infamousRNR
Senior Member
:banana: no votes for a rough country lift? :laugh:
You guys will choose my lift...
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Cree
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What do you think this is, a Jeep board?
4-Ripcord
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Never disregard the rear suspension.
For a truly balanced and well tuned ride, you want the front to be matched with the rear in terms of how it is tuned (ie, don't match front kings with Bilstien/ome/tokico in back)
The cheapo FOX rear shocks will be tuned similar, but those particular units have been known to have durability issues. Just get kings all around, do it right!
my paychecks will thank you
For a truly balanced and well tuned ride, you want the front to be matched with the rear in terms of how it is tuned (ie, don't match front kings with Bilstien/ome/tokico in back)
The cheapo FOX rear shocks will be tuned similar, but those particular units have been known to have durability issues. Just get kings all around, do it right!
my paychecks will thank you
theesotericone
New member
Could you make that any less noticeable man? lol
Hope the jobs going well with King. You guys make some of the best shocks on the market. Eventually I'll be calling.
To the OP:
You have Kings on your Taco. You know how they ride. Any "budget" lift will not be as good. Just something thing to keep in mind. [MENTION=116387]Unner[/MENTION] kind of nails it with the buy once cry once theory.
With that said, I have a fully armored rig on 295/70/17's. I went the budget route and am very happy with it's price to performance. I purchased my rig as a DD for my wife, knowing the whole time it would morph into my crawling rig. I went cheap with the lift knowing that all of that would get taken off and replaced in the future. I just needed to buy time to get her another DD.
Since doing that I've beat the crap out of my rig both on technical rock and desert romps. I fully expected to blow all my shocks by now. I haven't. They still ride great for the price point.
I went with ToyTecs non-adjustable BK9602 kit. When I added my front bumper I went up to the second perch on the Taco Billies. That actually made the front ride better then stock weight on the first perch. When I added my rear swingout I put in some ARB 861's. The rear Boss shock handles them fine.
Moral of the story? Get what you want and can afford.
Tyler James Inc
Senior Member
Damn, your Tacoma is gorgeous [emoji1362]
First of all-
To give a solid suggestion, I'd want to know what kind of weight you'll be having in your 4Runner.
Personally, I LOVE my ToyTec Superflex coils. They handle the weight I put in my rig great, and also ride great. A few members here will tell you they won't handle weight for crap, but I believe they all have rear armor bumpers and spares hangin off the back...and then add gear/cargo weight on top of that. That's a ton of added weight. If you plan on that, they won't be adequate- but neither will the SS 1.2 rear coils either(7 wrap LC80 front coils).
I have 200+lbs of dogs, and 200lbs or so of gear in the back whenever we go on any trips. With the progressive rate design, they ride great loaded or unloaded, and aren't too soft when loaded. Of course, shocks play a major role in that too. I had FJ 5100, and they were mostly great, but a little soft for me, so I tried some Tokico black shocks from a '15 4Runner. No bueno at all. Too stiff when unloaded for me. I'll even say harsh. I used to love bombing speed bumps, and having my suspension just soak em up(with the 5100). With the Tokico, bombing speed bumps is not fun, and very harsh. The 5100 are cheap shocks, and I would definitely get KING if they were within reach for me.
I just installed ToyTec's 3" coil on my buddy's rig, and they also ride awesome(I put FJ 5100 on the rear). I used 4Runner 5100 on the bottom perch with OME 2881 up front. The combo feels perfectly balanced, and rides great.
With that said, that's about as budget as you can get- without going spacers or Rough Country.
Like I said earlier- if it were in my budget, I would be on KING front and rear. Without going KING, I'm super happy with the ride of the 5100/OME and 5100/ToyTec with [MENTION=28464]eimkeith[/MENTION]'s brackets.
But again- the weight you intend to carry makes a significant impact.
First of all-
I have to strongly disagree. Anyone who has gotten the Panhard Correction Kit from [MENTION=28464]eimkeith[/MENTION] will tell you it makes a WORLD of difference in how your 4Runner behaves. Aside from raising the roll center(in most cases), having the panhard parallel eliminates the weird "waggy" rear end behavior you'll get.
To give a solid suggestion, I'd want to know what kind of weight you'll be having in your 4Runner.
Personally, I LOVE my ToyTec Superflex coils. They handle the weight I put in my rig great, and also ride great. A few members here will tell you they won't handle weight for crap, but I believe they all have rear armor bumpers and spares hangin off the back...and then add gear/cargo weight on top of that. That's a ton of added weight. If you plan on that, they won't be adequate- but neither will the SS 1.2 rear coils either(7 wrap LC80 front coils).
I have 200+lbs of dogs, and 200lbs or so of gear in the back whenever we go on any trips. With the progressive rate design, they ride great loaded or unloaded, and aren't too soft when loaded. Of course, shocks play a major role in that too. I had FJ 5100, and they were mostly great, but a little soft for me, so I tried some Tokico black shocks from a '15 4Runner. No bueno at all. Too stiff when unloaded for me. I'll even say harsh. I used to love bombing speed bumps, and having my suspension just soak em up(with the 5100). With the Tokico, bombing speed bumps is not fun, and very harsh. The 5100 are cheap shocks, and I would definitely get KING if they were within reach for me.
I just installed ToyTec's 3" coil on my buddy's rig, and they also ride awesome(I put FJ 5100 on the rear). I used 4Runner 5100 on the bottom perch with OME 2881 up front. The combo feels perfectly balanced, and rides great.
With that said, that's about as budget as you can get- without going spacers or Rough Country.
Like I said earlier- if it were in my budget, I would be on KING front and rear. Without going KING, I'm super happy with the ride of the 5100/OME and 5100/ToyTec with [MENTION=28464]eimkeith[/MENTION]'s brackets.
But again- the weight you intend to carry makes a significant impact.
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Silver Supra
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Any other replies? 
I still have no idea what to do. :behindsofa:
I still have no idea what to do. :behindsofa:
Tyler James Inc
Senior Member
Any other replies?
I still have no idea what to do. :behindsofa:
Did you read my post?
For the rear-
If you're gonna be mostly stock weight, the 3" ToyTec coils are great. As are the ToyTec Superflex if you have a little more weight, or want a little more lift.
Definitely do Keith's panhard correction brackets(both).
For the front-
4Runner 5100 and OME 2881 ride great on my buddy's rig.
On the lowest setting, you'll get about 1.75" lift. You have 3 more settings to go above that. My buddy's rig(pictured above) is on the lowest setting with 285/70R17 KO2- for reference.
The OME 2881 are a 500lb rate, while the ToyTec(Eibach) front coils are 620lb rate, and provide a 3" lift.
Again, weight and desired height is important info to have.
Bijan
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Any other replies?
I still have no idea what to do. :behindsofa:
What.... how?
Get this with SPC UCAs
BOSS Lift Kit for '96-'02 4Runner
MN4runnerman
Senior Member
Just send me your money
The 4runner I just bought has the SS 1.2 kit on it.
My previous 2wd I pieced together basically the same the lift with Bilstein 5100's/Eibach 3" springs, Landcruiser 7.5 wraps and Tokico Landcruiser shocks.
Both setups work great for me as a DD, and I imagine will serve me well if I venture offroad.
I did have to install SPC upper control arms on my current ride in order to get it to align within factory specs. Had some nasty camber on the passengers side that couldn't get adjusted out on stock arms. No such problem with the kit I pieced together though.
My previous 2wd I pieced together basically the same the lift with Bilstein 5100's/Eibach 3" springs, Landcruiser 7.5 wraps and Tokico Landcruiser shocks.
Both setups work great for me as a DD, and I imagine will serve me well if I venture offroad.
I did have to install SPC upper control arms on my current ride in order to get it to align within factory specs. Had some nasty camber on the passengers side that couldn't get adjusted out on stock arms. No such problem with the kit I pieced together though.
psraff
New member
I'm not going to give you my suggestions on suspensions because it matches what some have said already and goes against others. My only concern is your very first post and the words "maybe" and "possibility" in it.
I would say find out what your final build is first. What direction do you want and stick with it as much as possible. Tire Size, Armor and Gear Weight matters. You buy a suspension based on what your 4Runner is now and it will change after you add 500 lbs of bumpers and armor.
As someone else also said, "build what you can afford". But if what you NEED isn't in your budget right now, by all means try to hold off for a few months and save up for it. You won't regret it because if you buy a cheaper version now it will cost you more in the long run and you will kick yourself for it.
I would say find out what your final build is first. What direction do you want and stick with it as much as possible. Tire Size, Armor and Gear Weight matters. You buy a suspension based on what your 4Runner is now and it will change after you add 500 lbs of bumpers and armor.
As someone else also said, "build what you can afford". But if what you NEED isn't in your budget right now, by all means try to hold off for a few months and save up for it. You won't regret it because if you buy a cheaper version now it will cost you more in the long run and you will kick yourself for it.
atalarico
Senior Member
So I've had two sets of different Bilstein Toytec lifts on my old 3rd Gen, and here's what I've learned...
The original ones I got were the Tundra 5100s with the grey Eibach springs up front. Everyone said those were the bee's knees and they're the best, blah blah blah. Holy Jesus was that a rough ride, especially with a D or E rated tire. One of them started leaking a couple summers back and I replaced them with the Tacoma 5100s and reused the same Eibach springs and it turned out to be the perfect combo! Plus I went to a C rated Duratrac which helped.
That being said, I didn't have a front bumper, so maybe that was why?
The rears were/are Tundra Bilstein 5125's and OME 890 springs. Without weight in the back, it was really harsh back there. With a full complement of gear, it was better I guess.
Everything settled out to a 2.75" lift (give or take), and I feel that's perfect for what I needed. I wheeled some pretty moderately crazy shit with it here in Colorado and never had clearance issues, or even close! I think I'd do the same if I had to do it all over again, and I just might since my '97 is recently totaled (so...unbelievably sad).
The big downside though is the amount of wear and tear on everything connected to your suspension, so get ready to replace CVs, LBJs, UCAs, tie rods, etc. more frequently than your wallet will like. Don't skimp and avoid OEM too since that means you just have to do it more frequently (ask me how I know...I'm looking at you "moog" LBJs).
So my vote is (Tacoma) Bilstein 5100/Eibach and 5125s and OME something in the rear.
The original ones I got were the Tundra 5100s with the grey Eibach springs up front. Everyone said those were the bee's knees and they're the best, blah blah blah. Holy Jesus was that a rough ride, especially with a D or E rated tire. One of them started leaking a couple summers back and I replaced them with the Tacoma 5100s and reused the same Eibach springs and it turned out to be the perfect combo! Plus I went to a C rated Duratrac which helped.
That being said, I didn't have a front bumper, so maybe that was why?
The rears were/are Tundra Bilstein 5125's and OME 890 springs. Without weight in the back, it was really harsh back there. With a full complement of gear, it was better I guess.
Everything settled out to a 2.75" lift (give or take), and I feel that's perfect for what I needed. I wheeled some pretty moderately crazy shit with it here in Colorado and never had clearance issues, or even close! I think I'd do the same if I had to do it all over again, and I just might since my '97 is recently totaled (so...unbelievably sad).
The big downside though is the amount of wear and tear on everything connected to your suspension, so get ready to replace CVs, LBJs, UCAs, tie rods, etc. more frequently than your wallet will like. Don't skimp and avoid OEM too since that means you just have to do it more frequently (ask me how I know...I'm looking at you "moog" LBJs).
So my vote is (Tacoma) Bilstein 5100/Eibach and 5125s and OME something in the rear.
