Toytec Boss or Icon stage 1?

[mizak82]

Looking like Black Friday deals I can get the toytec boss kit for 1300. Or the Icon stage 1 for 1400.

Seems like a few more parts are in the boss kit..Diff drop and sway bar relocates, and the spindle I believe are included.

Not sure about the icons.

I want a capable rig but 95% will be on road. Might move to Colorado in a year or two. So I'd like it prepared for that terrain.

I see the valving is the opposite. Icons are digressive and the boss are progressive. Not sure I understand which is better for on road performance mainly.

Also wondering what kind of mileage you get out of these coilover set ups. I see the icon are rebuildable. Is that a good thing? Do they not last as long?



What do you guys say?


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[t-man]

Looking like Black Friday deals I can get the toytec boss kit for 1300. Or the Icon stage 1 for 1400.

Seems like a few more parts are in the boss kit..Diff drop and sway bar relocates, and the spindle I believe are included.

Not sure about the icons.

I want a capable rig but 95% will be on road. Might move to Colorado in a year or two. So I'd like it prepared for that terrain.

I see the valving is the opposite. Icons are digressive and the boss are progressive. Not sure I understand which is better for on road performance mainly.

Also wondering what kind of mileage you get out of these coilover set ups. I see the icon are rebuildable. Is that a good thing? Do they not last as long?



What do you guys say?


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I don't have all the answers, but the progressive/digressive thing i can answer. Progressive are softer on road, and they get harder as you hit bigger bumps. They will feel better day to day and better be able to handle some knarly stuff. Digressive shocks like Icon are hard and they soften up over big bumps. Many don't like that because if you get really knarly they are really soft and you will bottom out and otherwise not have great handling, at least that's my understanding.
As for my opinion, from everything I've read over the last few years I'd personally go with the Boss system. I don't like the digressive valving and I want a comfortable ride around town and on the way to the trail with the ability to jump into some hairy shit without issue! :girl: Or not-so-hairy in her case <---

 

[Inv4drZm]

I would say either coilover if they are taken care of well, washed when they get dirty, wear one of those socks around them, most would last at least as long as 40k miles. There are a few early leakers out there but I would say 40k-60k is normal.

Not sure about the valving thing, only that all the Icon's I've ridden in really smooth out bumps at higher speed. You can easily float over dirt roads at 60+mph.

Not that this graph is king, but an interesting read:
Digressive VS. Progressive Damping | DVO Suspension Tech Website


I think digressive valving might be better because it feels less mushy/ more controlled over smaller bumps even if it is a bit stiff, at least your vehicle wont oscillate in the "mushy zone/no dampening force zone" over smaller bumps. Although this might be why my old man says his 69 charger rode like a boat over the bumps. To him the oscillations after hitting the bump were smoother than hitting it and the shocks dampening it right away? I'm probably oversimplifying it, but over small bumps at 40+mph, digressive is like brand new shocks and progressive behave like shot shocks without oil.hwell:

Progressive shocks might be "plusher" for rock crawling low speeds/ high travel. I think this is what [MENTION=101553]t-man[/MENTION] was saying.

I would say for the most part its a tossup, pick which color you like.:tongue1:

But I digress...
:eyebrows:

 

[t-man]

I would say either coilover if they are taken care of well, washed when they get dirty, wear one of those socks around them, most would last at least as long as 40k miles. There are a few early leakers out there but I would say 40k-60k is normal.

Not sure about the valving thing, only that all the Icon's I've ridden in really smooth out bumps at higher speed. You can easily float over dirt roads at 60+mph.

Not that this graph is king, but an interesting read:
Digressive VS. Progressive Damping | DVO Suspension Tech Website


I think digressive valving might be better because it feels less mushy/ more controlled over smaller bumps even if it is a bit stiff, at least your vehicle wont oscillate in the "mushy zone/no dampening force zone" over smaller bumps. Although this might be why my old man says his 69 charger rode like a boat over the bumps. To him the oscillations after hitting the bump were smoother than hitting it and the shocks dampening it right away? I'm probably oversimplifying it, but over small bumps at 40+mph, digressive is like brand new shocks and progressive behave like shot shocks without oil.hwell:

Progressive shocks might be "plusher" for rock crawling low speeds/ high travel. I think this is what [MENTION=101553]t-man[/MENTION] was saying.

I would say for the most part its a tossup, pick which color you like.:tongue1:

But I digress...
:eyebrows:

Hmm, I haven't seen that graph before. Now I really don't know either! Lol.
I've read people that switched away from icon not liking the valving, but honestly all I've had is crappy Bilsteins. Lmao.

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[Brian3676]

I love my Radflo. Dont kkow if you considered them. Great on the street and comfortable off road

 

[gm350reratliff]

Between the two, I'd recommend Icon. Much better built coilover and fully re-buildable. I have some Icons on my 5th gen and find the ride just about perfect. The Icons will come with swaybar relocation blocks but don't worry about the diff drop spacers, this platform doesn't really need them.

 

[flipflopnfly]

The Boss front/rear kit I put on seems alright, Icon may be better for the small price difference. I don't have a ton of experience with suspension kits, had a Baja factory kit on a Tacoma, Bilsteins on a Tacoma.

I think the two kits provide the same wheel travel. It was a tough choice for me, but being a cheapskate and hearing good things about the Boss I went Boss.

One thing I like about the Boss is the rear shock shafts have a flat area machined on the shaft below the lower bushing so you can get a crescent wrench on the shaft to install/remove. These 4Runner rears are godawful hard to remove/install trying to hold the shock shaft and remove the top nut.

 

[pipo6007]

So which lift kit did you end up with? I am considering the two as well.

 

[alpinhi]

I to was leaning towards the Boss but with black fri deals going I ended up purchasing the Icon stage 1. I have coil spacers on now and anything is better than these IMO.

 

[mizak82]

I'm going to go with the boss set up. It seems to be better designed for my needs. I don't really off road. But just need it capable. I want the lift and adjustability really. And the few bucks I save going with the boss (that comes with more parts in the kit) I will also purchase my ancillary suspension parts. Sway bar bushings and end links.


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[chmura]

I would go with Icon Stage 1. I off road ALOT and the front coil overs held up very well. I would stay away from the rear Icon VS 2.0 shocks. 3 leaked on me and I am switching brands of shocks for the rears only.

 

[alia176]

I scrounged together a hybrid kit that seems to garner a fair amount of praise. 6112s for the front and 2" lift Icon VS 2.0 shocks + springs for the rear. The rear units came to me used but look to be in decent shape. I'm hoping this combo will perform decently for my use.

It's all about expectations aligning with the wallet size in my opinion. This will be an over-landing rig so won't be doing the Baja 500 or serious rock crawling. narrow 32" tires are my target size and this combo should produce a good on road and off road manners.