starter dragging

[3bears]

first I did do the google search above and read many of the threads

dont know if dragging is correct term.

so here is my problem. about a few weeks ago, on occasion, the starter would keep spinning for a few even after engine was running. Hasnt done that for a few days. Last night got home and realized I had forgotten something, car had not been off for more than 2 minutes....would not start, made no noise, no clicking nothing, but everything worked otherwise, lights etc.

I have no idea if original starter, now at about 250k, 12 yeas of previous owners papers dont say anything about starter....and he was so accurate he even wrote down when he changed wiper blades...

this morning I went out and fired right up. Torque pro said I was charging fine.
ran it for a few, shut it off, restarted no problem. ledt get up to normal operating temp, turn off let it sit about 5 minutes..no problem.

I assume its the starter contacts . If you dont think its that...then what.

Saddly its winter in alaska and no garage...so I might have to have a shop replace before it strands me. I dont have another vehicle. I do have the tools, and have watched timmys starter video....just worng time of year.

maybe if napa has a starter relay on shelf, i might pick one up today as some of the threads I have read make reference to the relays going bad.

 

[mtbtim]

It's definitely the starter contacts. It's too bad you don't have a garage to work in.

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[3bears]

It's definitely the starter contacts. It's too bad you don't have a garage to work in.

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thanks....I wont bother picking up a relay then. Hope on having a garage next year...even if all I build is a one car.

 

[thennen]

My two cents. My son has an older Corolla that had similar symptoms of the starter staying engaged. It had an aftermarket remote start that was occasionally energizing when not being asked to do so. I pulled the two 30-amp fuses for that and it largely went away. Eventually replaced the starter too, so maybe it got damaged by the faulty remote start.

 

[19963.4lsr5]

I think your starter is old as dirt and needs contacts and the bendix taken apart and grease everything up again.

I put new contacts in my starter. Then 4 or so years later (past summer) I could hear the grinding of the flywheel teeth overrunning the starter gear until it fully retracted. Sure enough when I pulled the old starter the gears were ramped. So that starter is dead if I can’t replace the gear in the head.

Don’t get the brand new Napa starter unless you pull the contact cover and grease the plunger with lithium. I have a thread on that somewhere.


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[3bears]

I think your starter is old as dirt and needs contacts and the bendix taken apart and grease everything up again.

I put new contacts in my starter. Then 4 or so years later (past summer) I could hear the grinding of the flywheel teeth overrunning the starter gear until it fully retracted. Sure enough when I pulled the old starter the gears were ramped. So that starter is dead if I can’t replace the gear in the head.

Don’t get the brand new Napa starter unless you pull the contact cover and grease the plunger with lithium. I have a thread on that somewhere.


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thanks, I was not planning to go new but rebuilt, and im not sure what ever shop can get me in, would appreciate me saying...oh by the way,,,take the new one apart and grease it.

but I like the advice

 

[19963.4lsr5]

thanks, I was not planning to go new but rebuilt, and im not sure what ever shop can get me in, would appreciate me saying...oh by the way,,,take the new one apart and grease it.

but I like the advice

I had two of the new napa starters and both failed the same way. And after the bendix started sticking on the one I threw in with new contacts I decided to see what was wrong and could be done with the new starter.


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[shadow247]

thanks, I was not planning to go new but rebuilt, and im not sure what ever shop can get me in, would appreciate me saying...oh by the way,,,take the new one apart and grease it.

but I like the advice

I went with the Reman Denso unit from Napa. Best price I could find anywhere.

Pro Tip - Get a 1/2 inch long/stubby extension, and a long 3/8 socket wrench. You can break the starter bolts loose through the fenderwell with a stubby extension. There is JUUUUST enough room.

Remove the sway bar brackets on the frame, and snake it out that way. Don't bother fighting it through the fenderwell. Plan to replace the Sway Bar mount bushings at the same imte.

 

[Bad Luck]

first I did do the google search above and read many of the threads

dont know if dragging is correct term.

so here is my problem. about a few weeks ago, on occasion, the starter would keep spinning for a few even after engine was running. Hasnt done that for a few days. Last night got home and realized I had forgotten something, car had not been off for more than 2 minutes....would not start, made no noise, no clicking nothing, but everything worked otherwise, lights etc.

I have no idea if original starter, now at about 250k, 12 yeas of previous owners papers dont say anything about starter....and he was so accurate he even wrote down when he changed wiper blades...

this morning I went out and fired right up. Torque pro said I was charging fine.
ran it for a few, shut it off, restarted no problem. ledt get up to normal operating temp, turn off let it sit about 5 minutes..no problem.

I assume its the starter contacts . If you dont think its that...then what.

Saddly its winter in alaska and no garage...so I might have to have a shop replace before it strands me. I dont have another vehicle. I do have the tools, and have watched timmys starter video....just worng time of year.

maybe if napa has a starter relay on shelf, i might pick one up today as some of the threads I have read make reference to the relays going bad.

The bold section sounds like a stuck/failing plunger, and the underlined section sounds like bad starter contacts.

 

[3bears]

can these symptoms kill a battery. Today I went to lunch and battery was dead...i guess...all I got was clicking from car like a dead battery....but everything else worked. and like i have said earlier...Ive had draging...and times i would have to hit the start side several times and it would start. now nothing and getting it towed to shop
gosh I wish I had a garage....santa..thats my wish for next year...a garage

 

[3bears]

so sad to see it towed away. cant imagine its a battery causing my starter drag and stuff....crap a couple of days of uber

 

[19963.4lsr5]

A loud Klick and everything still working usually points to bad starter contacts. No klick is a stuck plunger.


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[3bears]

A loud Klick and everything still working usually points to bad starter contacts. No klick is a stuck plunger.


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thanks.. clicking like a low battery...couple times then done....like a dead battery...

for a bit I was re thinking this....thinking my starter is ok...but shppy battery...but no....good or bad,,,, a starter would not keep spinng with engine running regardless of battery

also with my torque ap....i am only showing about 11.3 but ive read that the torque app reads low

heck maybe ill get hit with a triple...the shop will say starter alternator and battery too....yehah for christmas bonus

 

[19963.4lsr5]

thanks.. clicking like a low battery...couple times then done....like a dead battery...

for a bit I was re thinking this....thinking my starter is ok...but shppy battery...but no....good or bad,,,, a starter would not keep spinng with engine running regardless of battery

also with my torque ap....i am only showing about 11.3 but ive read that the torque app reads low

heck maybe ill get hit with a triple...the shop will say starter alternator and battery too....yehah for christmas bonus

I keep a voltmeter in the cig lighter to monitor. 11.3 is low at key on. But I’ve seen 10vdc start the engine.

It’s your call. Have the battery load tested and if it fails replace it. What is your system voltage driving? Are you driving it enough to charge the battery?

You’re in an extreme environment.


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[19963.4lsr5]

This is a stuck plunger from the new napa starter made in Maylasia. Notice the lack of grease.

Below is the plunger I pulled out of the starter that the bendix was dragging on. It installed directly in the new napa starter and has been working fine ever since.

So the new starters are exact copies of the OEM Denso factory starter.


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[3bears]

I keep a voltmeter in the cig lighter to monitor. 11.3 is low at key on. But I’ve seen 10vdc start the engine.

It’s your call. Have the battery load tested and if it fails replace it. What is your system voltage driving? Are you driving it enough to charge the battery?

You’re in an extreme environment.


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11.3 is what I see on torque pro when driving, about 11 at idle. Alternator is a denso rebuilt put in last fall.. Battery is 3 years old. i have read that torque pro reads low

this time of year car is plugged in 2 hours b4 going to work and at work 2 hours b4 i leave. not only do I have heaters but a trickle charger on battery.

 

[19963.4lsr5]

11.3 is what I see on torque pro when driving, about 11 at idle. Alternator is a denso rebuilt put in last fall.. Battery is 3 years old. i have read that torque pro reads low

this time of year car is plugged in 2 hours b4 going to work and at work 2 hours b4 i leave. not only do I have heaters but a trickle charger on battery.

Put a voltmeter on the battery posts and look at the voltage with engine running. Also from the output of the alt to ground. That voltage will make a starter click for sure.

I never heard torque pro reading low. Let alone 3vdc low during normal operating conditions. The volt reading is the voltage from the OBD2 port.

Hit your alt with a hammer. If your voltage goes back to normal, your brushes are worn or were stuck.


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[3bears]

never had a chance to put meter direct, before it was towed. For sure low voltage can make a starter click, but the starter was dragging ( kept going wiht engine running) and some times not even start or click and then a few minutes later would start. Im not sure low voltage would cause that. Sadly not the other night. So towed
maybe I have both going on. Starter and alternator

 

[3bears]

new starter in and old one must have been draining the system when running, because wiht new one in ( rebuilt) im back to 12 and 13 volts on my torque app

 

[19963.4lsr5]

new starter in and old one must have been draining the system when running, because wiht new one in ( rebuilt) im back to 12 and 13 volts on my torque app

In cold weather you should be 14+ volts. In my area I’m 14.1-14.3 at my cig lighter and on my ScanGauge.

Read your voltage at the battery and alt output to ground and to the negative terminal.


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