Why Modify a TRD Pro?

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First my disclaimer, I have been pretty well immersed throughout the entire forum since securing my Pro but am yet to find a sound answer. I will give my conclusion at the end but I need to know if I am too far off base. I also did not want to hijack the "4runner TRD Pro" thread so thought a clean start would be fitting.

Why all the Modifications on a TRD Pro?

The definition in my book of a "modification" is different than "accessory" but that seems to be muddied throughout this site. I have plenty of "accessories" (or even "upgrades") in route already. Things like a roof rack, ladder, awning, rain visors, sliders, stickers, custom cargo boxes in the rear all fall under the accessory column for me.

Upgrades are things like the winch & bumper, Fender paint, yellow fog lights, murdering out the lettering, tinting the windows, adding a switch and dongle for anytime back up camera and even putting cup holders in the bumper (thank you [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] for that genius idea) These are all just improving what already exists due to personal preference.

Considering the manufactures build package of a TRD Pro, and why I bought one, I do not see the need for true modifications. There are only two things I am doing that might qualify as mods. Adding the spidertrax to the wheels, but that is simply to improve the looks, to my eye, and changes nothing in performance...okay, maybe .015% like some have mentioned, but it really is modifying just the looks, like paint. The other is extending the differential and eLocker breathers using [MENTION=120701]Cymon[/MENTION] excellent thread. In that though I am again not exactly modifying Toyota's specs, just extending the depth of water crossings.

So it kind of boils down to this for me, out of sheer vanity and ability to take more gear with me on long trips into the woods, water and desert I will adorn my new baby with accessories and minor upgrades. I will not create a "Build Page" but maybe an accessory page and snap tons of pictures.

i am still seriously confused by the term "modification" or "mods" getting tossed around here. It may just be an anal tweak in my brain in how I respond to improper semantics, but there are things I see people doing that are truly modifying their trucks and I don't see the need. Where I am currently locked up is in the desire to add shocks, spacers, ginormous tires, cutting out fenders and metal to squeeze them in and get higher. I think I get it when people have the SR5 and are modifying them to improve their range and looks, but having personally taken a rental 2WD SR5 from the bottom of Death Valley to the 8133' parking lot at Mahogany Flat in the same day, ALL 4Runners already have an amazing ability inherently built into them already and should not need true modifications made.

Putting the SR5 example aside and focusing on the Pro (again, I love them all) WHAT true modifications are people doing to their Pro's and WHY?

I do not ask this to create a divide or better than thou anything, I truly want to know, other than accessories and upgrades, what else can I expect to add to my list of future modifications?

Thank you all!
 
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First my disclaimer, I have been pretty well immersed throughout the entire forum since securing my Pro but am yet to find a sound answer. I will give my conclusion at the end but I need to know if I am too far off base. I also did not want to hijack the "4runner TRD Pro" thread so thought a clean start would be fitting.

Why all the Modifications on a TRD Pro?

The definition in my book of a "modification" is different than "accessory" but that seems to be muddied throughout this site. I have plenty of "accessories" (or even "upgrades") in route already. Things like a roof rack, ladder, awning, rain visors, sliders, stickers, custom cargo boxes in the rear all fall under the accessory column for me.

Upgrades are things like the winch & bumper, Fender paint, yellow fog lights, murdering out the lettering, tinting the windows, adding a switch and dongle for anytime back up camera and even putting cup holders in the bumper (thank you [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] for that genius idea) These are all just improving what already exists due to personal preference.

Considering the manufactures build package of a TRD Pro, and why I bought one, I do not see the need for true modifications. There are only two things I am doing that might qualify as mods. Adding the spidertrax to the wheels, but that is simply to improve the looks, to my eye, and changes nothing in performance...okay, maybe .015% like some have mentioned, but it really is modifying just the looks, like paint. The other is extending the differential and eLocker breathers using [MENTION=120701]Cymon[/MENTION] excellent thread. In that though I am again not exactly modifying Toyota's specs, just extending the depth of water crossings.

So it kind of boils down to this for me, out of sheer vanity and ability to take more gear with me on long trips into the woods, water and desert I will adorn my new baby with accessories and minor upgrades. I will not create a "Build Page" but maybe an accessory page and snap tons of pictures.

i am still seriously confused by the term "modification" or "mods" getting tossed around here. It may just be an anal tweak in my brain in how I respond to improper semantics, but there are things I see people doing that are truly modifying their trucks and I don't see the need. Where I am currently locked up is in the desire to add shocks, spacers, ginormous tires, cutting out fenders and metal to squeeze them in and get higher. I think I get it when people have the SR5 and are modifying them to improve their range and looks, but having personally taken a rental 2WD SR5 from the bottom of Death Valley to the 8133' parking lot at Mahogany Flat in the same day, ALL 4Runners already have an amazing ability inherently built into them already and should not need true modifications made.

Putting the SR5 example aside and focusing on the Pro (again, I love them all) WHAT true modifications are people doing to their Pro's and WHY?

I do not ask this to create a divide or better than thou anything, I truly want to know, other than accessories and upgrades, what else can I expect to add to my list of future modifications?

Thank you all!

Want vs need. You could leave your pro stock and just load up the rear cargo when needed. As soon as you add the roof rack, which I'm assuming you'll load with extra weight, and then your cargo boxes,etc you might need new suspension for the added weight. You are basicallypaying for an appearance pacage with the pro. Yes there are the shocks with the 1" lift, but you could do that far cheaper starting at the same place then adding it. Been argued quite extensively. It becomes a "just one more thing" issue and before long you've spent way more than you intended.
 
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To make it better/cooler/more capable/etc... in my opinion if you buy a TRD Pro you're just paying for the cool paint color and slight bodywork alterations, the pro suspension isn't much different and most switch it out for a higher lift anyways.
 
To make it better/cooler/more capable/etc... in my opinion if you buy a TRD Pro you're just paying for the cool paint color and slight bodywork alterations, the pro suspension isn't much different and most switch it out for a higher lift anyways.



The color got me I'd say, but everyone always leaves out the crawl mode. That's it best feature to me... I have yet to use it though lol so I'm going off of videos


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The color got me I'd say, but everyone always leaves out the crawl mode. That's it best feature to me... I have yet to use it though lol so I'm going off of videos


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The Trail edition has the same crawl control feature so it's not unique to the pro.
 
The Trail edition has the same crawl control feature so it's not unique to the pro.



I was told at toyota (for what that's worth) that it was getting phased out. Nice to know though, because I didn't know. I had an H2 and traded in my Range Rover for my 4runner. So I'm still new to the 4runners. My oldest car is a Lexus, which is why I went with toyota.


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I was told at toyota (for what that's worth) that it was getting phased out. Nice to know though, because I didn't know. I had an H2 and traded in my Range Rover for my 4runner. So I'm still new to the 4runners. My oldest car is a Lexus, which is why I went with toyota.


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I'm not sure what the future plans for the new model trucks are but my 2016 trail edition has the crawl control and the rear locker. The same things that the pro edition has. The suspension on the pro edition is upgraded as compared to the trail.
 
I kind of agree the the OP on mod vs accessory thing. Bolting on something is more of an accessory thing to me and lord knows we like to bolt all sorts of things on. Mods are more of changing the mechanical aspects or changing the body shape, mounts, ect. but that is just my personal view. As for buying the pro, I had multiple reasons, better shocks for the type of terrain I'm mostly in, better tires, better resale, and the appearance, and the parts are covered under warranty. When the warranty runs out, I may upgrade shocks and push it upward but until then it will stay stock plus a few accessories, which are already on, sliders, behind the grill light bar, canvasback cargo liners, husky floor liners. I might add a few other accessories in the future, been eyeballing roof racks and awnings but haven't decided on which ones I might want to drop the money on.
 
can we just call them 4runners instead of pros?

Careful man, judging from the response I got posting anything critical about the Pro over on the Pro color thread, everyone here needs to be careful about what they post from now about the Pro models....people can get hurt!
 
I am calling the Pro a Bro from now on cuz we are all brothers here...And I completely agree with the OP, why modify a vehicle you bought with upgrades already installed from the factory? The Bro is a Trail edition with an appearance package and slightly improved suspension. So..That is why I bought the non appearance packaged Trail edition. In case I decided to upgrade major things like suspension, etc...I wouldn't be paying extra twice. Sound logical?:wow:
 
Man i love this forum. Great points of view across the board.

And not this guy, everyone can say what they want how they want, opinions roll off my back like water off a ducks back for me. I left my feelings back at basic training 20 years ago haha!

I am looking at the facts really and you all are making sense. What is on the stock "trim package" of a Pro is what I would be going for to start with. Buying the appearance package, call it what you want, I get to roll it into my trucks financing and get the warranty coverage and know it is installed proper and not by a shop or buddy or god forbid, ME, so that is nice. I do like the color of the Cement, but yes Vinyl would answer any paints desire. I like the tires, rims, crawl... all of that and from what I could tell last year when I started this adventure, no matter what trim package I start with, the final price after adding what i wanted that is "beefier" would work out to be about the same, YMMV.

I thought of another basis for deciding what makes a mod vs. accessory. At the end of the day if i can return it to stock it was an accessory... that said I guess the SSO Slimline would be a modification since I will be cutting out a third of my bumper.

Anyway, lots of good points made already, and I will readily admit that a couple years from now when the tires NEED replaced and I have another 1/2 ton of armor, recovery equipment and an RTT strapped to it I will probably be looking to beef up the suspension...or, if the tulip mania is still bubbling with the not so level headed Pro buyers, I could sell it for a positive "investment" and have a hefty down payment on the next round. (okay, that might have been stretching it a bit but you have to admit that Pro badge is currently carrying an enormous premium)

All told, it IS a 4Runner, and that is what I already call it, Brothers (and Sisters)
 
Want vs need. You could leave your pro stock and just load up the rear cargo when needed. As soon as you add the roof rack, which I'm assuming you'll load with extra weight, and then your cargo boxes,etc you might need new suspension for the added weight. You are basicallypaying for an appearance pacage with the pro. Yes there are the shocks with the 1" lift, but you could do that far cheaper starting at the same place then adding it. Been argued quite extensively. It becomes a "just one more thing" issue and before long you've spent way more than you intended.

So this is pretty close to the decision I am trying to make... I know I am going to load up my rig, I camp and kayak and bike and make things go bang and any given thing. Every truck i have had sags when I load up for a trip into the back country. Can't I assume that the stock Bilstein shocks that come with the Pro trim are going to be better than my past stock big three trucks have been? I see multiple threads regarding upgrading to these from what come on the SR5 and Trail (maybe) so could that package already live up to my needs?

Maybe a better question than that is this: Has anyone with the stock Bilstein shocks in their Pro Trim experienced any real problems when they are loaded down, thus needing to upgrade?

We all drive different when loaded down than when rough housing but maybe the overlander's here will have some good input.
 
Careful man, judging from the response I got posting anything critical about the Pro over on the Pro color thread, everyone here needs to be careful about what they post from now about the Pro models....people can get hurt!

I am calling the Pro a Bro from now on cuz we are all brothers here...And I completely agree with the OP, why modify a vehicle you bought with upgrades already installed from the factory? The Bro is a Trail edition with an appearance package and slightly improved suspension. So..That is why I bought the non appearance packaged Trail edition. In case I decided to upgrade major things like suspension, etc...I wouldn't be paying extra twice. Sound logical?:wow:
I had to click over to the pro color thread to see what you were talking about and I must say that it did look like your post was just to put there to upset people. Personally I wanted the appearance package and slightly improved suspension. May upgrade later when the shocks need replacing and I won't be paying extra twice. After all, there is a thread on how to put the appearance package on your non pro and people are paying for it. In my mind, Just buy the pro and get the better resale value.
 
So this is pretty close to the decision I am trying to make... I know I am going to load up my rig, I camp and kayak and bike and make things go bang and any given thing. Every truck i have had sags when I load up for a trip into the back country. Can't I assume that the stock Bilstein shocks that come with the Pro trim are going to be better than my past stock big three trucks have been? I see multiple threads regarding upgrading to these from what come on the SR5 and Trail (maybe) so could that package already live up to my needs?

Maybe a better question than that is this: Has anyone with the stock Bilstein shocks in their Pro Trim experienced any real problems when they are loaded down, thus needing to upgrade?

We all drive different when loaded down than when rough housing but maybe the overlander's here will have some good input.


The rear coil springs in the TRD Pro are the same as all 4Runner trim packages. The TRD Pro has the Bilstein shock absorbers that the SR5 and TE do not, but that only affects dampening, not weight loading. In order to carry more weight you would want to change out the rear coil springs with something with a heavier spring rate.

The suspension in the TRD Pro is more designed for fast compression usage (desert running, etc.) which is why they have the piggy-back reservoirs for extra cooling capability. They really have no additional weight loading capability over the SR5 or TE.

Now, whether swapping out rear coil springs should be labeled modifying, accessorizing, upgrading, or awesomeifying, I do not know. :fro:


This has been beat to death and is rich with opinions, but ultimately the TRD Pro is simply a Trail Edition with different wheels, front fascia, and Bilstein 6112/5160 suspension. The Bilstein kit can be added to any 4Runner and retails for about $1,000.

The MSRP delta between the TRD Pro and Trail Edition is about $5k, so yes, one is really getting a "special edition" paint color, different wheels (0.5" narrower and without valve stem protectors like the Trail Edition), and a black front grill valance for about $4k. There's nothing wrong at all with that, but speaking about function and capability, there's nothing else that separates the TRD Pro from the Trail Edition.


That being said, any modifying, accessorizing, upgrading, or awesomeifying that you can do to the TRD Pro is the same as you would do for the Trail Edition. Pretty much the same for the SR5 as well, outside of e-locker breather lines and shifter knobs.
 
Since I recently came over from the FJ Cruiser Forum after trading my FJ on a TRD Pro, I can say that this post is similar to posts about modifying the FJ Trail Teams editions.

To buy a FJ TT and then swap the suspension parts out and upgrade the bumpers, etc. is expensive as one was paying extra for the TT models. Several people recommended skipping the TT edition if they were going to heavily mod their FJ's as they could save a lot of money by doing that.

I think it basically boiled down to those people wanting the special colors that only came on the particular TT models that they had.

As for me buying the TRD Pro versus buying a lesser model and modifying it, I actually do not plan on modifying the suspension or other items. The TRD Pro offered the appearance that I wanted and the systems and suspension packages that fit my needs. So far, there are no mods or accessories added to mine. The most I plan on adding are a set of sliders (leaning toward C4 Fab sliders at this point) and some all weather floor mats. Personally, I never plan on using the roof rack and would remove it if there was a package to make the 4 runners have no roof rack (My FJ did not have a roof rack).
 
I got mine cause at the time I came for a jeep and I was done modifying a ride to the point I hate driving it. So the trd pro looked appealing to me both in what it had from the factory and it's looks. Well I got the pro and shit happens. Now I keep putting things on it like a Christmas tree and I don't care. For all it's worth I could care less about the "Pro boys" or the sr5 or Te guys and this or that . It's a truck we all like and are here for it.. time to grow the f up.

Edit note... the cement pros need their own section lol J/k
 
"The suspension on the pro edition is upgraded as compared to the trail."

I bought a Trail instead of a Pro because I wanted the KDSS upgrade and it wasn't available on the Pro. And because I have no use for high speed desert running ability on the Outer Banks and other seashores. So there's upgrades and there's upgrades.

I even got a Pro color a year early. :banana:
 

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