Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

Jetboy said:
I am curious what is going on here in the silhouette below. It's a profile that doesn't match any other Toyota model I'm aware of. My guess is that it's a photoshop issue. But I also thought that when I saw leaf springs in some of the Tacoma profiles and it turned out they are still using leaf springs on some models. So - what could that be? It's not the right profile or general shape for front radius arms - or not if they are anything like any other Toyota models with a solid axle. And it's too low for a skid plate or a transmission to hang. So...??? I have no idea.
Click to expand...
Here it is enhanced, not much help, but here is my guess.

The rearmost element is the rear transmission crossmember. Going forward from there, it is the body of the lower hanging 10 speed automatic transmission.

Does this make sense? No, who would design a hangup obstacle into an offroader? Perhaps, they mounted the powertrain lower in the frame to minimize the interior trans/driveshaft tunnel hump?

qVZyUBIN_o.jpg


Here is the Lexus GX 550 Pressroom photo for what I believe is the 4cyl auto?
XYD02lKV_o.jpg

e0hhkU7f_o.jpg
 
Last edited:
It doesn't look much like the contour of the 10AT or the 8AT. The new Tacoma, LC300, or Tundra don't have anything hanging down there. The rear crossmember looks a lot like the Tacoma profile of the same cross member. The body clearly hangs lower on the frame than the Tacoma - in the Taco the entire rear lower control arms are visible below well below the body pinch weld. On the LC the body hangs down and covers maybe 3-4 more inches of the frame height. But the crossmember part makes sense. If the transfer case sits above that cross member the transmission can't tilt down like that. It would put the engine in the same location that the front differential occupies. I don't think it can be the transmission hanging that low unless it's a new transmission of some sort.

I think it's odd. Probably just an error when they edited the picture for whatever reason.
 
Jetboy said:
GX has a panoramic roof option. I'd guess the LC shares the same option for the roof since they appear to be a shared product. Would be very easy for Toyota to take the pano roof and make it one or two removeable panels. Not sure it's very likely that they will, but the structure is already there. So it's possible to do without major engineering work on the body structure.

However - the bump you see there is the stamping in the non-sunroof roof panel. You can see below that the GX550 without the sunroof has an separate set of stamped structural elements up front. If you look close you can also see the three mounting points for the roof rack with the rubber caps on them on the image without the sunroof. I'd bet that that is the same roof in the teaser image (no sunroof, no roof rack):

screenshot-2023-06-09-at-13-17-04-rekusasugxnosubete-rekusasugx-rekusagx550-5-ri-7-ri-rekusasugxmoderisuta-rekusa-png.3344860


vs

screenshot-2023-06-09-at-13-15-54-rekusasugxnosubete-rekusasugx-rekusagx550-5-ri-7-ri-rekusasugxmoderisuta-rekusa-png.3344862


I am curious what is going on here in the silhouette below. It's a profile that doesn't match any other Toyota model I'm aware of. My guess is that it's a photoshop issue. But I also thought that when I saw leaf springs in some of the Tacoma profiles and it turned out they are still using leaf springs on some models. So - what could that be? It's not the right profile or general shape for front radius arms - or not if they are anything like any other Toyota models with a solid axle. And it's too low for a skid plate or a transmission to hang. So...??? I have no idea.
Click to expand...

I'll be ecstatic if we get a non-moon/sunroof version of the GX and Prado! At 6'5" with a long torso, I need the headroom and I don't want to bake in the Georgia sun.
 
Perhaps I am biased based on former US models but any "Land Cruiser" in this market with a 4 cylinder engine will fail. The TTV6 would stand a chance.

Dropping the engine from a V8 to a I4 is a bridge too far even for such an iconic nameplate. The J100 added the V8 option, the first ever for a LC, specifically to boost sales in North America.

I know tastes have changed but the last non V8 LC sold in the US was what, the J40...in 1984?

Sounds like a big gamble for Toyota to re-introduce what many Americans may consider to be a LC in name only.
 
Yeah, if there is a TT V6, it would have to be for the US market.

And that could make it an interesting vehicle to consider vs the new Tacoma, for me. I spent 4 weeks on the road in the 4R and was thinking about what a switch to the new Tacoma might look like. It is quite a bit of change from a wagon to open bed for someone who has never had a truck and who does have a big dog and who lives in AZ. So along with keeping the 4R and getting a Tacoma, I would also consider the new LC if it does in fact exist in a price that does not exceed by much the Tacoma Overland/Pro trims. A TT V6 would surely make the LC interesting to me.
 
I got curious about the LC250 dimensions as compared to the GX 550. The first thing I noted in the comparison below was that the greenhouse window angles and length are all the same, the wheelbase is the same, etc. So it's clear the underlying structural body cage is identical with only the exterior sheet metal skin being different between the GX 550 and LC250.

Therefore, we can assume the dimensions will be virtually identical with the GX 550:
Length: 197.04" w/ trailer hitch, 194.88" w/o trailer hitch
Width: 77.95" w/o mirrors, 83.22" w/ mirrors
Height: 76.18 in. (GX 550 Overtrail)
Wheelbase: 112.2"
​

1689596631793-png.3375673
 
Last edited:
TexasFunRunner said:
I got curious about the LC250 dimensions as compared to the GX 550. The first thing I noted in the comparison below was that the greenhouse window angles and length are all the same, the wheelbase is the same, etc. So it's clear the underlying structural body cage is identical with only the exterior sheet metal skin being different between the GX 550 and LC250.

Therefore, we can assume the dimensions will be virtually identical with the GX 550:
Length: 197.04" w/ trailer hitch, 194.88" w/o trailer hitch
Width: 77.95" w/o mirrors, 83.22" w/ mirrors
Height: 76.18 in. (GX 550 Overtrail)
Wheelbase: 112.2"
​

1689596631793-png.3375673
Click to expand...

So, the GX/LC250 is basically 2" wider, 4" taller (not including roof rack), and 3" longer than the current 4Runner Pro. Now the big question is does the 6th gen 4Runner grow to the same dimensions or stay the same size. I can park my Pro in my small 3rd bay pretty easily. Adding width and height (especially if the Pro gets a taller roof rack) could make things interesting getting into the garage.
 
Quentin said:
So, the GX/LC250 is basically 2" wider, 4" taller (not including roof rack), and 3" longer than the current 4Runner Pro. Now the big question is does the 6th gen 4Runner grow to the same dimensions or stay the same size. I can park my Pro in my small 3rd bay pretty easily. Adding width and height (especially if the Pro gets a taller roof rack) could make things interesting getting into the garage.
Click to expand...
I think it is likely the new 6th gen 4Runner will stay the same length as the 5th gen 4Runner or even shrink a little, if the speculation is correct that it may be closer in size to earlier generations.
 
As the LC250 will be similar to the GX550, the 6th gen 4Runner will be similar to the 4th gen Tacoma, moving back to its roots, while still being an evolutionary design. Yes, this deviates from the current gen 4Runner, GX and Prado being similar.

Expect the engine choices to most likely mirror their twins as well, so the 4Runner will get the Tacoma's 2.4L Turbo or 2.4L Turbo Hybrid, no TTV6, you will need to step up to the LC250 for that.

The first rendering below from Carbuzz was reviewed by an insider at Plano, they said it was not that far off with the exception of the front end, which would follow the Tacoma design. The second rendering below from Autoevolution gets the front end closer to the Tacoma, so take some combination of the two renderings and you have the new 4Runner.

1689615967287-png.3375921
 
TexasFunRunner said:
I think it is likely the new 6th gen 4Runner will stay the same length as the 5th gen 4Runner or even shrink a little, if the speculation is correct that it may be closer in size to earlier generations.
Click to expand...
I would love this. One of my only very few gripes about the 5th gen is that I think it's just a little too big in all dimensions. Already plenty wide, I really don't think they need to widen it, and there's a whole lot of wasted space in the front clip of the vehicle.
 
Last edited:
TexasFunRunner said:
As the LC250 will be similar to the GX550, the 6th gen 4Runner will be similar to the 4th gen Tacoma, moving back to its roots, while still being an evolutionary design. Yes, this deviates from the current gen 4Runner, GX and Prado being similar.

Expect the engine choices to most likely mirror their twins as well, so the 4Runner will get the Tacoma's 2.4L Turbo or 2.4L Turbo Hybrid, no TTV6, you will need to step up to the LC250 for that.
Click to expand...

IMO, I think you're bang on with this prediction. 4Runner will mimic the Tacoma for powertrain options and Land Cruiser will mimic the GX550.

It'll be interesting if the upcoming Land Cruiser will really be named J250 with no Prado branding. Wonder how all the stuck up "Prado is not a real Land Cruiser" people will say now
 
Trob20 said:
So I came across a post on Instagram today from the Land Cruiser Heritage Museum in Salt Lake City. It said they are going to be closing from July 29th to August 2nd for a private event. Toyota has posted a LC from the LC museum in conjunction with the new LC teaser photos, so I'm hoping this will be the weekend the new LC is unveiled.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cuz3XUtJ9JJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Click to expand...
My Plano contact verified the Land Cruiser Heritage Museum "Private Event" is in fact the Land Cruiser 250 Reveal. Several journalists and aftermarket parts people have already taken early test drives. Since we know the Tacoma people worked with the aftermarket parts people for the 2024 Tacoma Trailhunter, perhaps we have a LC250 Trailhunter to look forward to, hopefully we see more teasers soon.

The embargo period may be short, similar to the GX reveal in Austin, so hopefully we will see reviews and videos either during or soon after the July 29th to August 2nd event.

As far as the 6th gen 4Runner reveal, keep your eyes peeled for Q1 2024.
 
I think the speculation about the 4Runner coming in smaller would be an interesting differentiation. But then if the Land Cruiser comes in the same size as the GX, why doesn't it have the same problem as the previous Land Cruiser had with the LX? Especially if they come with the same powertrains eventually.
 
Buckfever said:
I think the speculation about the 4Runner coming in smaller would be an interesting differentiation. But then if the Land Cruiser comes in the same size as the GX, why doesn't it have the same problem as the previous Land Cruiser had with the LX? Especially if they come with the same powertrains eventually.
Click to expand...

In this case - I think the LX is the loser. It's too expensive and doesn't offer much to differentiate it from the GX that's now the same size and *with a tune* has the same performance. And the GX should be significantly less expensive. When we add to that the new TX that will be larger and a true 3 row model that will also likely be quieter and better to drive on the highway - I think the LX is in a pretty challenging position even among its two Lexus stablemates.

The Land Cruiser needs to be priced significantly lower to be viable. And I think that's where this generation will succeed vs the past one. LC200 was around $78k actual market price when it last sold. That probably translates to more like $90-95k in today's bizzaro car prices. At that price the base LX600 at $86k or whatever it is now is a better value. I expect the new LC250 to start around $55k if it has a 4cyl or $60k if it only has a TTv6.
 
GhostTrain said:
Hopefully a turbo four banger is not the sole powertrain option.

I do some towing and that’d be a dealbreaker for me. These big vehicles with turbo fours (all brands) will not have a long life. Too much engine strain long term IMO.
Click to expand...

Right, I couldn't agree more. Mine broke down too early :(
 
Jetboy said:
Repeating as many times as you want will not make it be so. There is no such thing as a J150 platform rolling down an assembly line at Tahara that will be modified into either a Prado, GX, or 4Runner. That does not exist. That is simply not what shared platform means.
Click to expand...

I think you broke them
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

G
New 6th gen TRF Off-Road Premium in a few days
Replies
5
Views
17K
02SE
0
GreyhoundGuy
Clock Spring
Replies
1
Views
7K
97BlackAckCL
97BlackAckCL
1
I replaced X-REAS with KYB
Replies
3
Views
2K
robtmc
R
T
2001 4runner Head Gasket Replacement
Replies
19
Views
16K
alia176
A
mnofpeace
THIS JUST IN...the 2023 = 4040
Replies
5
Views
4K
mscot
M

Members online

Total: 4,456 (members: 4, guests: 4,452)

Forum statistics

Threads
278,317
Messages
3,554,128
Members
248,016
Latest member
Advally Service

Share this page

Trending content

Back
Top