LandCruiser
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No, that's just something the Tacoma forum people say to justify 50 year old technology on a truck sold in the 21st century. This is a nonissue, otherwise Toyota wouldn't offer them on EVERY OTHER VEHICLE THEY MAKE.
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No, that's just something the Tacoma forum people say to justify 50 year old technology on a truck sold in the 21st century. This is a nonissue, otherwise Toyota wouldn't offer them on EVERY OTHER VEHICLE THEY MAKE.
BigCountryT4R
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Yep, agreed. It's better to have disc brakes because it will clean them when you drive with rain, wind, etc. The salt would get trapped in the drum brakes and corrode and then it would be a pain to pop that drum off. My 2000 Camry drums in the back do this after a bad winter (even in texas with them salting the roads). None of my newer cars with disc brakes have had an issue.
BigCountryT4R
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Seems you don't have much experience with working on cars....
LandCruiser
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My 2010 Sierra had drums. After a year and a half in Colorado they were completely nonfunctional. I only found out, since they had no real braking power to begin with, when the front rotors started to warp from the increased work.
Horsethief
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I would say ALL Toyota 4x4's (T4R, Sequoia, Tundra, Taco) are out of date compared to their competitors in all but reliability. It's a fair trade-off perhaps, but none of these vehicles are "modern".
Horsethief
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This always makes me laugh too. They tout Toyota reliability, then dismiss the lack of modern features as "having less to break".
I'm sorry, I'm confused...I thought Toyotas DIDN'T break? Or is it that Toyota is not capable of designing modern features to be reliable? I doubt it, there are millions of Corolla, Camry, and Highlanders on the road with all those features, and you never hear reliability issues with them.
And the drivetrain...Toyota continues along with this woefully outdated and underpowered 4 liter and 5pd that should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
They're just lazy AF at updating these, because people keep buying them. It's not about reliability or simplicity, it's all about not wanting to spend the development dollars. I mean damn, the Tundra and Sequoia date from 2008! And I just read an article about how the next gen Tundra is going to come out even later than expected!
BigCountryT4R
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Agreed. They could all use some major updates. But they updated the 2020 either way. And it’s still a hot seller.
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BigCountryT4R
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I wouldn’t call the 4Runner underpowered. You never driven a 5sfe out of a 97-01 Camry, so you would say different.
The 4Runner gets up and moves pretty good. But I don’t have all the off-road crud on mine to weight it down either.
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jambalayas
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Don't really understand the point of this post in this forum?
In an off-road vehicle, there are other factors in addition to reliability. How much it can tolerate dust, trail damage; how easy to repair onsite and after returning home; how easy to find parts or shops to work on; how easy to modify the vehicle. Outdated models in technology with long generations provide expertise in mods, equipment, parts, limitations and have good resale value. I know people want the look of 4runner with crossover features, but there are enough of those vehicles out there while 4runner is unique. 4runner is easier and relatively cheaper to repair when you hit something because there is less technology. If you want more power than the current model 4runner, that would mean bigger engine or more technology or turbos/superchargers. All that would mean either more weight, more expense or more complexity. When a vehicle is capable of reaching faster speeds quickly, entire design needs to accommodate that, breaks-frame-dimensions and etc. Current generation of 4runner may be the last generation especially pre 2020 models that you could buy out of box a good off road vehicle. Dont get me wrong, I love technology but technology needs to serve a purpose for the main aspect of the vehicle.
LandCruiser
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Taco and 4Runner are "dated." That's why people still buy them since there is nothing like them on the market anymore.
I have almost pulled the trigger on the Taco several times but have never really warmed up to the shit seating position compared to the 4Runner, the 3.5L engine and transmission aren't improved, they're just new, the 4 banger is a boat anchor, and the rear leafs are forgivable but drums aren't since Toyota has the balls to charge over 40k for some of these.
I just find it weird that they keep updating the headlights, infotainment, and adding safety features without at least addressing the rear brakes.
In either case, a Tacoma or a 4Runner fits you. You either need a truck or an SUV, but both are horribly "dated" and I can't with a straight face call anything about them modern--that isn't superficial like a radio or headlights and I wouldn't use it as a reason to pick one over the other.
I have almost pulled the trigger on the Taco several times but have never really warmed up to the shit seating position compared to the 4Runner, the 3.5L engine and transmission aren't improved, they're just new, the 4 banger is a boat anchor, and the rear leafs are forgivable but drums aren't since Toyota has the balls to charge over 40k for some of these.
I just find it weird that they keep updating the headlights, infotainment, and adding safety features without at least addressing the rear brakes.
In either case, a Tacoma or a 4Runner fits you. You either need a truck or an SUV, but both are horribly "dated" and I can't with a straight face call anything about them modern--that isn't superficial like a radio or headlights and I wouldn't use it as a reason to pick one over the other.
adrummingdude
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Allegedly a new Tundra is coming soon. If it can be had in a diesel 4WD configuration with a rear locker, the 4runner immediately goes to the wife....well, you know, as long as the new Tundra doesn't have drum brakes.
We bought a Tacoma a little over a month ago to go along with our 2016 4runner. Naturally, the brand new Tacoma seems more "advanced" in some aspects than the '16 4runner (mostly technology/media stuff). I personally feel there is a build quality difference (in favor of the 4runner), but we love both so far.
Congrats on your truck!
Congrats on your truck!
Everything I’ve heard about the new Tundra says no diesel option. Some kind of hybrid and a twin turbo v6
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I just did the same thing two weeks ago OP.
With the travel trailer we bought in August and the amount of camping we do, the higher tower capacity and a bed to throw dirty/PNW wet shit into made me start looking.
After finding out that not only did it come with proper headlights and all the tech plus you can choose whatever color you want at lower trim levels instead of having to dish out $50k for a TRD Pro, I was fully on board (I ****ing love Voodoo Blue, but not $50k love)
I have no issues with the drivetrain even with the automatic. It moves how I need it to and I'm getting noticeably better gas mileage even just doing the seven mile urban commute to work round trip.
Seattle apartment underground garage life dictates no ability to own a full size, so the Tacoma hit most of the check boxes I need.
I loved the 4Runner. I also love my new Tacoma. Even made sure to swap the wheels over for good measure.
With the travel trailer we bought in August and the amount of camping we do, the higher tower capacity and a bed to throw dirty/PNW wet shit into made me start looking.
After finding out that not only did it come with proper headlights and all the tech plus you can choose whatever color you want at lower trim levels instead of having to dish out $50k for a TRD Pro, I was fully on board (I ****ing love Voodoo Blue, but not $50k love)
I have no issues with the drivetrain even with the automatic. It moves how I need it to and I'm getting noticeably better gas mileage even just doing the seven mile urban commute to work round trip.
Seattle apartment underground garage life dictates no ability to own a full size, so the Tacoma hit most of the check boxes I need.
I loved the 4Runner. I also love my new Tacoma. Even made sure to swap the wheels over for good measure.
lots actually , obviously you have no experience what constant salt spray splashing on callipers (especially rear ones) do to them . . Getting advise from someone who lives in Texas on what salt does to a vehicle is quite humorous .
this is me putting my winter rims on my rig in my shop , don't work on cars much nope ... don’t have a clue what i’m talking about
winter tires are for snow and steel rims are for the “SALT “ so ya don’t ruin yer alloy ones incase ya wern’t sure ,
all in good humor
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BigCountryT4R
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Good for you, but my comment as well as others still stands. Drums have more issues with salt and rust than the disc brakes do or I wouldn't have had to deal with it on my Camry every year or so after driving in the snow/ice that we do get every year in North Texas. And yes, we get salt/gravel on the roads all the time when that happens.
thennen
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Sweet!
