Terrible in snow when in 2wd

Hey all, weird question but my wife’s 5th gen is absolutely atrocious in snow in 2wd. Worse than any truck I’ve had when in 2wd. We installed some cooper rugged trek tires a couple years ago and I suspect they’re the culprit. They’re not a 3pmsf tire but are super well and fairly aggressive, similar to an RT type tire. Mainly just curious of your experiences with your 5th gen in 2wd during snow. Is it decent or are they always this bad? A 4th gen I had about a decade ago was phenomenal at all times, but not this.
 
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"Aggressive" tires are about the worst ones for snow. Looks at pics of Bridgestone Blizzak tires if you want to see what tires good in snow look like.
 
two quick things:

1) turn VSC off. Otherwise, VSC will apply braking to the slipping wheel, and also dial back throttle. VSC is awesome in many situations, but is exactly the wrong thing when struggling in snow (it is, however, fantastic once you're smoothly underway on snowy roads). 2WD and / or 4WD.

2) siped tires. You want a thousand sipes to "pinch" and hold little snow-towers. Then, these little snow-towers press onto, and engage with, the road snow. It is snow-on-snow that gives you traction, and you need to get this started correctly with a thousand little sipes.

Big open-tread tires will shovel snow and throw it for you, but that's usually not helpful. A tighter tread, and thousands of sipe-cuts is the answer. I've had pretty good luck with AT-tread tires (and of course, actual snow-tires). MT-tread not so much...

As for tire-width: Most people in most circumstances will be better off with taller and narrower "pizza-cutter" tires. The idea is to get through the snow, down toward asphalt so the little snow-pinches actually engage and couple your tires to the pavement. The exception is deep snow, and offroad - here, you may benefit from wider "flotation" tires atop the deep snow.

Summary: Tread and siping is incredibly important for snow traction. Width is the second-most important consideration. Avoid wide MT-tread tires. Keep VSC "On" once underway (may keep you out of the ditch!), but turn VSC "Off" when struggling in snow.
 
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picked up a 2023 SR5P a few days back (before the snow) and my RX350 is definitely better "out of the box". I have some new KO3's coming in this week, hopefully before it snows again this weekend. Interested to compare against the Pep Boys tire this thing came with.
 
Hey all, weird question but my wife’s 5th gen is absolutely atrocious in snow in 2wd. Worse than any truck I’ve had when in 2wd. We installed some cooper rugged trek tires a couple years ago and I suspect they’re the culprit. They’re not a 3pmsf tire but are super well and fairly aggressive, similar to an RT type tire. Mainly just curious of your experiences with your 5th gen in 2wd during snow. Is it decent or are they always this bad? A 4th gen I had about a decade ago was phenomenal at all times, but not this.

The weight distribution between a 4th gen and 5th gen, will be very close. Which means the only variables in your example are the ever-changing conditions of the snow and the traction available, and the tires.
 
:iagree: with [MENTION=177976]CutthroatSlam[/MENTION]. I have Toyo AT2s and I use M/T in Snow/Sand mode and it does very well. I will get AT3s at replacement time.

I will say that the Toyo Open Country AT3 is superior to the previous AT2. Although the AT3 can't compare to the Toyo Observe GSi6 winter tire in winter conditions on the streets/roads.
 
two quick things:

1) turn VSC off. Otherwise, VSC will apply braking to the slipping wheel, and also dial back throttle. VSC is awesome in many situations, but is exactly the wrong thing when struggling in snow (it is, however, fantastic once you're smoothly underway on snowy roads). 2WD and / or 4WD.

2) siped tires. You want a thousand sipes to "pinch" and hold little snow-towers. Then, these little snow-towers press onto, and engage with, the road snow. It is snow-on-snow that gives you traction, and you need to get this started correctly with a thousand little sipes.

Big open-tread tires will shovel snow and throw it for you, but that's usually not helpful. A tighter tread, and thousands of sipe-cuts is the answer. I've had pretty good luck with AT-tread tires (and of course, actual snow-tires). MT-tread not so much...

As for tire-width: Most people in most circumstances will be better off with taller and narrower "pizza-cutter" tires. The idea is to get through the snow, down toward asphalt so the little snow-pinches actually engage and couple your tires to the pavement. The exception is deep snow, and offroad - here, you may benefit from wider "flotation" tires atop the deep snow.

Summary: Tread and siping is incredibly important for snow traction. Width is the second-most important consideration. Avoid wide MT-tread tires. Keep VSC "On" once underway (may keep you out of the ditch!), but turn VSC "Off" when struggling in snow.

This is great info. Thanks

Question about siping. Does siping your tires shorten the life span of your tires or not? For someone like me I only go up to the snow a few times a year and it’s not really worth the money for me to buy dedicated snow tires. Sniping seems to be the more economical solution for me. It seems it may improve traction in the rain too.

Thanks
 
Factory Dunlop tires were unusable in 6 inches of snow

After the first big snow ,6 inches, since buying this 2024 TRD off-road model, I backed out of the garage and immediately experienced poor traction. Shifted from 2HI to 4HI and it moved 10 feet with a lot of slipping. The next section In my drive way is uphill and the 4Runner not only had poor traction but began sliding to the right which is down hill towards my pond. I got it back into my garage .
Took my tractor and cleared the garage area and long driveway to the street. Ordered new BF GOODRICH AT K02 tires. Got them installed. The difference was night and day.I drove the 4Runner all over my farm on the virgin snow. It handled like it had excellent traction and gave me confidence to drive downhill to the creek area. The drive up steep the hill in 4Hi was equal to my Jeep CJ-7 rock crawler with 35” BFG AT K02 from a few years back. The tires made the difference by far. The Factory Dunlop tires were OK for roads and trails but not for rough use. They had 36k on them at removal.
 
Tire compound and construction play roles in snow traction but are often overlooked. It's not all about the tread pattern.
 
I’ve found mine pretty poor in 2WD on snow too, especially with more aggressive all-terrain tires. I usually just put it in 4HI when conditions get slick.
 
Why do you run in 2WD in snow? Engage the front end and move on. I've run all my rigs at highway speeds in 4-HI over pavement in the snow for decades without a single driveline failure.
 

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