Sport Edition vs Limited

[Thai]

Where's that middle finger smilie?

Well, it's mostly after a physical activity or whatever, or even on a real hot day, you start to sweat while the A/C tries to do its thing. The sweat gets trapped between you and the leather, then it dries and clings to you like velcro, your skin gets itchy.... Disgusting. I don't even sweat that much compared to other people, either. I would like to try the Lexus' A/C seats, though.

You have the "sweaty balls" syndrome! I suggest that you try Gold Bond on your boys: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?threadid=12360

 

[p nut]

Bah. Don

 

[Thai]

Bah. Don

 

[MercuryEvo]

I got the limited because I wanted NAV, leather, stock 18's. I HAD to have the V8 and the only limited they had was with Nav. I'm upgrading the wheels anyway, but I LOVE the OEM nav

 

[EH007]

As for OEM NAVI unit vs. aftermarket NAVI, i much prefer OEM unit. I have had both ....However, Toyota (and Honda) NAVI systems are superior in function and "brain power." I am sure that the aftermarket unit has more bling features, but from a pure function point of view, the OEM Toyota NAVI rocks! By "brain power," i mean that the calculations and logic are superior to the aftermarket units.

I'd agree with you except for the fact that the Eclipse AVN 6620 is almost 100% identical to the OEM Toyota navigation in the 4Runner in terms of functionality, calculations, logic, etc... Plus it allows complete control even while driving just by simply grounding one wire on the wiring harness. It also plays DVDs, unlike the OEM unit. Not to mention the audio portion of the aftermarket unit absolutely blows away the OEM unit.

I've also had both in my 4Runner. Unfortunately, the OEM navi unit developed a problem and had to be replaced. When I learned that the Eclipse was basically the same navigation system with all the extra features and capabilities, I was sold. Plus, the aftermarket unit retailed for less than $1000, while the OEM unit was double that price just as an option.

If I were buying another new 4Runner today, I'd definitely get it without the factory navi and install an Eclipse instead. I'd save myself a lot of money and have a better navigation system at the same time!

 

[EH007]

Here's my take on the Limited vs. the Sport Edition:

Although the Limited undoubtedly comes well equipped, I don't really consider it the "top" trim line for a couple of reasons. First, XREAS is standard on the Sport, but optional on the Limited. Second, the hood scoop is standard on the Sport and not available on the Limited. Both of these items are important to me. I absolutely love the look of the hood scoop and the XREAS makes the 4Runner much nicer to drive on the street, in my opinion.

Looks are subjective, but the Sport has better looking wheels (the 18" wheels on the Limited are nice, but not quite as nice as the Sport wheels) and tubular roof rack/running boards.

I'm also more happy with the cloth seats than the leather. I love the look of leather seats, but I don't like sitting on them in the winter or the summer. My last 8 vehicles have had leather and I have to admit that it's really nice having cloth seats again.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think the Urban Runner is probably the best of both worlds. Yes, it has the 18" Limited wheels (which are 2nd best on my list), but it also has all of the other stuff that I really like about the Sport, including the running boards, XREAS, hood scoop, etc... Plus the unique seats look fantastic to my eyes. As an added bonus, it has the '03 - '04 style rear spoiler, without the hump on top. I also like the color keyed grille, which is something specific to the Limited since '06. The '03 - '05 models had color keyed grilles, which is something that I liked a lot.

 

[EH007]

Leather is stronger and lasts longer than cloth. This is fact.

I wouldn't say it's a fact. It's definitely debatable. High quality leather can last a long time, but it definitely starts showing its age after a while. I've never owned a car with leather that the seats still looked new after 3 years. They all started getting those wrinkled wear spots after a year or two. And I've always been meticulous about caring for the leather by keeping it clean and applying conditioner on a regular basis.

The cloth on my 4Runner still looks the same as it did when brand new, so I think it will last a long time, based upon how it has held up so far.

 

[Thai]

I wouldn't say it's a fact. It's definitely debatable. High quality leather can last a long time, but it definitely starts showing its age after a while. I've never owned a car with leather that the seats still looked new after 3 years. They all started getting those wrinkled wear spots after a year or two. And I've always been meticulous about caring for the leather by keeping it clean and applying conditioner on a regular basis.

The cloth on my 4Runner still looks the same as it did when brand new, so I think it will last a long time, based upon how it has held up so far.

Yes, it does depend on leather quality. My G-wagen's leather is still quite new looking (no creases) after 5 years and 60k miles...and that includes off-roading miles.

But, yeah, leather does show signs of wear, but it is still durable. Cloth seats wear too...just wait. My Corolla's cloth seat certainly does not look like new...and it is only 3.5 years old.

BTW, for most car leather, all these conditioners don't do much good.

The bottom line is still that cloth seats stain with anything not water. They tear easier than leather seats. In addition, the seam (where the stitching is) is weaker in a cloth seat, as compared to leather seats. Not sure on the 4runner, but leather seats often have double/triple stitching, while cloth seats have single stitching.

 

[Thai]

I'd agree with you except for the fact that the Eclipse AVN 6620 is almost 100% identical to the OEM Toyota navigation in the 4Runner in terms of functionality, calculations, logic, etc... Plus it allows complete control even while driving just by simply grounding one wire on the wiring harness. It also plays DVDs, unlike the OEM unit. Not to mention the audio portion of the aftermarket unit absolutely blows away the OEM unit.

I've also had both in my 4Runner. Unfortunately, the OEM navi unit developed a problem and had to be replaced. When I learned that the Eclipse was basically the same navigation system with all the extra features and capabilities, I was sold. Plus, the aftermarket unit retailed for less than $1000, while the OEM unit was double that price just as an option.

If I were buying another new 4Runner today, I'd definitely get it without the factory navi and install an Eclipse instead. I'd save myself a lot of money and have a better navigation system at the same time!

Not sure about the 4runner, but my Sienna's NAVI system does indeed play DVDs with the parking brake engaged.

Aren't there mods out there to allow OEM NAVI to be used while moving? I have not done it because i have not found a profound need to do it. If i need to operate the NAVI part of it, then i stop and do it.

Did your OEM NAVI quit after warranty expired?? A few years back, i did my research on the Eclipse NAVI and heard a few stories about it's screen failing and that its screen was fragile to repeated touch (due to touchscreen). I think that it was an Eclipse...i know that it was touchscreen like OEM.

The audio portion of the Eclipse is better in what way?? I like my JBL unit because it has treble, mid, and bass adjustments along with ASL (automatic sound leveler) and Surround mode. As you know, most JBL system have a separate amplifier. Did you have the JBL system on your 4runner?? You did not have an issue connecting the Eclipse to the JBL system??

 

[EH007]

Not sure about the 4runner, but my Sienna's NAVI system does indeed play DVDs with the parking brake engaged.

Aren't there mods out there to allow OEM NAVI to be used while moving? I have not done it because i have not found a profound need to do it. If i need to operate the NAVI part of it, then i stop and do it.

Did your OEM NAVI quit after warranty expired?? A few years back, i did my research on the Eclipse NAVI and heard a few stories about it's screen failing and that its screen was fragile to repeated touch (due to touchscreen). I think that it was an Eclipse...i know that it was touchscreen like OEM.

The audio portion of the Eclipse is better in what way?? I like my JBL unit because it has treble, mid, and bass adjustments along with ASL (automatic sound leveler) and Surround mode. As you know, most JBL system have a separate amplifier. Did you have the JBL system on your 4runner?? You did not have an issue connecting the Eclipse to the JBL system??

As far as I know, the 4Runner OEM navi does not allow DVD playback. I also didn't know that the Sienna's does though. Interesting.

There is a procedure that allows the early generation OEM 4Runner navi sytems to be used while in motion. It involved pressing a series of "hidden" buttons on the corners of the touchscreen to access a service menu. Unfortunately, this procedure doesn't work on the newer versions. However, you can buy a module that allows the newer versions to be unrestricted while in motion, but it is expensive and it does't work as well as you'd think. A friend of mine installed one and when he loses the satellite signal, the vehicle speed sensor doesn't allow the vehicle to keep tracking as it did before his mod. I much prefer the ability to ground the parking brake wire and have 100% full control at all times, the way the Eclipse unit allows.

Yes, my navi broke after the warranty expired. That's why I looked for a replacement. After a good bit of research, I learned that the OEM unit is made by Fujitsu, the same company that puts out the Eclipse. Actually, the Eclipse is pretty much exactly the same as the OEM unit. All functionality works the same and even the screens look the same. I'm sure the touchscreen is the same as well since both units are made by the same company. I haven't heard about any problems with either.

If you look into the specs of the 6620, you'll see that it is basically an audiophile system compared to the JBL in the 4Runner. I'm not an audiophile kind of guy, so I don't use anywhere near the capabilities of the unit, but I can see it being a plus for the guys who love to tweak their music. As far as connections, you can buy a custom harness that makes it 100% plug-n-play, which is what I did. It was $50, but it was well worth it. Besides, the entire unit was less than $1000, so I see it as a screaming bargain compared to the OEM unit. Also, since it's the same thing as the OEM system, the steering wheel controls plug right into the back of the unit, just like the OEM unit.

 

[Thai]

EH, ahh, thanks for the info. Yes, my Sienna NAVI does play DVD.

 

[morphius909]

WE got the sport edition for most of the reason that others have listed here: the Look, No Leather, and of course cost!

I don't regret that I didn't get the Limited, though the V8 would have been nice.

It just comes down to what YOU perceive are your needs.

Either way, you can't go wrong!

 

[audio39]

Sport vs Limited....good debate.

When I purchased my silver 05 Sport it was sitting directly beside a black Sport with Leather interior and a number of options that didn't mean much to me. The black Sport sat directly beside a blue Limited with Leather etc.

Well, I own a Bullmastiff who likes to go every where with me, and his big black nails have left a number of holes in our leather couch in the family room....so leather interior was out.

But the biggest reason I went with the Sport - the scoop. The look with that scoop is just too much to walk away from. When the snow is piling up, and the driving's getting rough (for everyone else), well that scoop that I can see through my front window just seems to make the run a little easier!!

Gotta love 4Runners!

 

[anabolic]

Ok, something else to throw into the mix...

My ex had an '08 SR5 with a V8. Hers had 2H, 4H and 4L. After reading the boards it seems like this is an oddity as most V8s come with full time 4X4. Did they ever offer this option with the sport edition or limited?

 

[CJ3Flyr]

Ok, something else to throw into the mix...

My ex had an '08 SR5 with a V8. Hers had 2H, 4H and 4L. After reading the boards it seems like this is an oddity as most V8s

Never heard of that...

For all the back and forth I didn't see any mention of the beefier brakes on the SE which I think come on the Limited too. An SR5 will have slightly smaller brakes. Even with light trailers I never feel like mine are lacking but the SE's do get bigger rotors; nice for towing. I don't know if all of the Limiteds get the big brakes.

That might be worth figuring out as you decide between the two.


:cheers:

 

[anabolic]

Never heard of that...

I didn't think it was strange until I started researching them, but it does indeed exist.

 

[CJ3Flyr]

I didn't think it was strange until I started researching them, but it does indeed exist.

Can you buy that one off of her? :lmao: That would be cool to have the V8 w/ a 2wd mode.

:cheers:

 

[anabolic]

Can you buy that one off of her? :lmao: That would be cool to have the V8 w/ a 2wd mode.

:cheers:

It's a lease, but maybe in 2 years when she turns it in!

 

[EH007]

The V8 4Runners don't have the ability to run 2HI. I think you'll find one of two possibilities--either her 4Runner is a V6 or you were mistaken when you looked at the 4wd knob. The V8 knob has a 4wd hi and low selector only.

 

[anabolic]

The V8 4Runners don't have the ability to run 2HI. I think you'll find one of two possibilities--either her 4Runner is a V6 or you were mistaken when you looked at the 4wd knob. The V8 knob has a 4wd hi and low selector only.

You are correct.

I was going on the fact that she told me it was V8, I took a spin by and sure enough it's a V6.

So I guess that rules that out really quick!

:bonk: