X-REAS its my turn....

RoyR

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This is the worst F$%^g car I've ever owned!!! The 120k service was $1040.00 - basically just oil 05 4Runner Sport Limited V8 4x4!!!

But wait, we are not done yet!!! Seems it's my turn for the X-REAS!!

LF Wheel Bearing - $950.00
CV Boots - $1175.00 (replacing all inner/outer both sides)
Struts - $1275.00 (both sides)

Going to take the Toyota badges of this thing, and replace them with BMW badges!!!

Could have done a lot of work myself, but that CV boot job is nasty, let the dealer do it!

So, what is the latest on replacing the suspension 4th Gen, Icon, Toytec??
 

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Don't be mad at the stealership, be mad that you can't take care of that yourself. Do some research. You can purchase your wheel bearing from the vendor off here. NJsomething I forgot his screen name. purchased from him before and he's nothing but great. that's $170 bucks. CV boots are no more than 200 a pair depending on what brand, and as far as struts go...you can go with some bilstein 5100's which is no more than 300. what's that like 600 bucks compared to 3000?
 
you could get the wheel bearing from napa or advance for about under 150.00. the axle shafts rebuilt from either range from 89.00 to 159.00. the struts will depend on you liking.

you could do it yourself for a hell of a lot less.
 
This is the worst F$%^g car I've ever owned!!! The 120k service was $1040.00 - basically just oil 05 4Runner Sport Limited V8 4x4!!!

But wait, we are not done yet!!! Seems it's my turn for the X-REAS!!

LF Wheel Bearing - $950.00
CV Boots - $1175.00 (replacing all inner/outer both sides)
Struts - $1275.00 (both sides)

Going to take the Toyota badges of this thing, and replace them with BMW badges!!!

Could have done a lot of work myself, but that CV boot job is nasty, let the dealer do it!

So, what is the latest on replacing the suspension 4th Gen, Icon, Toytec??


120k service OUCH!!!! :shocked:

As far as the CV boots...don't replace the boots...replace the entire axle. It is probably cheaper. CVJ sells factory remans for $99+S/H and refundable core per side. Figure $250 for both and shipping both ways. The job is stupid simple, takes about 20 minutes per side using mostly hand tools. I used an impact for 35mm hub nut but otherwise hand tools. I also replaced the axle seal while I was in there.

Wheel bearing can't be that bad can it? I haven't priced it but if you look online deals can be had. It is also stupid simple to do when you are replacing the cv axle anyways.

Struts...I hear you are better off ripping out the system and putting in aftermarket. Bilstein 5100's seem to be popular. That is your call.

Best of luck...and lube up if you're going to the dealer
 
I have to assume these are Toyota Dealership Service prices? :yield:

Not sure what was included in that 120K service to add up to 4 figures but your really need to find a good independent mechanic if you can't do the work yourself. Those prices are much, much higher than you need to spend, and I can't even imagine what they'll charge you to replace your XREAS.

Good luck.
 
This is the worst F$%^g car I've ever owned!!! The 120k service was $1040.00 - basically just oil 05 4Runner Sport Limited V8 4x4!!!

But wait, we are not done yet!!! Seems it's my turn for the X-REAS!!

LF Wheel Bearing - $950.00
CV Boots - $1175.00 (replacing all inner/outer both sides)
Struts - $1275.00 (both sides)

Going to take the Toyota badges of this thing, and replace them with BMW badges!!!

Could have done a lot of work myself, but that CV boot job is nasty, let the dealer do it!

So, what is the latest on replacing the suspension 4th Gen, Icon, Toytec??

First off, if you paid $1040 for an oil change, there might be the beginning of your issues...

There's nothing wrong with replacing the CV Boots (it's a somewhat common failure as they get higher in mileage if you look on the forum), though the price quoted for both sides seems a bit high. At that price point you're almost better off getting new Toyota Axles, re-manufactured CVJs are not a bad idea as they use quality parts (general consensus is that if you're off-roading a Toyota or CVJ axle is better, for daily driver/pavement pounder the off-brand OEM stuff works okay.) In all honesty I rebooted my factory axles because they were leaking only a little and the grease was clean with no signs of debris; the factory axles are plenty strong and back in the day it was common to rebuild/reboot them (along with a lot of things), cheap aftermarket parts have made it easier to justify throwing away perfectly good axles because of torn boots (though in many cases you get what you pay for...)

Don't even pay the money for the wheel bearing job, you're $500 in parts before they even press them together. Buy a new set from [MENTION=99491]Bumper2Bumper Auto[/MENTION] (good vendor on the forum that makes quality bolt-on bearing assemblies), for about $300~350 you can do both sides yourself (or negotiate a price for labor if you provide the parts to cheapen that almost $1000 bill for 1 side.) I posted what the process looks like on my build thread (along with a small section on removing the XREAS):

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/84725-zombie-truck-2-0-mpav-build-9.html

Finally the XREAS, you can't replace just the shocks when they are leaking; the system needs to be replaced in cross-linked pairs and at that price they aren't even including all the parts required which lends me to believe they may not have dealt with these before (you'd be surprised how few people actually have replaced/messed with them at the dealerships.) You can't exactly fault the vehicle for giving up the ghost on a wear & tear part, hell the fact that you got 120k is pretty impressive considering most factory shocks start degrading after 50k (the XREAS seems to be lasting north of 100k, but after that it starts to leak and such.)

The good news is that it's cheaper, and typically better to go with Bilistein 5100's. Not to mention the swap over is pretty easy. Though if you are planning a lift, now would be the time to start shopping and saving up.

I wouldn't hold what the dealership charges you against the manufacturer, at least not 100%. Dealerships are privately owned facilities that work with the manufacturer, they are not owned or operated by Toyota in any direct manner. As such you'll see differences in part pricing, mark-up, service rates, ect. depending on who owns/operates the dealership, the area it's located in, how well business is doing, how often they get away with over-charging people and still turn a profit, ect. Though on a counter point to that, cars are not cheap to fix anymore; it's not "lets go down to Autozone and get a $20 Cap & Rotor Set." Instead its, "lets get a new dual roller wheel bearing assembly with a built-in ABS Tone Ring, hub to flange o-ring, 4 Bolts w/ washers, entire hub assembly, and oil seals for the back side of the hub! also a proprietary suspension system that is very technical and only made for Toyota."
 
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This is the worst F$%^g car I've ever owned!!! The 120k service was $1040.00 - basically just oil 05 4Runner Sport Limited V8 4x4!!!

But wait, we are not done yet!!! Seems it's my turn for the X-REAS!!

LF Wheel Bearing - $950.00
CV Boots - $1175.00 (replacing all inner/outer both sides)
Struts - $1275.00 (both sides)

Going to take the Toyota badges of this thing, and replace them with BMW badges!!!

Could have done a lot of work myself, but that CV boot job is nasty, let the dealer do it!

So, what is the latest on replacing the suspension 4th Gen, Icon, Toytec??

Why would you EVER have a mechanic do such simple things??? Sounds like you went to the stealership too.
Wheel bearing-$177 complete unit, marion bumper to bumper
CV axle-$53 RockAuto
Bilstein shocks (can put them at stock ride height) $330
Do it yourself grand total: $560

You can find replacement shocks for less and ditch the xreas like that too.
Wheel bearing: 2 hours work
CV axle: 2-3 hours work
Shocks: all 4 shocks, less than 3-4 hours.

Not to hurt your feelings here, but you aren't going to get much help screaming that this is a shitty vehicle when in all actuality you own an extremely capable offroad vehicle that happens to be considered a Luxury vehicle. General maintenance, yes this is maintenance items that wear out over time, isn't going to make me think a vehicle is a pile of shit.
 
Not saying the car is a POS, however that may change if I have to do head job, we know that's on the list with the 4th Gen's.

I can do all this work myself, just did the wheel bearings on my wife's daily driver - renting this car to my boss at the moment, so don't have the "time" to work on it - this is a spare vehicle for me, doesn't get driven that much.

I guess I'm *****ing about the maintenance costs of the stealerships, unreal that people have to pay these prices!

Best car ever -> 98 Ford Mustang, drove the snot out of that thing, and besides normal maintenance, only had to replace the clutch - sold it at 190K miles! :)

I will do the suspension stuff myself - that strut still has some life left in it.
 
Your boots don't look torn, but it does look like it is leaking out the ends of the boot. I cut the old clamps off and replaced them with stainless steel hose clamps from McMaster-Carr. It cost a few bucks for 10. They have rounded edges so they don't cut into the rubber. There's a post somewhere about this which is where I got the idea.
 
:wow:


I kinda wish I didn't ask.

Sorry, probably not what you wanted to hear....the only other car that I beat on like that was a Porsche Turbo (boss's car, I know) - only car that you can spend a day at the track, and drive home like nothing happened - but the maintenance costs on that is another issue.

This 4Runner was only used to tow my boat, but the new boat is bigger, and than job has been passed on to a Ram1500 - soon to be my new "favorite" vehicle - pretty sure this is not what you want to hear either! :)

That said...this looks like it will work, alternatively, I'll go the 5100 route.

http://toyteclifts.3dcartstores.com/Boss-Suspension-System-for-03-09-4Runner-07-09-FJ_p_1059.html
 
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Why would you EVER have a mechanic do such simple things???

I have, and still would. I don't have the time, location, or expertise to do such work. And as I live here in the snow belt, I'm sure that every bolt would be rusted frozen and more than a few would break when I tried to remove them.

So I have, and still would, pay a mechanic to do that work. But I wouldn't take it to the dealership. Those prices look very high.
 
I have, and still would. I don't have the time, location, or expertise to do such work. And as I live here in the snow belt, I'm sure that every bolt would be rusted frozen and more than a few would break when I tried to remove them.

So I have, and still would, pay a mechanic to do that work. But I wouldn't take it to the dealership. Those prices look very high.
Mechanic I can understand, but not dealership. I guess my point was more that you are mad about the price but you got a quote from a dealer that is charging triple. It's easy work, I live in northern Michigan and it was still easy, in fact easiest vehicle I've ever worked on with things like this.
 
Mechanic I can understand, but not dealership. I guess my point was more that you are mad about the price but you got a quote from a dealer that is charging triple. It's easy work, I live in northern Michigan and it was still easy, in fact easiest vehicle I've ever worked on with things like this.

That wasn't my quote. I'm not the OP -- that is Roy-R.

Except for my recent frame replacement and related work, I have my work done by an independent mechanic.
 

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