics are such that, just like seat-belts, they apparently save lives. But still, some people refuse to wear seat belts, and I get the impression that there are people who feel similarly about winter tires. My opinion is that I will use any device I can to give me the most advantage when winter driving, including winter tires, etc.

mib

I wondered if someone would catch my joke. :)


Here in Denver, we have no need for a dedicated winter tire on a 4 wheel drive truck, at least in my opinion. I mean, I do run blizzaks on my STi, but that's a different machine. I dunno. Just my 2 cents.
 
Yea, I'm not in Denver, I'm up at 8000'. If you think an all season is sufficient, I'm open to suggestions. But after the lame winter we had last year in the front range, seems like we're do to get walloped this year. I work down the hill (Centennial) and it's pretty amazing the weather (snow) differences between down there and the west side of town, and then mt vernon canyon and above.
 
Yea, I'm not in Denver, I'm up at 8000'. If you think an all season is sufficient, I'm open to suggestions. But after the lame winter we had last year in the front range, seems like we're do to get walloped this year. I work down the hill (Centennial) and it's pretty amazing the weather (snow) differences between down there and the west side of town, and then mt vernon canyon and above.

Wrangler DuraTracs have the little snowflake that's supposed to mean it is good in Winter. They're also good off-road.

I'll be trying them out for the first time this winter in Michigan. We get some pretty bad snow storms with lake effect. Read a lot of good reviews on them from other Michiganders. We can't use studs either, so I'm hoping the DuraTrac tread suffices.
 
Yea, I'm not in Denver, I'm up at 8000'. If you think an all season is sufficient, I'm open to suggestions. But after the lame winter we had last year in the front range, seems like we're do to get walloped this year. I work down the hill (Centennial) and it's pretty amazing the weather (snow) differences between down there and the west side of town, and then mt vernon canyon and above.

You apparently missed my first post about commuting to Vail all winter, even though I live in Broomfield. I get micro climates and snow differences. This winter is going to be another La Nina which means NW flow and cold/windy/dry front range cities. Congrats at living at 8k feet. You come across a little pretentious.

BFG AT's are one of the top rated winter/A/S tires, btw.
 
I love my Duratrac tires. I drove up east from Seattle to Snoqualmie Pass in a blizzard and had no issues in 4HI, not one slip or traction control blip.
 
So... if anybody is still checking this thread I thought I'd add my two cents and start contributing to discussions a little more as I mostly just read everyone else's usually pretty sensible information.

I still have the OEM Bridgestone Dueler H/Ts on my '10 SR5 (how sad is that????) and the tread is starting to get rather low. Too low to want to drive around in northern WI with all winter. I've never used winter tires on a 4x4 before, but they improve the handling so much on my wife's car ('05 Scion tC) in winter weather conditions that I decided to give it a go also, even though good A/T tires can perform adequately in most winter driving conditions. I know that most people think along those lines with 4x4s and AWD vehicles, but spinning all four wheels only helps get the vehicle moving - it won't keep you from sliding off the road on an icy corner or keep you from successfully making an emergency stop at an icy intersection when somebody else slides through their red light and into your path. From my experience with winter tires they handle much more predictably in snowy and icy conditions than A/Ts or All Seasons, so much so that most people that have never tried them have no idea the performance they're missing out on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYEMH10Z4s

They also represent that extra bit of insurance for those times like last winter when my wife and I had to drive three hours through a blizzard at night, passing car after car in the ditch. I had no real problems on my Michelin Cross Terrains that were on my Explorer at the time (I felt that they were actually very good performers in the snow), but that's a 235 width (vs 265) and will cut down to the pavement better.

Therefore, I did my research on Consumer Reports' and Tire Rack's testing, and I considered the consistently exceptional performance I've experienced with Blizzaks while also keeping in mind that tire technology seems to be continuously improving. I read about how great the Nokian Hakka R SUV tires are supposed to be, but not too thrilled about the price. Also, I don't do any offroading, except pretty light stuff like unmaintained forest roads and stuff like that during hunting season.

In the end, I decided to order the Continental ExtremeWinterContact tires in stock 265/70r17 size (got them for $136/each off TireTeam.com). However, I am wondering if I should have gone narrower, I just didn't like the idea of having to step down in diameter (they don't make a narrower size with a high enough aspect ratio to keep the stock diameter) and lose the ground clearance... I think it will be a good compromise though as the Continental has been reviewed to be at the top of dry pavement performance despite its highly competitive snow and ice test results.

Testing Winter Weather Specialists: Studless Ice and Snow Tires

I won't be mounting them on the vehicle until the beginning of November, but I could use some wheel recommendations if anybody has them (steel wheel anybody can vouch for working well on their 5th gen?)

I will also make sure to give a review on their performance after I've been able to put them through the paces (can't wait, bring on the snow storms! :jump:).

Now I suppose I better try to do some work before it's time to go home... hahahaha.
 
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