Wow. How ironic.

[hearno]

Regardless of our differing ideas on things... I fully support the second amendment. That being said, I also believe in responsible gun ownership and severe penalties for those that can't comply with the laws in place. While I don't believe the government should necessarily be able to tell me what can or can't go in my body, the reality is, marijuana is still illegal under most state and federal law. Mixing guns and dope is never a good idea and getting caught usually ends up in a trip to the poke and I have no sympathy for those that get caught.

 

[RunninInGA]

I just think it is slippery since lots of gun enthusiasts have illegal weapons and lots of people have or use pot.

You got a source for this or is it anecdotal evidence?

 

[BrianSD_42]

Well some of my friends and family fall into that category.

Its pretty anticdotal though.

 

[wake_rider]

Why shouldn't it be illegal? Might as well allow any substance to be legal then.

Some may argue and say that alcohol kills many more people than weed. That is 100% correct and I wish there was a way to change that. But that doesn't mean that a drug that builds a gateway to other more dangerous drugs should be legal. If I was en employer there is not a chance in hell that I would allow any of my employees to smoke weed. If they ever pissed hot then they would be on the chopping block immediately.

Oh man, you're way off here. There are far too many studies out that show exactly the opposite with the recreational use of marijuana for you to make such ignorant statements (read, ignorant does not mean stupid, it means that you ignore data). Legalization or decriminalization consistently shows overwhelming declines in harder narcotic use, and lethal overdose rates of both alcohol and opioids/narcotics are lessened dramatically.

Note that there is zero, ZERO possibility to overdose on marijuana. The only way you could ever die from marijuana directly is to die of smoke inhalation (such as what most commonly kills people in house fires), but you would have to inhale the same amount of smoke that you would in a structure fire, so unless you can figure out a way to smoke a 50 lbs bale of marijuana in about 10 minutes then you can definitively state that it is impossible to pass away directly from the use of marijuana.

If you want to join the debate, I would encourage you to do just that. However, you need to bring more than an opinion when there is far more legitimate and research scientific evidence that strongly states otherwise.

 

[RunninInGA]

Oh man, you're way off here. There are far too many studies out that show exactly the opposite with the recreational use of marijuana for you to make such ignorant statements (read, ignorant does not mean stupid, it means that you ignore data). Legalization or decriminalization consistently shows overwhelming declines in harder narcotic use, and lethal overdose rates of both alcohol and opioids/narcotics are lessened dramatically.

Note that there is zero, ZERO possibility to overdose on marijuana. The only way you could ever die from marijuana directly is to die of smoke inhalation (such as what most commonly kills people in house fires), but you would have to inhale the same amount of smoke that you would in a structure fire, so unless you can figure out a way to smoke a 50 lbs bale of marijuana in about 10 minutes then you can definitively state that it is impossible to pass away directly from the use of marijuana.

If you want to join the debate, I would encourage you to do just that. However, you need to bring more than an opinion when there is far more legitimate and research scientific evidence that strongly states otherwise.

I don't believe 1,000 plants qualify as personal recreational use does it? What is the threshold in the legislation to determine personal recreational use?

 

[wake_rider]

I don't believe 1,000 plants qualify as personal recreational use does it? What is the threshold in the legislation to determine personal recreational use?

I don't disagree with you in the least. This guy was running an illegal ommercial operation and had the weaponry to defend his "business" from other criminals looking to get a piece. He was in the wrong on and crossing a line on far too many planes. No excuses for his situation.

I was merely responding to a vaguely blanketed statement that incorrectly and illogically lumped marijuana in with drugs of a completely different composition and threat level. The only thing that makes marijuana dangerous is that it's illegal, ergo its posession or use currently connects you with someone who is engaged in criminal activity. By doing so, you are subjected to the dangers of natural engagement with people involved in underground trade that is unregulated.


To address your question directly I would have to do far more research to be able to come up with any reasonable subjective number. However, limits to plant numbers are truly only valid because of the illegality of ownership. Take away that aspect and the criminal underground can no longer profit from the sales of a naturally produced item, much like every other type of produce. Those who have a green thumb and desire to grow their own produce of any kind will do so, while all others will pick it up from their friends who have their own produce gardens or they will purchase it at the market. Sound familiar? Much like tomatoes, eh?

 

[LandCruiser]

1,000 pot plants and a grenade launcher.
Yeah, he's harmless.

A businessman has to protect his investment...

 

[SV_Dude]

Oh man, you're way off here. There are far too many studies out that show exactly the opposite with the recreational use of marijuana for you to make such ignorant statements (read, ignorant does not mean stupid, it means that you ignore data). Legalization or decriminalization consistently shows overwhelming declines in harder narcotic use, and lethal overdose rates of both alcohol and opioids/narcotics are lessened dramatically.

Note that there is zero, ZERO possibility to overdose on marijuana. The only way you could ever die from marijuana directly is to die of smoke inhalation (such as what most commonly kills people in house fires), but you would have to inhale the same amount of smoke that you would in a structure fire, so unless you can figure out a way to smoke a 50 lbs bale of marijuana in about 10 minutes then you can definitively state that it is impossible to pass away directly from the use of marijuana.

If you want to join the debate, I would encourage you to do just that. However, you need to bring more than an opinion when there is far more legitimate and research scientific evidence that strongly states otherwise.

You're right on a lot of your points. There isn't really any fatal or seriously damaging affects of weed. It is a more or less harmless drug. But it introduces too many people into a mind altering substance and I will never support it. Also, I have known a lot of pot heads - mostly in my early 20's but even now most pot heads I know are all bums and useless to society. In my experience there is nothing good gained from pot. Most people that smoke it are non productive members to society. Sure, there are good responsible people that are productive people that will smoke it recreationally but the majority of the pot heads are leeches.

I know that there are a lot of people who will disagree with me and that's fine. I'm not going to try to stop someone from doing what they want, it is a free country after all. The above is just my opinion.

 

[ndcent]

You're right on a lot of your points. There isn't really any fatal or seriously damaging affects of weed. It is a more or less harmless drug. But it introduces too many people into a mind altering substance and I will never support it. Also, I have known a lot of pot heads - mostly in my early 20's but even now most pot heads I know are all bums and useless to society. In my experience there is nothing good gained from pot. Most people that smoke it are non productive members to society. Sure, there are good responsible people that are productive people that will smoke it recreationally but the majority of the pot heads are leeches.

I know that there are a lot of people who will disagree with me and that's fine. I'm not going to try to stop someone from doing what they want, it is a free country after all. The above is just my opinion.

Those are some of the most ridiculous generalizations and stereotypes I've ever seen. Cheers.

 

[Hepar]

You're right on a lot of your points. There isn't really any fatal or seriously damaging affects of weed. It is a more or less harmless drug. But it introduces too many people into a mind altering substance and I will never support it. Also, I have known a lot of pot heads - mostly in my early 20's but even now most pot heads I know are all bums and useless to society. In my experience there is nothing good gained from pot. Most people that smoke it are non productive members to society. Sure, there are good responsible people that are productive people that will smoke it recreationally but the majority of the pot heads are leeches.

I'm not trying to dissuade you at all and I personally am not into smoking weed, but I know several people who do. Some are the CEO's of multi-million (and in one case billion) dollar companies as well as doctors and a multitude of other professions. Not one of them touches drugs outside of alcohol or marijuana. I know you said that there are productive people, but you also said they were the minority. Sometimes those around you aren't the best reference for the majority/minority rules as they are a small sample of the different slices out there.

 

[wake_rider]

You're right on a lot of your points. There isn't really any fatal or seriously damaging affects of weed. It is a more or less harmless drug. But it introduces too many people into a mind altering substance and I will never support it. Also, I have known a lot of pot heads - mostly in my early 20's but even now most pot heads I know are all bums and useless to society. In my experience there is nothing good gained from pot. Most people that smoke it are non productive members to society. Sure, there are good responsible people that are productive people that will smoke it recreationally but the majority of the pot heads are leeches.

I know that there are a lot of people who will disagree with me and that's fine. I'm not going to try to stop someone from doing what they want, it is a free country after all. The above is just my opinion.

I know far more people that are highly successful and positive for the community who consume cannabis than I do who are more of a burden. From doctors, professors, lawyers, plenty of engineers (seriously, a lot), architects, teachers, and a few of my friends who are on private contracted deployment to Afghanistan as developers/instructors of radar systems on still classified, ultra-high altitude surveillance aircraft making over $800k per year; let's just say that I think you would be highly surprised who you are connected to daily that chooses to consume on a regular basis. The majority would argue against your point that nothing good comes of the consumption of cannabis. One of my friends in particular is a nationally recognized architect who does the majority of his design while he's away from his offices at home. Any idea where his inspiration begins? Admittedly, he will design while both entirely sober minded as well as after he has consumed, but he has said that often when his ideas become stagnant or he tends to find himself repeating too often, that achieving a new perspective can be his greatest tool. Any guess how he achieves that? The problem is that these people in respected positions have to be very, very private about their involvement due to the legality and general negative assumptions made by those who have an unacademic opinion of the plant.

However, the people that define their identities by their use of marijuana (it sounds like you know the type... a lot of beads separating rooms, incense, "duuuude," living like trustafarians on their parents dime) well, those people want to be known as potheads. As such, they perpetuate the stereotype based upon their desire to procure an easily attainable identity based upon nothing greater than a plant. However, take away the taboo and they'll have to find another way to be counter-culture.

 

[SV_Dude]

I'm not trying to dissuade you at all and I personally am not into smoking weed, but I know several people who do. Some are the CEO's of multi-million (and in one case billion) dollar companies as well as doctors and a multitude of other professions. Not one of them touches drugs outside of alcohol or marijuana. I know you said that there are productive people, but you also said they were the minority. Sometimes those around you aren't the best reference for the majority/minority rules as they are a small sample of the different slices out there.

Spend some time in down town Olympia and you will see the types of people that I'm referring to. [MENTION=104905]wake_rider[/MENTION] pretty much defined them perfectly in his last post. Dirty hippies...

I may have been completely wrong about my opinion. I never said I was stating fact, just my experience. Because of my experience is why I have formed the opinion that I have. I will admit that I have never seen someone want to get into a violent rage while stoned so that's a plus.

I will admit that I may have came to the wrong opinion but even at this point I am not pro marijuana. At this point it's a choice. As I said before I will not stop someone from doing it, I just cannot support it.

 

[LandCruiser]

Just because a CEO has smoked or occasionally smokes weed, doesn't mean it makes you successful.

Most professional jobs will either fire you on the spot or send you to some form of rehab if you test positive for drugs/alcohol/weed while on the job.

CEO's, doctors, lawyers wouldn't be successful if they sat around all day smoking weed.

Sitting all day smoking weed makes you into a lazy dumbass. Smoking it occasionally is probably no different than drinking occasionally (no one can prove that casual use has any harmful effects--except getting fired). Buuuut... Colorado is full of people sitting around all day trying to find out how they will pay for their next bowl at the "medical" dispensary, or get it recreationally in Denver.

They're usually sitting in downtown areas aggressively panhandling you, and descend on a town like cockroaches the second the pot shops open up.

 

[wake_rider]

Spend some time in down town Olympia and you will see the types of people that I'm referring to. [MENTION=104905]wake_rider[/MENTION] pretty much defined them perfectly in his last post. Dirty hippies...

I may have been completely wrong about my opinion. I never said I was stating fact, just my experience. Because of my experience is why I have formed the opinion that I have. I will admit that I have never seen someone want to get into a violent rage while stoned so that's a plus.

I will admit that I may have came to the wrong opinion but even at this point I am not pro marijuana. At this point it's a choice. As I said before I will not stop someone from doing it, I just cannot support it.

I can certainly respect your point of view.

 

[Hepar]

I will admit that I may have came to the wrong opinion but even at this point I am not pro marijuana. At this point it's a choice. As I said before I will not stop someone from doing it, I just cannot support it.

Yep, like I said, definitely not trying to change your mind with my comment, but to just look at the other side a bit.

Just because a CEO has smoked or occasionally smokes weed, doesn't mean it makes you successful.

I don't think anyone has stated that smoking marijuana makes you successful. Points were just to oppose those who think smoking weed will make one a useless, lazy hippie.

CEO's, doctors, lawyers wouldn't be successful if they sat around all day smoking weed.

Sitting all day smoking weed makes you into a lazy dumbass. Colorado is full of people sitting around all day trying to find out how they will pay for their next bowl at the "medical" dispensary, or get it recreationally in Denver.

They're usually sitting in downtown areas aggressively panhandling you, and descend on a town like cockroaches the second the pot shops open up.

With most things, it's all about moderation. My points were just to the fact that there are plenty of people who know moderation with marijuana. Whereas how many people are recreational heroin users? Or meth users?

 

[wake_rider]

Just because a CEO has smoked or occasionally smokes weed, doesn't mean it makes you successful.

Most professional jobs will either fire you on the spot or send you to some form of rehab if you test positive for drugs/alcohol/weed while on the job.

CEO's, doctors, lawyers wouldn't be successful if they sat around all day smoking weed.

Sitting all day smoking weed makes you into a lazy dumbass. Smoking it occasionally is probably no different than drinking occasionally (no one can prove that casual use has any harmful effects--except getting fired). Buuuut... Colorado is full of people sitting around all day trying to find out how they will pay for their next bowl at the "medical" dispensary, or get it recreationally in Denver.

They're usually sitting in downtown areas aggressively panhandling you, and descend on a town like cockroaches the second the pot shops open up.

Anyone who does anything all day is normally fairly unproductive. Be that consumption of cannabis, alcohol, food, exercise, knowledge, pills, religion, porn or car based internet forums. You're describing a lack of moderation which is rarely, regardless of what activity it is tied to, productive in a healthy way. The problem is not the substance or the activity, it's the lack of moderation