Sprint Network and tri-band LTE...and future

Thai

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Hey all,

This is mainly for Sprint customers (or future customers). By the 2nd half of 2013 (rumor), Sprint will be coming out with tri-band LTE phones. My guess is that it is probably towards the end of 2013 that we will see these phones.

Right now, LTE on Sprint covers 1900 Mhz band (band 25). So, iPhone 5, Note 2, Galaxy S3/S4, HTC ONE, etc. all use this band for LTE. These phones are SINGLE band LTE phones.

Sprint currently is working feverishly to upgrade their LTE towers all across the nation. I know this because they are working around the clock near my house. The plan is to deploy LTE 800 Mhz and LTE 2500 Mhz by the end of 2013 and early 2014...to go along with LTE 1900 that is currently being used.

LTE 800 (also known as ESMR, BC10, and band 27) is gold! This is what you want!! The lower the frequency, the better building penetration. (This is why Verizon LTE is so good because i believe that the main Verizon LTE band is 700 Mhz...which is beachfront property in cellular talk!!) Currently, LTE 1900 on Sprint is fairly useless (as many have found out) because it really works only when you're outside without building around you. Inside your work or house, you have no LTE coverage. (And if you do, then it is very weak.)

Why is a lower (numerical) Mhz band better:
*Wider Geographical coverage (better in-building access)
*Greater signal strength (depending on the distance of the tower, and other factors that may influence the signal, and or speed of the network connection.)
*Less prone to weather conditions

How a lower Mhz band can be hurtful:
*The network on the lower band (800Mhz for example) is more prone to interfere with itself due to the distance it travels, and/or other interfearences. (This is where higher bands work better.)

So, with Sprint phasing out iDEN (push-to-talk service), Sprint now has LTE 800 which is fabulous...not as good as Verizon "beachfront property" LTE 700, but it should be much better than what we have now. I do think that Sprint is trying to be aggressive here, given their recent rapid deployment of LTE in cities across America.

Sprint will use LTE 2500 band (band 41 from Clearwire/WiMAX) to offload some of the load on the LTE 800 and 1900 bands if the customer is in range of this higher band. LTE 2500 will also be used for hotspot folks...again, to decrease the load on the lower bands. A decrease load on the lower bands will ensure that everyone gets good LTE speeds.

By 2014, Sprint will have a 3 tiered network which has users on 2500/1900/800 Mhz depending on location and load. Sprint will save money because they are currently operating two very different networks (Sprint and Nextel). With Nextel (and iDEN) shutting down, Sprint now only has to operate one network. The use of 800mhz will also reduce roaming costs incurred (paid by Sprint).

80% of current LTE towers will get LTE 800. The other 20% are largely redundant urban sites in tight spacing where the site already gets an abundant LTE 800 signal from adjacent sites and they are designed to minimize interference. In addition, the issue in border markets (and Puerto Rico) is not lack of 800 MHz spectrum but potential inability to use some of that spectrum without violating international agreements. The exact % is still up in the air since Softbank and Dish (both well funded) are bidding for Sprint. Once Sprint is bought out by either of these entities, the % may change.

What does this all mean? If you're a Sprint customer with an upgrade coming OR if you're a potential customer, then YOU WANT TO WAIT! Do NOT get any of the current phones, including the Galaxy S4 and HTC One. And no, these phones do not support LTE 800 (nor 2500) Mhz at all! So, by next year, these phones will only work on LTE 1900...they will not connect to LTE 800 nor LTE 2500. I would wait for the 2nd half of 2013 phones to come out, such as iPhone 5S and Galaxy Note 3. These phones (if avail on Sprint) should be tri-band LTE phones.

Hope this helps someone. Above is from what i have read on the net...feel free to correct me. Thanks!
 
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Link: Sprint will shut down its iDEN network on June 29 | Android Central

Sprint reminds us today that its iDEN network shutdown is right on schedule, expected to hit the date the carrier set out over 11 months ago. Starting "first thing" on June 30th, the carrier will turn off switch locations in rapid succession, quickly followed by powering down equipment and removing backhaul from the cell cites.

Link: Light Reading - Sprint to Dial 800 for LTE in Q4

"We expect to deploy LTE on 800MHz in the fourth quarter," said Steve Elfman, president of network operations and wholesale at Sprint on the call. This is part of the company's wider "Network Vision" 3G and 4G upgrade.

Elfman says Sprint presently has "600 cities under construction" with 170 ready in the coming months with the updates.

With so many different chunks of frequency to support, Sprint will need these devices to switch between 2.5GHz, 800MHz and 1900MHz to get around the network.

This is all in the future though, as Sprint enters into what Hesse described as a spend- and build-heavy "phase two" of the operator's turnaround.
 
[MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION] this is great information.. I have been so frustrated with Sprint and their data connection lately that I finally got them to agree to waive the early termination fees.

Reading this is making me reconsider. I was thinking of purchasing the S4 Active, which is not out yet. You don't think it will carry the 800 band?
 
[MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION] this is great information.. I have been so frustrated with Sprint and their data connection lately that I finally got them to agree to waive the early termination fees.

Reading this is making me reconsider. I was thinking of purchasing the S4 Active, which is not out yet. You don't think it will carry the 800 band?

I ask the same question about S4 Active. Unfortunately, it is an AT&T phone. :( Very little chance that Sprint will carry it based on the frequency band of the S4 Active. (This has come true since AT&T is now offering S4 Active exclusively!)

Our best hope is that Samsung is reportedly (rumor!) going to make a S4 LTE Advance model. This is apparently an upper model of the current S4 in that it will have more LTE bands, but also a S800 chip (a major upgrade over the current S4's S600/Exynos 5 Octa chip). This is the one that you want, if it ever comes to Sprint!

The other phone that you should have on your radar is the LG Optimus G2, which is coming out within the next month or so (again, rumor). G2 should make it to Sprint at the same time as other carrier since Sprint carried the original Optimus G. G2 is supposedly high-tech with 1080 5" screen and S800 chip. The problem is that it is coming out relatively early in the summer...and I wonder if it will support tri-band LTE. If LG is smart, then they will include that in...I hope so because S800 does support many LTE bands.

I am also sure that the later models, such as iPhone 5S and Galaxy Note 3, will have Sprint's new tri-band LTE. Well, at least, I am hoping! :D
 
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Yeah guys opt out without paying the ETF and join me on Verizon LTE :becky:

I had Verizon, and they wanted an arm and a leg to add data to our phone plans and then ripped me off for a month of service I didn't get when I ported our phones to Sprint.

I wish Sprint had better reception out in the boonies, but Verizon won't see another dime from me, ever.
 
I had Verizon, and they wanted an arm and a leg to add data to our phone plans and then ripped me off for a month of service I didn't get when I ported our phones to Sprint.

I wish Sprint had better reception out in the boonies, but Verizon won't see another dime from me, ever.

No one ever said beach front property is cheap :)
 
I don't mind paying for decent property, but I'm not willing to buy it from the Mafia. YMMV.

I understand your frustrations, but let's be honest every major wireless phone carrier out there is pretty much evil in one way or another. I used to have Sprint a long time ago and I couldn't deal with their BS so I switched to Verizon and have used them for well over 8 years so far, and not much to complain about besides their prices.

I am not sure how it is now, but I remember from almost every single one of my friends with Sprint, I would always hear about connectivity issues and weak signals. Kind of pointless to have a great deal on cell phone service if you can't use it a lot of the times, IMO of course :)
 
For where I work, Sprint actually (surprisingly) outperforms Verizon in cell coverage (most important thing for me). Verizon is nice to have for sure...but costs too much. And where I live, I get strong Sprint cell and LTE signals. If no Sprint, then I will probably go with pre-paid such as Straight Talk (GSM).
 
For where I work, Sprint actually (surprisingly) outperforms Verizon in cell coverage (most important thing for me). Verizon is nice to have for sure...but costs too much. And where I live, I get strong Sprint cell and LTE signals. If no Sprint, then I will probably go with pre-paid such as Straight Talk (GSM).

Hey so Thai, does this mean that Sprint LTE phones cannot roam over to Verizon LTE towers? I remember back in the CDMA days this is what they told me, something about how they shared a lot of Verizon's towers and that their signal is just like Verizon (great sales pitch huh?) I haven't really kept up with current cell phone technology in years, didn't even know there are different LTE bands, lol.
 
Hey so Thai, does this mean that Sprint LTE phones cannot roam over to Verizon LTE towers? I remember back in the CDMA days this is what they told me, something about how they shared a lot of Verizon's towers and that their signal is just like Verizon (great sales pitch huh?) I haven't really kept up with current cell phone technology in years, didn't even know there are different LTE bands, lol.

No roaming on LTE because the bands are different. But, Sprint and Verizon do roam on each other's cell towers I believe for phone calls.

The other problem with Verizon is that they are very heavy-handed when it comes to smartphone software updates and bloatware on their phones. More often than not, Verizon is the last carrier to update their phone software. Another example is Google Wallet. Verizon refuses to let Google Wallet to be on their phone...probably because they have their own wallet software in the works.

So, yeah, given that my future will be all smartphones, Verizon is a horrible choice for smartphone enthusiasts.
 
For where I work, Sprint actually (surprisingly) outperforms Verizon in cell coverage (most important thing for me). Verizon is nice to have for sure...but costs too much. And where I live, I get strong Sprint cell and LTE signals. If no Sprint, then I will probably go with pre-paid such as Straight Talk (GSM).

When I'm out an about in the boonies, I'm constantly surprised by the guys with Verizon that have service when I'm dead in the water. They do have much better network coverage, at least around here.
 
When I'm out an about in the boonies, I'm constantly surprised by the guys with Verizon that have service when I'm dead in the water. They do have much better network coverage, at least around here.

I am sure that my work place is the exception rather than the rule! Verizon coverage is awesome. However, Verizon is also extremely arrogant and rule with an iron fist! The amount of bloatware on their phones is ridiculous...and they take forever to update their phones. And you wonder why Google will never make CDMA Nexus phone again! Verizon stonewalled Google every chance it gets with the Galaxy Nexus phone. That and the high pricing make it a big no-no for me.
 
I'll tell you this, I spend all night every night schooling their network techs :). But that goes for AT&T and Sprint too, so Verizon is nothing special in that regard.
 
No roaming on LTE because the bands are different. But, Sprint and Verizon do roam on each other's cell towers I believe for phone calls.

The other problem with Verizon is that they are very heavy-handed when it comes to smartphone software updates and bloatware on their phones. More often than not, Verizon is the last carrier to update their phone software. Another example is Google Wallet. Verizon refuses to let Google Wallet to be on their phone...probably because they have their own wallet software in the works.

So, yeah, given that my future will be all smartphones, Verizon is a horrible choice for smartphone enthusiasts.

Ha! Tell me about it, my Samsung Galaxy S3 I purchased a year ago is still on the original Android 4.0! Fortunately, I am not really a tech savy guy so it does not bother me tooo much.
 
Ha! Tell me about it, my Samsung Galaxy S3 I purchased a year ago is still on the original Android 4.0! Fortunately, I am not really a tech savy guy so it does not bother me tooo much.

Yeah, that's a problem. 4.1 (JellyBean) brings significant changes...good changes! 4.2 (Jellybean) is of much lesser significance.

Sprint, on the other hand, has been pretty good with updating their phones once the manufacturer releases it. It and T-Mo are probably the closest to providing a Nexus-like support. ATT is somewhere b/w Verizon and Sprint/TMo.
 

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