Wow. How ironic.
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BrianSD_42
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Well since I'm against gun possession charges leading to jail time the 16 years is ridiculous.
And the pot ... I don't think he should get jail time.
He didn't hurt anyone.
And the pot ... I don't think he should get jail time.
He didn't hurt anyone.
hearno
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Exactly. Drug dealers don't have a bunch of guns because they're sport shooters.
BrianSD_42
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So I thought you guys were pro gun?
It seems people here think automatic rifles and military 50 cal weapons should be legal and some of you-all even believe in open carry of those military weapons ..
But
A guy who was not in the commission of using any weapons to harm anyone , had them in his private home should get 10+ years in jail? WTF.
And as far of as the drugs go, last time I checked pot was legal in CO.
Would you CO guys want the government going into your house just because the had a tip that there were some pot plants? What if the government did a raid on a house in CO and found illegal weapons such as an AR-15 converted to fully auto, or a silencer or other banned weapons.
Should the CO citizen get 10 years jail?
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BrianSD_42
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You sound just like a liberal talking about people who like guns.
"That gun may not have hurt anyone YET .... But it will" - every liberal against guns
LittleCaesar
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I am curious to what the judge read about in the popo report to deem this man a scary person.
I know a couple of folks with arsenals that make this guy's stash look downright trivial.
I thought Texas was pro gun for sure. Texas does have its obscure laws though; the Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texan homes because it describes how to make beer at home. South Carolina is better; it is perfectly legal for a man to beat his wife on the Courthouse steps on Sunday.
I know a couple of folks with arsenals that make this guy's stash look downright trivial.
I thought Texas was pro gun for sure. Texas does have its obscure laws though; the Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texan homes because it describes how to make beer at home. South Carolina is better; it is perfectly legal for a man to beat his wife on the Courthouse steps on Sunday.
jbstrd
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Just a guess, but it was not this guy's first go 'round if he got sentenced to 16 years for these charges. Most likely a convicted felon. I am most certainly pro gun, but also completely against felons in possession of the same guns.
BTW- WA has legalized pot now. But, anyone in possession of that many plants would get busted here, too.
BTW- WA has legalized pot now. But, anyone in possession of that many plants would get busted here, too.
KidVermicious
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The guy probably is a thug. But our justice system is founded on a presumption of innocence, and according to the article the only things he was found guilty of are things that shouldn't really be crimes anyway.
jbstrd
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Key words.........
I am pro gun. I will never deny anyone's right to own a gun as long as they are law abiding citizens. Key words... LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!!
Having 1000 pot plants is far from law abiding. As far as the types of weapons, the article doesn't say anything about the types. Grenade launcher... that makes me wonder. You can buy a flare launcher that's the same caliber as a grenade launcher but you cannot shoot a grenade out of it. Was it really a grenade launcher or is that the media blowing things out of proportion again?
I think that legalizing pot is a huge mistake and another decline of our country. Either way, he was in possession of so much pot that the amount that he had alone was a felony charge. Maybe he had some illegal weapons, maybe he didn't. We only know what the article tells us.
I could care less how many of what types of guns my neighbor has. But if he is ALSO committing felony drug crimes then I would be extremely worried.
Why shouldn't it be illegal? Might as well allow any substance to be legal then.
Some may argue and say that alcohol kills many more people than weed. That is 100% correct and I wish there was a way to change that. But that doesn't mean that a drug that builds a gateway to other more dangerous drugs should be legal. If I was en employer there is not a chance in hell that I would allow any of my employees to smoke weed. If they ever pissed hot then they would be on the chopping block immediately.
BrianSD_42
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Actually it is up to YOU and the CITIZENRY to make the case for why something should be illegal and not the other way around.
Meaning .. in America we don't make everything illegal by default and then publish laws describing what the serfs are allowed to do.
Instead we say everything is LEGAL unless it is specifically banned for a reason.
The citizens of CO already voted on pot and determined that it is safe enough for sale.
In order to make it illegal your side would need to justify the argument with facts showing why it needs to be banned.
The statement "why shouldn't it be illegal" just doesn't sit right with my libertarian sensibilities.
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Awesome... thanks for the lesson. I'm pretty sure I explained my stance.
You're right, it was voted by the people. I disagree with it but there's nothing I can do about it.
BrianSD_42
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Well I concede that democracy makes mistakes ... and we don't really know how the the pot laws will turn out in the long.
JayceeP
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I find it odd that some people are more afraid of people with plants than people with guns. I'm pro gun, but if you think society should be free enough for law abiding citizens to own assault rifles, then I don't see why those same law abiding citizens shouldn't have the choice of smoking a plant. Of all places, a country with a mostly private health-care system should be least concerned about it. You reap what you sow.
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hearno
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Just like a liberal would duck the more pertinent question and flame me for what I had to say to muddy the waters... you're comfortable with not jailing felons in possession of guns?
He's NOT a law abiding citizen. 1,000 plants isn't personal use. Maybe I'm cynical but after almost a decade of dealing with "non violent" gun owning dope dealers as a cop, but I can say for sure that I've seen more people shot over dope deals than anything else. Yes, it's usually weed. Regardless of what Colorado has done, marijuana is still unlawful on a federal level. So no matter how you spin it... McGruff had a LOT of weed and a bunch of guns. He's not your average pro 2A guy that shoots, collects, whatever.
BrianSD_42
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Well my position is libertarian which is not the same thing as liberal.
And I never said anything about him being a felon or not being a felon.
His crime is possession of illegal weapons and also pot.
I just think it is slippery since lots of gun enthusiasts have illegal weapons and lots of people have or use pot.
