Upgrade ball joints?

Lol so because yours look pretty and have cool markings on them these OEM's are cheap?

Lol your a presumptuous and insecure fanboy. I don't ever remember saying any of that about the OEM ones. I just said they look cheap and I even blamed the pics.

If buying OEM makes your panties wet I don't care. I just hate when fanboys try to scare people into believing them by exaggerating a statistically insignificant number of incidents about a manufacturer. I'm still waiting for facts that prove Moogs are junk. BTW, Toyota factory installed bad balljoints on several models of trucks for several years. But you'll just close your eyes and pretend that didn't happen, right?
 
Lol your a presumptuous and insecure fanboy. I don't ever remember saying any of that about the OEM ones. I just said they look cheap and I even blamed the pics.

If buying OEM makes your panties wet I don't care. I just hate when fanboys try to scare people into believing them by exaggerating a statistically insignificant number of incidents about a manufacturer. I'm still waiting for facts that prove Moogs are junk. BTW, Toyota factory installed bad balljoints on several models of trucks for several years. But you'll just close your eyes and pretend that didn't happen, right?

Damn calm down, I'm not even arguing about OEM. I just recommended them because they have worked very well for me. All I did was recommend them and post a pic. You replied "they look like cheap junk compared to the moogs". It probably is the pics.
 
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So I'll chime in here becuase I too was tired of this discussion and decided to reach out to the Manufacturer directly. Here was my first email to them:

From: Mike B
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: OEM parts compared to Aftermarket parts

Hello,

I’m hoping that someone can assist me in a question regarding the manufacturing of your parts. I’m part of several online auto enthusiast websites pertaining to Toyota 4x4 Trucks and SUVs. On these sites there have been many debates that state OEM Toyota suspension and steering parts (particularly Upper/Lower ball joints and Tie Rod Ends) are far superior to any aftermarket brands. (Such as Moog, Altrom, and Napa Premium parts). Toyota enthusiasts are very loyal to OEM parts due to the durability and longevity of the Toyota brand.

The big debate that keeps coming up is that people state that the Sankei 555 parts that are purchased at aftermarket auto stores are in fact NOT the same quality as the Sankei 555 OEM parts that are sold at dealerships. Many arguments state that Sankei 555 sells many parts under various other names (Altrom, Ultra-8) only to find that when the part is opened there is a 555 stamped on the product but that this product is less superior compared to a part sold to a manufacturer or an aftermarket parts store.

I’m really hoping someone from your company can clear up this debate once and for all. Are the Sankei 555 parts sold at parts stores different in quality or materials than those sold as OEM dealership parts? Or are there different grades of product ranging from “economy to premium” and if there are can you please state the differences in each?

Thanks

-Mike B

I first received a response from the contact for North America saying he was traveling and would get back to me, a few months went buy and I forgot about it and then followed up to which they responded this:

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:41 AM
To: Mike Benincasa
Subject: Re: OEM parts compared to Aftermarket parts

Dear Mr. Mike Benincasa,

I thought I sent you a message below.
Sorry that I did not reply you.

1. Sankei is not an OEM supplier but has been supplying our suspension and steering parts to North American Aftermarket through our customers for more than 45years.

2.Our products are designed and manufactured with our own engineering and technical standards, which are “equal” or “exceeding” to OEM quality. In fact, we have a high reputation as a qualityproduct manufacturer and supplier.

3. Sankei does not have different grades of product, though in these days, some American parts manufacturers and distributors have so called the “Premium” and the “Economy” which is lower grade of product coming from low cost countries. Our Sankei products are supplied for the aftermarket as the “Premium” through our customers.

Best regards,
Taro Yamazaki


So from the manufacturer:

1. Sankei 555 is NOT and OEM Part.
2. Sankei 555 does not have different grades but they are BOXED differently by resellers.


I reached back out again for some further questions just to clarify if they are all made in the same facility/country etc but have not yet heard back. I think I"m going to send him the link to this site and let them see what's being said and maybe they can answer directly.
 
My question to you would be, would they tell you the truth?
Is it all a big conspiracy? Is Toyota trying to take over the world?
 
Well one thing I learned even it now I'm still undecided is this is going to cost me a lot less then I first anticipated. That's great news lol!
 
For those who were asking, the zerk fitting for the Moog LBJ's is located on the side. It has a black plastic cap and then you untwist and screw in the zerk. It comes standard on the Moog LBJ.
 
I had a chance to take alook at some brand new Raybestos lower ball joints which were branded Sankei 555.

One thing that stood out to me was that the movement of the joint was NOT smooth at all. It almost felt like it was grinding. I thought it might have been a defect, but it was like that on both left and right hand side joints. I took the dust boot off and upon closer inspection, the ball was not a traditional smooth polished ball. It had "step" ridges on it. I called Raybestos to see if it was a design flaw and they said it was normal. I guess the ridges "catch" the grease and help distribute it within the joint.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or could comment on their Sankei 555 joints? Good design or bad? Like I said, the movement of the ball within the joint is NOT smooth at all, I've never seen a ball joint like this. With a smooth, polished ball, the force would be distributed evenly within the ball. With a design like this, the pressure is focused on the "ridges", and these "ridges" might also slowly carve away at the housing.
 
Use only OEM for this job!

Well I cannot speak of personal experience because I have maybe 2,000 miles on them. I also put Permatex grease on all rubber once I have installed it. 5K miles seems wayy too early for boot failure. But if the mechanical operation of the ball joint seems on point, the part is doing its job. I just dont get why the boots are tearing prematurely.

I do know that Federal Mogul are OEM ball joint manufacturers so most of these products are just being boxed differently and sold by the dealers.



Yes. The Moog Problem Solvers are awesome! Some of their parts are a little tough, like they over-engineered, but where it is permitable, it is nice to have.
These are the sway bar end links I installed a week ago. The zerk fittings are nice!
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I have personally experienced the extreme cost and danger involved in purchasing NON-OEM lower ball joints!

Don’t do it! My MOOG’s wore out after 3 months and popped on the highway.

I am actually in the process of looking for a heavy duty upgrade to this 3rd gen engineering flaw from Toyota! Really! Come on these have to be the worst design possible for vehicles that are constantly off-road.

Who out there has upgraded with OEM or better parts to fix this problem?

I’m about to rebuild the entire front end from top to bottom and don’t want to waist any more time or $$$$ with this job.

I live three miles down a rough road in NM. Who’s got the same problem?

I know you’re out there...
 

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