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i agree with powrguy! that is a great price.
timing belt replacement costs?
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JRZEE2000TR4LTD
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It will be there. Has been for years. I bought a similar kit off Ebay about 9 months ago. Worked great.
The standard time for a water pump replacement is 3.5 hours. Since the timing belt has to be removed to do the water pump the only cost for a new one with a water pump replacement is the part ($60).
My dealer charges $100 per hour for labor, so for a water pump ($140) and timing belt ($60) I would be looking at around $550.
The are some other parts you may want to replace such as oil seals and tensioners, but that is up to you.
To save some money you can check with your dealer and see if they will agree to install this kit for you - Amazon.com: Aisin TKT-025 Engine Timing Belt Kit with Water Pump: Automotive
NOTE - I would pay the $2 extra and get the kit straight from Amazon, with the tensioners you are probably going need add an extra hour of labor for a total of 4.5 hours.
I would also do the exterior drive belts and lower radiator hose...oh and I also recomend this if you are still on the original..Amazon.com: Aisin FBT-004 Fan Pulley Bracket: Automotive
the fan bracket has to be removed for the water pump, so again you are just in it for the parts cost. If you bearing goes bad later the thing is a PITA to replace..
My dealer charges $100 per hour for labor, so for a water pump ($140) and timing belt ($60) I would be looking at around $550.
The are some other parts you may want to replace such as oil seals and tensioners, but that is up to you.
To save some money you can check with your dealer and see if they will agree to install this kit for you - Amazon.com: Aisin TKT-025 Engine Timing Belt Kit with Water Pump: Automotive
NOTE - I would pay the $2 extra and get the kit straight from Amazon, with the tensioners you are probably going need add an extra hour of labor for a total of 4.5 hours.
I would also do the exterior drive belts and lower radiator hose...oh and I also recomend this if you are still on the original..Amazon.com: Aisin FBT-004 Fan Pulley Bracket: Automotive
the fan bracket has to be removed for the water pump, so again you are just in it for the parts cost. If you bearing goes bad later the thing is a PITA to replace..
Your dealership is trying to rip you off and if you have a written quote I think you should complain to Toyota directly.
The T Belt has to be removed to do the water pump, so the only cost for the timing belt with a WP replacement should be the cost of the part. The cost right now for a Toyota WP is around $140 and the TB is $60.
That barely covers the price of the parts....is that friend?
Good to know. I am an 1.5hr from the nearest Toyota dealership, 2hr to the next closest. I'll deal with the other dealership from here on out.
And no, I only got a quote over the phone from the service writer, nothing in ink.
My buddy got everything done for me for less than he thought it was going to cost, so he flushed and filled the trans, tcase, and diff's for me.
I should be mobile again by the end of the week, pics and mods will start then.
Got a OEM kit from Amazon that included tensioner, bearings, belt, waterpump, and instructions for $190 shipped. Pulley holder from Amazon for $50 shipped. Odds and ends from local NAPA $30. Total $270, instructions from T4R.org, one day of my time and elbow grease. Time, money and effort well spent. I'd say try DIY it. My two pennies.
I just recently tackled replacing a water pump and TB, and with a quote of $850 and aftermarket parts prices from my current mechanic, my response was heck no. Get the book out and google the internet. My only advice is take your time. Find a solution to getting the crank bolt off using tools and tricks from the web. Top dead center is easy if you do your homework. Found the TB was actually in great shape in my opinion and did not replace. Check the tensioner and idler pulleys for wear. Saved $500 in labor costs replacing what was needed and had fun doing it.
Rock_Rat
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I think it depends on how often you want to tear your front end apart but at 100K miles if I'm going to change a timing belt, then I'm going to change just about everything it comes in contact with.
It's hard to check these items for their true wear and they may only have about 50K left on them. It might be a bit of overkill but it sure is good insurance and allows me to have a good nights sleep.
There are a lot of ways to remove your crank bolt, ie: "bump your starter" etc. but I recommend soaking the bolt two or three days, invest in the Schley Harmonic Balancer tool and get yourself a Gorilla from the zoo if you don't have any shop air. Total cost for me to replace everything with OEM was around $750. Took about a day.
I had my mechanic do it the first two times but not anymore. These engines e are too easy to work on and the labor costs are ridiculous. I don't expect to go back in the front end for at least another 100K miles. :couch2::couch2:
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Blitzkrieg
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I agree. I cannot imagine going through all the work getting to the timing belt and then not replacing it. Seems crazy to me.
My brother welded me up a tool to remove "the bolt". And yes, that bolt is in there, is a major PITA to remove and without the tool I doubt I would have ever got it out of there. My top of the line Snap-On impact wrench running 180 PSI wouldn't budge it. It is a stressed bolt and does have to be replaced. I had to order one, my Toy dealer did not have one on the shelf.
I am pretty experienced mechanically and by no means would I call the TB replacement "easy".
After all the time I spent getting to it, I replaced the water pump, alternator, all pulleys, all belts, etc... It would suck to do this and have a water pump go out 3 weeks later.
Just my .02 and I would be happy to loan the tool my brother welded up (it worked great) but I would require a deposit to make sure it finds its way back home.
My brother welded me up a tool to remove "the bolt". And yes, that bolt is in there, is a major PITA to remove and without the tool I doubt I would have ever got it out of there. My top of the line Snap-On impact wrench running 180 PSI wouldn't budge it. It is a stressed bolt and does have to be replaced. I had to order one, my Toy dealer did not have one on the shelf.
I am pretty experienced mechanically and by no means would I call the TB replacement "easy".
After all the time I spent getting to it, I replaced the water pump, alternator, all pulleys, all belts, etc... It would suck to do this and have a water pump go out 3 weeks later.
Just my .02 and I would be happy to loan the tool my brother welded up (it worked great) but I would require a deposit to make sure it finds its way back home.
Frontier719
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Frontier719
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Ah sorry forgot to add in the seals. Found the bill. $598 for TB and WP/Seals
I use the starter and a breaker bar for that bolt. Ive done it 3 times this way with no problems. The rest of the job is no problem. For the cost do the cam and crank seals, water pump, idlers, thermostat and hydraulic tensioner. Ebay oem kits are half the price as the local dealerships for me. That aircabin guy on ebay is awesome!
I should add that I built a tool to re-torque the crankshaft bolt out of 1 1/2 inch angle iron with 2 half inch holes with bolts through them to hold the rhs camshaft pulley while torquing. I would encourage anyone considering taking this on to do it.
The pic is just one I took part way through the removal. I have one other that I took of the old belt that was original with 307 000 km!
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Rock_Rat
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That's a real inexpensive tool that looks like it works just great. Amazing that belt didn't go after 307K. Good to see another T4R with more than 300K on it! I wish I knew about the aircabin guy sooner but I still did OK and now I can shift my focus to other mods for the next 100K...finshed up the cup mod last night with blue LED's. Adding a switch operated light to the center console. AEM gauge cluster. Acoustic deadener (fatmat) and new carpet from Stockinteriors this week. CBI sliders on the way in the middle of the month....fun stuff!
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2001 4Runner SR5 Sport Package 308K miles
Airaid and Deck Plate, Toytec Coilovers 890's, OME rear Springs and Shocks, SPC Performance UCA's with a 1" diff drop, Weathertech, PIAA Lights
B&M Transmission Cooler, LC Engineering Equalized fuel injectors
Budbuilt skid plate
That's 190k miles for us english unit folks.
animator
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Normally, I would tend to agree, but from my own personal experience, I had a nice conversation with the parts guys at my local toyota dealership regarding this bolt. I wanted to buy one, but they did not even carry them as a stock item. I asked why not, given that they are required replacements when doing a TB/WP, and they all stated that they reuse them and do not carry them in stock for that reason.
The book says to replace it, but the guys who do it for a living say it's not necessary, and have never had issues with reusing them. For what it's worth, I reused mine. On the next one, I will replace it.
