TOYOTA should bring the landcruiser prado to the states

[haro]

I cant picture the 4runner on a car frame. Just like they did to the pathfinder

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[CookieRoe]

Amen. If they would just rebadge the next Prado as a 4Runner, I'd be happy.

 

[haro]

:tea:

 

[haro]

hope toyota is not looking to switch the 4runne into this crap

hope toyota is not looking to switch the 4runner into this crap

 

[techno]

The Prado is already here. They just have Lexus badging and no diesel option.

 

[RAD4Runner]

The Prado is already here. They just have Lexus badging and no diesel option.

YUP, GX-470...

hope toyota is not looking to switch the 4runner into this crap...

YUK! Toyota has hired RICERS to design its new vehicles...

 

[LandCruiser]

Your wish has been granted.

Like over 15 years ago.

 

[haro]

Your wish has been granted.

Like over 15 years ago.

Would like it without the Lexus symbol and the extra high price cosmetic that comes with Lexus.
You should try renting a prado when ever you visit another country

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[T4R2014]

Why would I trade the silky smooth V8 for diesel clatter?

 

[haro]

Why would I trade the silky smooth V8 for diesel clatter?

You have options gas or diesel.. I rented a 4cyl turbo diesel. And that was a nice rig. Lot of torque . And a grate mpg

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[LandCruiser]

Would like it without the Lexus symbol and the extra high price cosmetic that comes with Lexus.
You should try renting a prado when ever you visit another country

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You can get one for a little over $50,000 with a super nice interior and every single off road bell and whistle the 4runner is available with, plus all wheel drive and the V8.

And I can mount an ARB bumper and ignore that ugly grill.

 

[shrub1]

I don't give two shits about any of this but I love LandCruiser's signature.

 

[techno]

Why would I trade the silky smooth V8 for diesel clatter?

Obviously you'd only trade if the performance was what suited you best.

Lexus 4.6lt V8 vs Prado 2.8lt Turbo Diesel
HP= 301 vs 175
Torque= 329 @ 3500 vs 332 @ 1600
0-60= 7.8 secs vs 12 secs
City MPG= 15 vs 24
Fuel capacity= 23g vs 40g
Range= 345 miles vs 960 miles

So as you can see, the V8 can accelerate way faster and generate basically the same torque, but it works harder and uses a ton more fuel doing it. No surprise there. The diesel models also have an auxiliary fuel tank to further capitalize on the much better fuel economy.

 

[haro]

Obviously you'd only trade if the performance was what suited you best.

Lexus 4.6lt V8 vs Prado 2.8lt Turbo Diesel
HP= 301 vs 175
Torque= 329 @ 3500 vs 332 @ 1600
0-60= 7.8 secs vs 12 secs
City MPG= 15 vs 24
Fuel capacity= 23g vs 40g
Range= 345 miles vs 960 miles

So as you can see, the V8 can accelerate way faster and generate basically the same torque, but it works harder and uses a ton more fuel doing it. No surprise there. The diesel models also have an auxiliary fuel tank to further capitalize on the much better fuel economy.

Nice

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[rihavens]

As for taking the 4runner and putting it on a "car frame" the Jeep Grand Cherokee is a crossover without a frame. Never has had one. People have done a lot with that platform. It's a sign of the times. Frames are heavy and people want that good MPG mixed with a buttery smooth ride.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Why would I trade the silky smooth V8 for diesel clatter?

I don't know about the 4cyl, but I worked on a Toyota LC200 with the V8 Diesel (was imported) and it was surprisingly smooth.

As for taking the 4runner and putting it on a "car frame" the Jeep Grand Cherokee is a crossover without a frame. Never has had one. People have done a lot with that platform. It's a sign of the times. Frames are heavy and people want that good MPG mixed with a buttery smooth ride.

As a people mover and occasionally dipping their tires on some gravel, unibody works fine. Beyond that, it's questionable. Most every JGC owner (spanning a couple generations, I don't know many who really wheel the newest ones beyond a fire road) I know/knew who actually wheel their rigs have had to weld up and/or reinforce the frames because of cracking and flexing issues.

Not to mention that unibodies have had (and continue to have) issues for decades. Everything from cracks, breaking spotwelds, creaking/snapping/popping (because of the car literally coming apart in many cases), the glues they use to hold the cars together (yes many of the panels/beams are spot welded and then glued together), and other issues. That's not to say that unibodies are inherently unsafe or crappy, just that the quality varies considerably between car to car of the same model. "Buttery Smooth" is a function of the suspension, wheel choice, and vehicle tuning more than unibodies.

For a vehicle that's going to be abused off-road and barely see any pavement, the standard has always been Land Cruisers, Defenders, G-Wagons, Wranglers, ect. All body on frame vehicles and/or vehicles with heavily built "unibodies" using complete tube frames (think like rock buggies or desert buggies). You don't see many organizations in places where there's no roads and barely any infrastructure using Jeep Grand Cherokees or Renegades.

 

[techno]

Here's a pretty good review/comparison from Australia with the new Land Rover Discovery, Toyota Land Cruiser 200 and Toyota Land Cruiser Prado. Gives a good perspective to the attributes each platform can offer.
https://www.4x4australia.com.au/rev...ota-200-series-toyota-prado-comparison-review

 

[rihavens]

I don't know about the 4cyl, but I worked on a Toyota LC200 with the V8 Diesel (was imported) and it was surprisingly smooth.



As a people mover and occasionally dipping their tires on some gravel, unibody works fine. Beyond that, it's questionable. Most every JGC owner (spanning a couple generations, I don't know many who really wheel the newest ones beyond a fire road) I know/knew who actually wheel their rigs have had to weld up and/or reinforce the frames because of cracking and flexing issues.

Not to mention that unibodies have had (and continue to have) issues for decades. Everything from cracks, breaking spotwelds, creaking/snapping/popping (because of the car literally coming apart in many cases), the glues they use to hold the cars together (yes many of the panels/beams are spot welded and then glued together), and other issues. That's not to say that unibodies are inherently unsafe or crappy, just that the quality varies considerably between car to car of the same model. "Buttery Smooth" is a function of the suspension, wheel choice, and vehicle tuning more than unibodies.

For a vehicle that's going to be abused off-road and barely see any pavement, the standard has always been Land Cruisers, Defenders, G-Wagons, Wranglers, ect. All body on frame vehicles and/or vehicles with heavily built "unibodies" using complete tube frames (think like rock buggies or desert buggies). You don't see many organizations in places where there's no roads and barely any infrastructure using Jeep Grand Cherokees or Renegades.

I don't disagree with you here. I know there is a large difference between body on frame construction and CUV's. I'm just saying there's a reason all the car manufacturers are heading that direction.