Home Menu

Site Navigation


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-07-2014, 03:51 PM #76
grey_ghost's Avatar
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
grey_ghost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
This went off topic.... might as well embrace it
Like 1engineer, I too have studied this topic using multiple resources over the last 5 years or so. There are politicians and others who seem to believe if they repeat the term “consensus” over and over again enough times, many people will start to believe them.
Unfortunately for the alarmists, there are too many credible scientists in the field of study who have clearly shed light on distortion of facts. This would include Dr. Richard Lindzen at MIT and Drs. McNider and Christy of University of Alabama, all three professors of atmospheric science.
Lindzen was very effective early in the debate at pointing out not only were the models inconclusive, but that there was a concerted effort to systematically silence and cut funding to any researchers who didn’t support Gore’s warming theory.
More recently, McNider and Christy were able to clarify how deeply flawed the climate models have been. Here’s a direct quote from the McNider article in the Wall St. Journal 2/19/2014:
“The rate of warming forecast by these models depends on many assumptions. We might forgive these modelers if their forecasts had not been so consistently and spectacularly wrong.” –see chart
Welfare state-reality-jpg
You have to admit though, Al Gore has had the last laugh. He made millions on his movie even before it was discovered he had used fictional Hollywood clips of ice shelf movement taken from the fiction film “The Day After Tomorrow”. Then after he paraded as anti-oil for years, he had no qualms about selling his TV network to Al Jazeera, which is funded by the Qatari government and one of the biggest exporters of oil in the world. Wait, where did Gore study atmospheric science? Oh that's right he didn't! in fact he's a law school dropout... but a very rich one...
grey_ghost is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-07-2014, 04:19 PM #77
blizz86's Avatar
blizz86 blizz86 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: LA/OC
Posts: 1,049
Real Name: Brian - 20
blizz86 is on a distinguished road
blizz86 blizz86 is offline
Senior Member
blizz86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: LA/OC
Posts: 1,049
Real Name: Brian - 20
blizz86 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandCruiser View Post
Climate change research is politically motivated, and those who keep pushing it keep wanting to funnel billions of dollars to "invest" in green energy BS like windmills and solar panels--oddly their friends seem to own the companies that make it.

China and India, oddly enough who have almost 1/2 of the world's population don't give a damn about global warming. So we're only crippling our own economy and industry by adopting all of these idiotic standards.

One or two big volcano blasts can do as much damage as a year of human pollution. Or an asteroid or two.

The elephant in the room is that THERE ARE TOO MANY ****ING PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET AND THEY KEEP ****ING AND MAKING MORE ****ING PEOPLE. You will never get over the hurdle until the human population growth slows down.
Well, to hit a point about China and India: they don't really give a damn about global warming because they are behind industrialization compared to the US and its basically a by product of them catching to us economically and industrially...

Also the population stuff: we are declining in population growth rate.. albeit slowly.

As for GLOBAL WARMING DUE TO GREENHOUSE GASSES. Please read up
AR4 SYR Synthesis Report - 6.1 Observed changes in climate and their effects, and their causes
"As a result of anthropogenic emissions, atmospheric concentrations of N2O now far exceed pre-industrial values spanning many thousands of years, and those of CH4 and CO2 now far exceed the natural range over the last 650,000 years."

Theres no question that humans have contributed to a significant change in atmospheric conditions**, and that there is a warming trend. But of course nothing is concrete, theres just fairly strong evidence that humans are accelerating the warmth.
**Yes although we just started actively recording GHG in the past 50-80 years or whatever, we are able to read gas composition levels through deep ice.

Then theres the side of this could just be a spike in the Earth's long term climate and there will be a massive cooldown again?
__________________
2000 Limited 4x2 Build - OME lift // Tundra Brake Upgrade // Wet Okole // 265/70/16 Michelin X Radial LT2 // 3" FXR + 50 w Morimoto 5k // 1.25" Spidertraxx 4 corners
2012 SR5 4x4 [Magnetic Gray]: Stock suspension // OPOR TE sliders (trimmed rocker panels) // Husky Mudguards // CMG Roof Rack
blizz86 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-08-2014, 07:51 AM #78
JayceeP's Avatar
JayceeP JayceeP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 1,025
JayceeP is on a distinguished road
JayceeP JayceeP is offline
Senior Member
JayceeP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 1,025
JayceeP is on a distinguished road
We should all be wary of an expanding welfare state and I am no fan of the green movement. In many places in Canada, more and more people are being forced into high density suburban neighbourhoods consisting of many duplex and row-house homes along with condo type buildings. A detached home is becoming less of the norm and the lots are getting smaller in many large metro's like Toronto. I'm talking 40ft by 80 ft for a 4 bedroom home in communities 50-60km from downtown Toronto.

It is also obscene how much money the government takes from you in Nova Scotia... but that's another topic altogether.
__________________
2012 Shoreline Blue LE 4WD w/ 3rd Row.

Last edited by JayceeP; 03-08-2014 at 08:00 AM.
JayceeP is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-08-2014, 01:18 PM #79
LandCruiser's Avatar
LandCruiser LandCruiser is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Bay
Posts: 4,583
Real Name: Sparky
LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of
LandCruiser LandCruiser is offline
Senior Member
LandCruiser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Bay
Posts: 4,583
Real Name: Sparky
LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayceeP View Post
We should all be wary of an expanding welfare state and I am no fan of the green movement. In many places in Canada, more and more people are being forced into high density suburban neighbourhoods consisting of many duplex and row-house homes along with condo type buildings. A detached home is becoming less of the norm and the lots are getting smaller in many large metro's like Toronto. I'm talking 40ft by 80 ft for a 4 bedroom home in communities 50-60km from downtown Toronto.

It is also obscene how much money the government takes from you in Nova Scotia... but that's another topic altogether.
When we were in Nova Scotia there was 10% provincial tax on top of 7% GST.

...in other words 17 cents per loonie.

I can't wait until Obama gets all excited and enacts an American GST to fund his failed policies.
LandCruiser is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-08-2014, 01:23 PM #80
JayceeP's Avatar
JayceeP JayceeP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 1,025
JayceeP is on a distinguished road
JayceeP JayceeP is offline
Senior Member
JayceeP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 1,025
JayceeP is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandCruiser View Post
When we were in Nova Scotia there was 10% provincial tax on top of 7% GST.

...in other words 17 cents per loonie.

I can't wait until Obama gets all excited and enacts an American GST to fund his failed policies.
Better come back. It's only 15% now. Bargain. Actually, what happened was the federal govt lowered the GST from 7% to 5% so the NS government thought it would be a great idea to increase the PST from 8% to 10%.

So there is that component and the progressive provincial tax rates that start higher than most other provinces and increase to much higher rates. At $150k your marginal tax rate hits 50%.
__________________
2012 Shoreline Blue LE 4WD w/ 3rd Row.

Last edited by JayceeP; 03-08-2014 at 01:27 PM.
JayceeP is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 01:14 PM #81
ndcent's Avatar
ndcent ndcent is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dystopia
Age: 45
Posts: 2,263
ndcent is on a distinguished road
ndcent ndcent is offline
Senior Member
ndcent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dystopia
Age: 45
Posts: 2,263
ndcent is on a distinguished road
Over a decade ago Nelly was way ahead of the earth warming with his "It's getting hot in here" lyrics.
__________________
Country > Party
ndcent is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 10:53 AM #82
ndcent's Avatar
ndcent ndcent is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dystopia
Age: 45
Posts: 2,263
ndcent is on a distinguished road
ndcent ndcent is offline
Senior Member
ndcent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dystopia
Age: 45
Posts: 2,263
ndcent is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandCruiser View Post
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/op...f=opinion&_r=0

Tired of working to pay for health care?

Tired of working at all?

With ACA, you can quit, have the health insurance you want, and be free to follow you dreams.

Every time I think we can't reach a new and pathetic low under Obama, we see shit like this.
Don't like the ACA? Claim it's against your religion!

Religious Exemption from Healthcare Law Overwhelmingly Passes the House… and That’s Bad

If it is wrong to force a religious person to pay money for something they disagree with, why stop at healthcare? Why should a pacifist be forced to pay taxes that support the military which kills people?
I think "thou shalt not kill" has a much stronger religious foundation than "thou shalt not use birth control".
__________________
Country > Party
ndcent is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 11:37 AM #83
nevada's Avatar
nevada nevada is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: washington
Posts: 4,986
nevada has a spectacular aura about nevada has a spectacular aura about nevada has a spectacular aura about
nevada nevada is offline
Senior Member
nevada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: washington
Posts: 4,986
nevada has a spectacular aura about nevada has a spectacular aura about nevada has a spectacular aura about
is it not illegal to force ANYONE to purchase a product?

I thought this was a free society.
__________________
1985 pickup: EFI 331/4r70W-Dana 300-42 TSL SXII's/raceline beadlocks-30spl longs-5.29's-spools-sky Hi steer-OBA/4g tank-10.5k RR winch-dual blue tops-200 amp alt-flatbed.
1985 4runner sr5: 22RE/5spd-6" pro-comp suspension-37 BFG at's-5.29 gears-Badlands Basher bumper-8.5k RR winch.
2006 4runner v8 limited: stock. Build Thread YouTube Channel
nevada is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 01:22 PM #84
grey_ghost's Avatar
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
grey_ghost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndcent View Post
Don't like the ACA? Claim it's against your religion!

Religious Exemption from Healthcare Law Overwhelmingly Passes the House… and That’s Bad

If it is wrong to force a religious person to pay money for something they disagree with, why stop at healthcare? Why should a pacifist be forced to pay taxes that support the military which kills people?
I think "thou shalt not kill" has a much stronger religious foundation than "thou shalt not use birth control".
Wow, do you really want to open this can of worms?? where to start... First obviously the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. It also requires the federal government to "provide for a common defense", So if some pacifist wants to live in a country that doesn't need a military, good luck finding one! You'd have to be incredibly ignorant to think the U.S. doesn't need one, and one that yes sometimes needs to kill bad guys.
And the birth control issue; obviously there's a risk of this thread going nuts on such a volatile topic.
Does your "thou shalt not kill" include an unborn fetus?
I for one don't believe the government has any business forcing all of us to pay for contraception; how does that prevent illness or improve health of citizens? At what point as our national debt climbs past $17 trillion do we say we're paying for enough things?
You might as well pick something random like: for everyone that wears contact lenses for vision correction; lets tax the whole nation and give everyone that wants contacts, give it to them for free!
Or worse; everyone that can't afford a cell phone, let's give them one for free! oh wait, Obama's already doing that
grey_ghost is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 01:53 PM #85
ndcent's Avatar
ndcent ndcent is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dystopia
Age: 45
Posts: 2,263
ndcent is on a distinguished road
ndcent ndcent is offline
Senior Member
ndcent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Dystopia
Age: 45
Posts: 2,263
ndcent is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by grey_ghost View Post
Wow, do you really want to open this can of worms?? where to start... First obviously the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. It also requires the federal government to "provide for a common defense", So if some pacifist wants to live in a country that doesn't need a military, good luck finding one! You'd have to be incredibly ignorant to think the U.S. doesn't need one, and one that yes sometimes needs to kill bad guys.
And the birth control issue; obviously there's a risk of this thread going nuts on such a volatile topic.
Does your "thou shalt not kill" include an unborn fetus?
I for one don't believe the government has any business forcing all of us to pay for contraception; how does that prevent illness or improve health of citizens? At what point as our national debt climbs past $17 trillion do we say we're paying for enough things?
You might as well pick something random like: for everyone that wears contact lenses for vision correction; lets tax the whole nation and give everyone that wants contacts, give it to them for free!
Or worse; everyone that can't afford a cell phone, let's give them one for free! oh wait, Obama's already doing that
The "Obama Phone" is a myth that has been thoroughly debunked, man. I'm surprised people still believe that...well maybe not. Anyways, the program originated in the Reagan administration and officially launched in '08 in the Bush administration through TracFone.

The more you know!

What I think the christian fundamentalist extremists holding the republican party hostage have seemed to forget is, yes the constitution guarantees freedom of religion... Which also means freedom FROM religion!

How does access to birth control help society?

How about improved health?

Access to safe, reliable, affordable birth control has a significant impact on women's health and lives. Each year, modern contraceptives help prevent 215,000 pregnancy related deaths and 2.7 million infant deaths.

Also, if you're a birther you should really take note about of how birth control (as well as education) reduces and is continuing to reduce the already steadily decreasing abortion rates in the US. Sadly these christian fundies object to the very things that would help their cause. Alas they continue to pound on abstinence, because that works!

Then you have actual genuine retards like Bill O'Reilly claiming bullshit like "viagara is for "health" but contraceptives are for promiscuity." But a you say, can of worms.
__________________
Country > Party
ndcent is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 05:09 PM #86
grey_ghost's Avatar
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
grey_ghost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
Welfare state-someone-wrong-internet-jpg
grey_ghost is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 05:52 PM #87
eddiebx's Avatar
eddiebx eddiebx is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: My Computer
Posts: 3,105
eddiebx will become famous soon enough eddiebx will become famous soon enough
eddiebx eddiebx is offline
Senior Member
eddiebx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: My Computer
Posts: 3,105
eddiebx will become famous soon enough eddiebx will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by nevada View Post
is it not illegal to force ANYONE to purchase a product?

I thought this was a free society.
I've learned a long time ago when I collected my first real pay check that, this society is anything but free.

Until we have any real control over our tax dollars, we're all pretty much being forced to purchase tons of things whether we like it or not. I'm talking about actual control, and not the perceived control we have through our right to vote, lol.
eddiebx is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 03-14-2014, 12:06 AM #88
grey_ghost's Avatar
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
grey_ghost grey_ghost is offline
Member
grey_ghost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 144
grey_ghost is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndcent View Post
The "Obama Phone" is a myth that has been thoroughly debunked, man. I'm surprised people still believe that...well maybe not. Anyways, the program originated in the Reagan administration and officially launched in '08 in the Bush administration through TracFone..
You're all over the map buddy, but i admit to getting a chuckle when you suggested there was a cell phone subsidy during the Reagan administration
I agree though Obama did not start it, it was triggered by the Telecommunications Act initiated the year Bill Clinton started his term in 1996. It's funded not by income tax but by a federally mandated universal service fee on the bill of everyone who owns a cell phone... In other words let's face it, it's another tax. The reason Obama gets grief about it is there is more widespread abuse of the program in the last 5 years, as with many free handouts.

Anyway, it's one thing to help someone out with say, heart medicine or insulin for a diabetic.... But quite another thing to buy them contraceptives... I'm afraid we'll have to disagree.
By the way, you didn't bother to address the $17 trillion + climbing debt.... Or are you one of those people that think we don't have a spending problem?
grey_ghost is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Best 4WD State is... SonRunner General Discussions 55 08-11-2013 05:56 AM
New from WA state Djf1994 New Members 0 12-19-2012 03:05 AM
New From WA State with 1st Gen 4Runner ruining New Members 2 10-13-2012 09:45 PM
Wtb 1ST GEN 4RUNNER WA State rize Classifieds - buy & sell (no commercial ads please) 2 02-16-2011 03:16 PM
Buying from dealer out of state (way out of state) Ryan_S 5th gen T4Rs 11 03-05-2010 12:35 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:13 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020