Denso IK22 spark plugs after 30K miles of Supercharged driving

Waste spark coils or not that kind of wear on a plug with only what was like 35k, is not normal. There is too much heat in the cylinder with plugs that look like that. Tip almost gone, white color screams heat and detonation. A dirty injector or injectors could be the cause. I say that due to the rich burning plug on the right. Do you have any fuel upgrades like 7th injector dialed in or larger injectors and tuning, larger fuel pump? If you have never done an injector flush with a high quality injector cleaner or had the injectors sent out and cleaned and flow tested it would be a very good idea.
I done care what others do and say or get away with but just bolting on the supercharger a driving away is a bad idea and not really the right way of adding forced induction. Any time you add more air into a motor you have to add in more fuel. The stock fuel system and ecu with 100% perfect/dealer fresh injectors and fuel pump can just barely keep up with a trd supercharger. Now add in an old fuel system and you can have lean issues, ones that may not show up as a misfire code or knock code or even on a wideband air fuel meter. Hope this helps in some way and dont think im being a jerk, this may be well known info to you.
 
Actually the whole reason I'm working on the truck right now is the CEL. It was P0330, knock sensor. So I'm doing TB, water pump valve covers and the knock sensors now. Along with spark plugs. :) And the fuel injectors.

This code may be telling you something. Knock sensor codes can be from detonation being detected. That and the plugs says possible lean in those cylinders.
 
Waste spark coils or not that kind of wear on a plug with only what was like 35k, is not normal. There is too much heat in the cylinder with plugs that look like that. Tip almost gone, white color screams heat and detonation. A dirty injector or injectors could be the cause. I say that due to the rich burning plug on the right. Do you have any fuel upgrades like 7th injector dialed in or larger injectors and tuning, larger fuel pump? If you have never done an injector flush with a high quality injector cleaner or had the injectors sent out and cleaned and flow tested it would be a very good idea.
I done care what others do and say or get away with but just bolting on the supercharger a driving away is a bad idea and not really the right way of adding forced induction. Any time you add more air into a motor you have to add in more fuel. The stock fuel system and ecu with 100% perfect/dealer fresh injectors and fuel pump can just barely keep up with a trd supercharger. Now add in an old fuel system and you can have lean issues, ones that may not show up as a misfire code or knock code or even on a wideband air fuel meter. Hope this helps in some way and dont think im being a jerk, this may be well known info to you.

This code may be telling you something. Knock sensor codes can be from detonation being detected. That and the plugs says possible lean in those cylinders.

How can he be rich on some and lean on others? You mentioned both between your 2 posts.

Also -- did you not see steezemcqueen? He stated he has the same issue on the same plugs after 30k and supercharged.
 
Waste spark coils or not that kind of wear on a plug with only what was like 35k, is not normal. There is too much heat in the cylinder with plugs that look like that. Tip almost gone, white color screams heat and detonation. A dirty injector or injectors could be the cause. I say that due to the rich burning plug on the right. Do you have any fuel upgrades like 7th injector dialed in or larger injectors and tuning, larger fuel pump? If you have never done an injector flush with a high quality injector cleaner or had the injectors sent out and cleaned and flow tested it would be a very good idea.
I done care what others do and say or get away with but just bolting on the supercharger a driving away is a bad idea and not really the right way of adding forced induction. Any time you add more air into a motor you have to add in more fuel. The stock fuel system and ecu with 100% perfect/dealer fresh injectors and fuel pump can just barely keep up with a trd supercharger. Now add in an old fuel system and you can have lean issues, ones that may not show up as a misfire code or knock code or even on a wideband air fuel meter. Hope this helps in some way and dont think im being a jerk, this may be well known info to you.


Yes, it's all well known info to me. The truck does not have any fuel mods. However: it's had the supercharger on it for a long time with no fuel mods, and the way I drive it, i've never had fuel problems. I monitor AFR with the ScanGauge, and if I do get into the throttle, my AFR's are always a nice healthy 11.7. And I don't experience any pinging.

PS. I've built and tuned a custom turbo 2.0L SOHC Neon that makes over 400whp. Tuned completely by me, with standalone fuel and spark management. I kind of know what to look for when it comes to fuel management. And that's why I never invested in a pricey 7th inj kit for this rig....it ran great without it. But I don't drive the 4runner hard. That's what the Neon is for. :)

This code may be telling you something. Knock sensor codes can be from detonation being detected. That and the plugs says possible lean in those cylinders.

It is definitely not throwing the code because of detonation. The code popped on one day when I was idling in the driveway. Truck was running exactly like it always had. As soon as I'd clear the code, it would run great. The randomly within 2-15 minutes of driving (easy driving, like cruising or coasting at 25 mph) the code would pop right back up, I could feel the ECU pull all the timing, and it would run like crap. It's the wire harness or the sensors. It does have 220k miles on it. Now there is the chance that the bad plugs were playing into the issue....but I can't make myself blame the plugs entirely for a consistent P0330 over a 2-3 week period, and never a single misfire code in the mix. If it was the plugs causing the P0330, I have to assume I would have gotten at least one misfire code in there.

How can he be rich on some and lean on others? You mentioned both between your 2 posts.

Also -- did you not see steezemcqueen? He stated he has the same issue on the same plugs after 30k and supercharged.


The plug issue is actually well known. I just didn't realize it was so well known until I looked into it last night. If you want to run single electrode plugs like the IK22's, you won't get 30k out of them (usually).

But to be honest, even with the center electrode missing on 2 of the 3 drivers side plugs, they were still sparking just fine. I'm sure some more miles and they would have broken down and the porcelain would have cracked or the truck would have started running like it had bad plugs.
 
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How can he be rich on some and lean on others? You mentioned both between your 2 posts.

Also -- did you not see steezemcqueen? He stated he has the same issue on the same plugs after 30k and supercharged.

Plugged or dirty injector on the effected cylinder (s) will cause one to run lean. Or a weak coil causing weak spark. Yes i saw another user had the same issue. That does not make the wear on the plug normal. Platinum and iridium plugs so last at least 60k miles but more like 80-90k miles.

Op your scan gauge is not a very accurate way to monitor af ratios you need a wide band and like i said you can be lean in 1 or 2 cylinders and the o2 sensors will not pick that up because they get readings from all 3 cylinders on each bank. The ecu will add more fuel to make up for the lean condition that woukd explain why one plug is a little rich and the other is lean and worn really bad. I really would pull out all your injectors and have then cleaned and flow tested. The stock fuel system and ecu can just barely keep up with the trd supercharger. The ecu can only add some much more fuel and the injectors can only flow so much fuel. In some cases just larger injectors will be all that is needed. Other times full fuel system upgrades and tuning is needed. Do as you wish its your rig if it were me i woukd be worried about killing my motor with what i saw. I have been a mechanic for years and worked for performance shop building turbo supras, hondas, rx7s, 350z ect. Anytime i saw a plug like that there was a heat, lean or detonation issues.
 
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Plugged or dirty injector on the effected cylinder (s) will cause one to run lean. Or a weak coil causing weak spark. Yes i saw another user had the same issue. That does not make the wear on the plug normal. Platinum and iridium plugs so last at least 60k miles but more like 80-90k miles.

Op your scan gauge is not a very accurate way to monitor af ratios you need a wide band and like i said you can be lean in 1 or 2 cylinders and the o2 sensors will not pick that up because they get readings from all 3 cylinders on each bank. The ecu will add more fuel to make up for the lean condition that woukd explain why one plug is a little rich and the other is lean and worn really bad. I really would pull out all your injectors and have then cleaned and flow tested. The stock fuel system and ecu can just barely keep up with the trd supercharger. The ecu can only add some much more fuel and the injectors can only flow so much fuel. In some cases just larger injectors will be all that is needed. Other times full fuel system upgrades and tuning is needed. Do as you wish its your rig if it were me i woukd be worried about killing my motor with what i saw. I have been a mechanic for years and worked for performance shop building turbo supras, hondas, rx7s, 350z ect. Anytime i saw a plug like that there was a heat, lean or detonation issues.

For starters the 02 sensor in the '99 and later 4runner's is a wideband. That's why the ScanGauge can monitor it. I can't install a wideband sensor on each cyl....lol. I'm not sure what you are implying I should do by saying I "need a wideband".

I am getting the injectors cleaned and flowmatched.

And it's not just one other user with the same issue with the plugs. If you look into it, like it did, you'll see that many people, for many years, have seen the same exact results with single electrode iridium plugs in the 4runner, especially supercharged. Which means that can be considered normal plug wear for that plug in this application.


I appreciate the input, but I feel very confident that I don't have fueling issues. I had spark issues. And a bad knock sensor. Sure, the fuel injectors probably aren't great, but that's why I'm getting them cleaned and flowmatched.
 
You dont need a wideband but without a good quality true wideband you dont know the exact real time af ratios. The stock o2 is not fast enough. Since toyota said it was ok to install the supercharger on a stock motor, ecu and fuel system so many people did just that. And yes it is fine in some case. All i was trying to get across is that the line is so thin on a stock fuel system that detonation is fairly common on the 5vz with supercharger many conditions can cause this. Iam glad you getting your injectors cleaned and flow tested. Mark them so you know what cylinders they came off and when you get the before and after flow results you will know if there was a problem. You can even have most injectors increased in size at the same time.
 
I would still want to verify the AF numbers the ECU sees are accurate. I like using the WEGO monitor but the LM is good too.

Just borrow one. Building the turbo neon you got to know someone to borrow a monitor from. Just buy two bungs and weld them into the exhaust beside the bank 1 sensors.

To me 11.7 is stupid rich. 12.7 to 13.1 to me is the magic number.
 
You dont need a wideband but without a good quality true wideband you dont know the exact real time af ratios. The stock o2 is not fast enough. Since toyota said it was ok to install the supercharger on a stock motor, ecu and fuel system so many people did just that. And yes it is fine in some case. All i was trying to get across is that the line is so thin on a stock fuel system that detonation is fairly common on the 5vz with supercharger many conditions can cause this. Iam glad you getting your injectors cleaned and flow tested. Mark them so you know what cylinders they came off and when you get the before and after flow results you will know if there was a problem. You can even have most injectors increased in size at the same time.

The stock wideband O2 seems plenty responsive to me. Sure, the 10ths don't jump around like the AEM UEGO on the turbo car, rather it just tends to sit on an AFR like 14.6, but it definitely changes as soon as I change the throttle position. If I'm watching the AFR on the ScanGauge, and it says 14.6, and then I crack into the throttle a little, it changes within .5 second. It only goes leaner than stoich if I'm coasting. Basically, i've never seen it act in a way that makes me feel like I can't trust it.

I would still want to verify the AF numbers the ECU sees are accurate. I like using the WEGO monitor but the LM is good too.

Just borrow one. Building the turbo neon you got to know someone to borrow a monitor from. Just buy two bungs and weld them into the exhaust beside the bank 1 sensors.

To me 11.7 is stupid rich. 12.7 to 13.1 to me is the magic number.

11.7 is probably too rich for the small amount of boost the supercharger is doing, but I'd rather be rich than lean. Usually when I'm in boost it's between 12.4 and 12.9. The 11.7 is only if I hammer it in 3rd gear.
 
Wow. Starting to rethink my long term dream of SCing my truck. Damn, that's a lot of minutiae to watch after.
 
Wow. Starting to rethink my long term dream of SCing my truck. Damn, that's a lot of minutiae to watch after.

Don't rethink it. :) My truck has 220k miles on it, all supercharged. This engine maintenance I'm doing now is the FIRST major maintenance it's ever needed.

Just be careful with the transmission. If you don't upgrade the valve body, and you drive it hard from a stop, you'll ruin the clutch packs of the lower gears.
 
Don't rethink it. :) My truck has 220k miles on it, all supercharged. This engine maintenance I'm doing now is the FIRST major maintenance it's ever needed.

Just be careful with the transmission. If you don't upgrade the valve body, and you drive it hard from a stop, you'll ruin the clutch packs of the lower gears.
The transgo kit takes care of timing on the shifts I believe... but not a new valve body or clutch discs from my understanding. Thoughts?
 
The transgo kit takes care of timing on the shifts I believe... but not a new valve body or clutch discs from my understanding. Thoughts?

The transgo kit firms up the shifts, which will save the wear on the clutch packs. If you don't want to modify your valve body yourself (with TransGo) you can get a nice upgraded one from IPT on the east coast.

The clutch disks themselves are generally fine, unless you're WOT drag racing all the time. If you supercharge your 4Runner, and upgrade the valve body at the same time, you generally are able to drive it fairly aggresively without any issues. But if a truck has been supercharged WITHOUT any valve body upgrade, and driven hard.....the 1st to 2nd shift get's pretty bad.

My truck's is worn, but I've been able to save it by keeping the fluid super clean, and never driving it hard from a stop. I only open the throttle up once I know it won't kick down any lower than second.
 
The transgo kit firms up the shifts, which will save the wear on the clutch packs. If you don't want to modify your valve body yourself (with TransGo) you can get a nice upgraded one from IPT on the east coast.

The clutch disks themselves are generally fine, unless you're WOT drag racing all the time. If you supercharge your 4Runner, and upgrade the valve body at the same time, you generally are able to drive it fairly aggresively without any issues. But if a truck has been supercharged WITHOUT any valve body upgrade, and driven hard.....the 1st to 2nd shift get's pretty bad.

My truck's is worn, but I've been able to save it by keeping the fluid super clean, and never driving it hard from a stop. I only open the throttle up once I know it won't kick down any lower than second.

My understanding of IPT/Level 10/etc is you have to ship your entire transmission to them. Kind of unrealistic if you aren't in the same state or neighbor state.
 
My understanding of IPT/Level 10/etc is you have to ship your entire transmission to them. Kind of unrealistic if you aren't in the same state or neighbor state.

You pull the valve body and send it to them.

OP I'm running the IK22's, not sure what they look like at this point but I should probably pull them and take a peek.
 
You pull the valve body and send it to them.

OP I'm running the IK22's, not sure what they look like at this point but I should probably pull them and take a peek.

Well, Level 10 -- they also change out all the clutch packs, so they kind of need more than the valve body.
 
Heck, FR4R, they even offer upgraded torque converters for auto trannies. Sky is the limit on what you can spend with those guys.

Website states they do a lot of biz with the middle east. All the royal family million and billionaires and their fleets of sports cars come to mind.

I imagine getting the tranny shipped out there and back is not that simple... last I checked my auto tranny didn't fit in the mailbox :)
 

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