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[superman3043]

Sliders look good PD! A little shorter then I would like but i'm sure it's fine. Nice looking leather, I would like to add some black leather to mine with lime green stitching. Does the pushout cup holder and tray still work in the rear center fold down?

Thanks Bobby! The sliders were actually a lot longer per my original design but I ended up taking 6" out of them after test fit due to some interference with my body mount.

And yes, you still have access to the rear cup holders with these. You'll be able to check mine out soon enough. Take care brother!

 

[Ginneta]

LOVE the black rims! I have been looking into going for aftermarket and was considering black rims as well, however everyone told me that the black would contrast with the white too much!! I think they are wrong, LOVE IT!!

 

[superman3043]

LOVE the black rims! I have been looking into going for aftermarket and was considering black rims as well, however everyone told me that the black would contrast with the white too much!! I think they are wrong, LOVE IT!!

Thanks Ginneta! Yes, they were wrong. Murdered white or "Stormtroopered" is my absolute favorite color theme. Love white vehicles, love em more when they're accented in black.

Don't know if you caught it in my post on your "rear diff vs. axle swap" thread, but I'm a former Flowertown resident myself. Congrats on the 4Runner and welcome to the forum!

 

[rmarkey]

What wheel width, offset, and backspacing are those wheels?

I'm still trying to find the right look for mine and I think I like that stance.

 

[superman3043]

What wheel width, offset, and backspacing are those wheels?

I'm still trying to find the right look for mine and I think I like that stance.

8.5" wide. I'm not positive on my offset. These are available in +10,+35,& +50, so if I had to guess, I'd say they're the +10 (which is like 5-1/8" backspace). They're perfectly flush with the side of the truck.

Hope that helps. LMK if you got anything else.

 

[superman3043]

Front Suspension

Spent a week in Jamaica recharging and got to come home to a pile of parts in need of some wrenching!

Bought these beauties out of the classified section off of fellow forum member surfmobile. Thanks Tyler! They are Fox Extended Travel 2.5" coilovers.

New hardware next to old:

Sway-bar relocates:

Everything initially put in place:

After putting everything back together, I took her for a test drive to let the suspension settle in. Being a complete coil-over lift noob, I was really just taking a stab as far as height setting goes. Upon driving it, she was wandering all over the road.

As you can see from the first shot, I had them cranked to show about an inch of thread between the upper mount and coil collar. This equated to way too much lift. I dialed them in to my desired height which ended up being about 9/16" of thread.

So the wandering was still bothering me, and the position I had the camber adjustment set at gave me a lot of negative camber. After speaking with my boy Aha2988, I readjusted the camber and also used the LR caster adjustment to add some additional positive caster. Made a huge difference. Went from the "D" position, which I believe to be +2 deg camber @ stock height and 0 deg lifted, to the "B" position which I think is +3.75 deg stock and +1.75 lifted. She tracks much better now. Still need an alignment, but waiting to install the tires sometime within the next week first.

After adjustments:

Final touches.
before:

after:

That's all. Exciting... for me anyway. Thanks for looking. Stay tuned for some muuuuuuud tires!!!

 

[aha2988]

BY BY DAYSTAR STICKER!! HAHAHA, **** forgot to take caps lock off an im not retyping it...

 

[Darklight]

Looking good man! I would get the alignment done that will make a huge difference. It did for me. What is your current fender height now? From center hub to fender lip? You will really enjoy those coilovers once you hit some dirt! I'm excited for you.

Bobby

 

[superman3043]

Looking good man! I would get the alignment done that will make a huge difference. It did for me. What is your current fender height now? From center hub to fender lip? You will really enjoy those coilovers once you hit some dirt! I'm excited for you.

Bobby

Thanks brother! I'm excited for YOU! Can't wait to see pics of the new shoes or see the thing in person.

Yeah, the alignment will tell the tail. After I added the caster it was much better and I think the coil-overs do ride good.

I think I'm actually being bothered by another issue that I haven't been able to chase down yet. I'm getting a chattering coming through my steering column when going over bumpy terrain and I haven't been able to find it yet. I thought that it might have been coming from the slip joint that I loosened when doing the body lift, but tightening it didn't solve the issue. Now it's starting to look like LBJ's.

I haven't taken a hub to fender measurement. I never do. I should start. Looking at my numbers, I was targeting 38-1/8 from the ground which I was able to hit +/-. That was going to give me 3/4" rake from rear to front. Seems really low. Looks like my rear settled a whole inch from the last measurement I took. Who knows though, could have been tire pressure or whatever. Guess that's why people measure from the hub. I'll need to get back in there and dial it in a little better. Let everything settle in for now. Those things are adjustable, but still a PITA to crank.

 

[Darklight]

PD, were you getting the steering wheel chatter before you installed the coilovers? It may just be the alignment issue.Also, Make sure everything is tightened and tq properly. Coilovers do tend to feel small bumps in the cab more and soak up large bumps better. Yeah and playing with the adjustability opens up a pandoras box too! lol, ask me how I know. Once it all settles down and you get an alignment done it should ride like a dream. I think if it was the LBJ's you would hear them too.

Bobby

 

[superman3043]

PD, were you getting the steering wheel chatter before you installed the coilovers? It may just be the alignment issue.Also, Make sure everything is tightened and tq properly. Coilovers do tend to feel small bumps in the cab more and soak up large bumps better. Yeah and playing with the adjustability opens up a pandoras box too! lol, ask me how I know. Once it all settles down and you get an alignment done it should ride like a dream. I think if it was the LBJ's you would hear them too.

Bobby

yeah I was getting it before I installed the front suspension. Actually, I never noticed it until my 1st time at Uwharrie. And it wasn't even on the trail that I noticed it... It was in the gravel parking lot at the Outpost. Actually the only time I notice it is when I'm there. On the road it does fine. That's why I attributed it to the slip joint in the steering shaft, because it's the only thing I loosened for the body lift, but I re-tightened it and it didn't help. I didn't disconnect the rag joint to insert the steering spacer. Maybe I should. I'm not even really sure if it's a new or an old problem, since the car has never really been off road prior to Uwharrie, so I wouldn't have noticed it. It only happens over small bumpy terrain. I'm not even sure if it isn't normal, but I know that day I drove yours and Austins trucks, it didn't feel like yalls' did it. Next time you can drive it and tell me what you think.

 

[Darklight]

Check your tie rods also, what size body lift do you have over 1"? You may need to just loosen the slip joint again to see if that helps any. Just undue the top bolt and see if it slides out some then retighten.

 

[superman3043]

Check your tie rods also, what size body lift do you have over 1"? You may need to just loosen the slip joint again to see if that helps any. Just undue the top bolt and see if it slides out some then retighten.

What should I look for on the tie rods? I know something isn't quite right with them because ever since I've owned the truck, it's tracked slightly left even after multiple alignments. I just thought they might have built that in the alignment to account for road crown. I was gonna have them pay some extra attention to that this go around.

My BL is 1". That's a good idea with the slip joint, I'll give that a go. Should be easy to try. Maybe loosen it and cycle the front suspension a little?

 

[Darklight]

Look to see if they're bent, you can also check for play in the wheel 9-3 if I remeber right. Lift one tire off the ground then grab the tire and see if it has allot of play in the 9-3 area. It shouldn't move more then 1/8" both ways. Worth a check.

 

[superman3043]

Look to see if they're bent, you can also check for play in the wheel 9-3 if I remeber right. Lift one tire off the ground then grab the tire and see if it has allot of play in the 9-3 area. It shouldn't move more then 1/8" both ways. Worth a check.

Thanks bro! I'll check it out.

 

[aha2988]

typically alignment issue don't cause vibrations in the steering. They would however cause a pull to the left or right during driving or braking.

steering wheel vibrations durring driving are typically caused by A.) unbalanced tires B.) extremely warn CV axles (but yours are new)

If the steering is only shaky durring braking then its going to have something to do with an uneven rotor surface. or uneven pad wear

considering you've off-roaded it at uhwarrie theres a good chance you bumped a wheel weight off or sliced some rubber here an there and off balanced the tire.

When i had my vibration issues after getting all the tires balanced it went away.

If your tow and camber specs arn't set to zero with your steering will straight its going to pull left or right, however..

take a look at the thrust angle of your rear axle the next time you get an alignment you'll notice its not tracking straight (mines not either) this happens when you lift because the rear links arn't adjustable..

you can get adjustable links to correct the thrust angle of the rear axle but its such a minute adjustment thats needed i haven't justified chasing that issue.

 

[aha2988]

bobby had a shaky steering wheel and thought it was his wheel spacers. he just learned he had a few broken belts in his old radials.. before getting the new tires

BTW bobby does your steering still vibrate after the new tires were installed?

 

[superman3043]

typically alignment issue don't cause vibrations in the steering. They would however cause a pull to the left or right during driving or braking.

steering wheel vibrations durring driving are typically caused by A.) unbalanced tires B.) extremely warn CV axles (but yours are new)

If the steering is only shaky durring braking then its going to have something to do with an uneven rotor surface. or uneven pad wear

considering you've off-roaded it at uhwarrie theres a good chance you bumped a wheel weight off or sliced some rubber here an there and off balanced the tire.

When i had my vibration issues after getting all the tires balanced it went away.

If your tow and camber specs arn't set to zero with your steering will straight its going to pull left or right, however..

take a look at the thrust angle of your rear axle the next time you get an alignment you'll notice its not tracking straight (mines not either) this happens when you lift because the rear links arn't adjustable..

you can get adjustable links to correct the thrust angle of the rear axle but its such a minute adjustment thats needed i haven't justified chasing that issue.

Yeah I understand all of that. I've had steering wheel vibrations during braking from rotors and during highway speeds due to feathered tires. This issue isn't a steering wheel vibration though. I can only describe it as a chatter in the steering column, like in the up and down direction when moving fairly quickly over bumpy terrain like a gravely road. Sort of like older cars do. Any other time it rides like it's supposed to.

I'm really thinking it's something in the steering mechanism.

And I know about the rear axle too. It's actually not the end links that cause this, it's the pan-hard bar. That's why people with extreme lifts have adjustable ones. Since they are pinned at a single point on the frame, as you lift it actually pivots the axle as it drops away from the frame slightly throwing it off-center. But mines actually always tracked slightly left, even prior to the lift.

 

[aha2988]

Yeah I understand all of that. I've had steering wheel vibrations during braking from rotors and during highway speeds due to feathered tires. This issue isn't a steering wheel vibration though. I can only describe it as a chatter in the steering column, like in the up and down direction when moving fairly quickly over bumpy terrain like a gravely road. Sort of like older cars do. Any other time it rides like it's supposed to.

I'm really thinking it's something in the steering mechanism.

And I know about the rear axle too. It's actually not the end links that cause this, it's the pan-hard bar. That's why people with extreme lifts have adjustable ones. Since they are pinned at a single point on the frame, as you lift it actually pivots the axle as it drops away from the frame slightly throwing it off-center. But mines actually always tracked slightly left, even prior to the lift.

well when i said rear links i was including the pan hard but anyways lol that does seem odd. you'll have to show me what its doing next time we meet up
maybe i can get a better idea

 

[superman3043]

well when i said rear links i was including the pan hard but anyways lol that does seem odd. you'll have to show me what its doing next time we meet up
maybe i can get a better idea

whoops, yeah for some reason I was thinking you were talking about SB end links... and I know you know better than that.

Yeah I'll show you, hopefully next Saturday if it's still going on, but I hope to have it chased down by then.