To Buy or Not To Buy

adkinsadam1

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Hey all.

I am currently in the market for a new (old) T4R, and have found one that I think fits the bill! But with all the experience around on this forum, I figured I would get a few opinions before I wrote the check.

IMO, this car has been taken very good care of. The owner is very conservative, always follows scheduled maintenance, doesn't let RPM get over 3000, etc, and it looks like new. The interior is perfect, and there is not a single blemish on the outside or undercarriage. Never been off road before.

It has 146,000 miles on it. It is a 5-speed manual transmission. I was sure I wanted a manual but after talking to several guys, it sounds like manual is not such a good idea - especially for rock crawling. But good on the freeway apparently. My time driving this truck will be: 60% freeway driving and storm chasing cross country, 30% in town, and 10% rock crawling on trails like Red Cone, Lake Como, etc. I feel that a manual would be an excellent choice for that kind of driving style, but not according to the guys I spoke with. Apparently rock crawling with a manual is a DISASTER?? But what I do rock crawling, isn't really ROCK CRAWLING. It's more just standard off roading in Colorado.

The car is a 2000 Highlander 4Runner. It DOES NOT have a locker, which is worrisome, but I feel like it would be worth sacrificing that for the car. I don't know how many people you'd have to go through to find a car that has been treated so well and in such great condition. I've never seen a used car like it. It's like it just rolled out of the factory. AND it's manual, which is what I've been looking for. I know that I could probably drive it another 250k+, and do my offroading I like to do without a locker (and if I need one later I can retrofit), and to be honest, I kind of really like it!

The car is $7900. So all you seasoned 4runners... to buy? Or not to buy? The owner is looking to make the transaction on Friday.
 
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depending on what kind of rocks you're talking about, it might not be the best idea. Could be burning clutches up pretty fast. I have a 5 speed and I love it.. if you're talking gravel roads then it does fine. Find a picture on google images and post it as to what kind of rock crawling you're referring too.
 
This would be an example of the absolute worst obstacle I would ever go over. Almost everything else I do would be lighter than this. I was talking to an off roading buddy this morning, and he has a manual, and he said manuals are better all around for off road and that this car sounded like a slam dunk! Hmmmm. Maybe a clutch will give me trouble this one time, but the whole rest of my off roading life is going to be great?

Red Cone on Labor Day

But almost all of my off roading will look more like this http://breckenridgecolorado.com/453/mosquito-pass-a-very-unique-off-road-adventure/
 
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Sounds like a great truck, I'd buy it. If it was a dedicated rock rig, the manual might not make sense. but this sounds like a DD that will occasionally see offroad use. Go for it.
 
Sounds like a good one! I'd say if a locker is that important, you can add one!

Sounds like a great truck, I'd buy it. If it was a dedicated rock rig, the manual might not make sense. but this sounds like a DD that will occasionally see offroad use. Go for it.

Auto is better? I've always preferred a manual when using 4wd, but I don't rock crawl at all. I just find it's much easier to control, especially downhill, when using a manual.
 
I had a manual 1998 Tacoma in Colorado and took some pretty mean trails with it. I did have the factory locker, but you could always add one.

Sounds like a good buy. Also, it's a truck, not a car. Call it a car and you'll hurt it's feelings.
 
the trails don't look too bad. I'd love to check them out in my 5 speed but living a couple states away might be a problem. I'd get the manual if you want one that bad.
 
The thing that really kills me about the automatic is that it is only a 4 speed. That is too few gears - let's be honest.

Here is a GREAT video which demonstrates the kind of trails I run. This is my own video of our stock 2006. With a manual, will I be okay in these kind of instances? Thanks a bunch all!

4runner Off Road - YouTube

There are some pics of trails I run at the end as well.
 
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OP are you keeping your 4th gen? Whats wrong with using that for your intended use?

Im sure the trails you posted up are fine for 5 speed. Thats not rock crawling at all.
 

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