gringo
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I'm close to going the exact same route with my LE. I'm on the fence as to whether I go with the 17" or 18" Method Standards, looking fwd to seeing pics - please post when they're on!
20 inch wheels on LIMITED
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dwm2112
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Never considered the 18's. Should have pictures posted up next Saturday afternoon weather permiting.
dwm2112
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The wheels did not arrive so it looks like Tuesday or Wednesday before I can get everything mounted up...
dwm2112
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Wheels were delayed another day but I did get them mounted today. Losing light so the picture is not the best. I am very happy with the wheels and the look. Turned out much better than I was expecting...
Dr.Damento
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Good morning, new guy here. I know this topic has been beat to death in here but I'm torn on which tire to upgrade to on my wife's 2010 LE.
I was sold (based on the comments in here) on the Nitto Terra Grapplers in 275/55R/20 but then realized they have a $hitty snow rating, which I'm learning is the case with a lot of these AT more aggressive looking tires.
I came across the Mickey Thompson Baja STZ yesterday. They have very good reviews and apparently are also awesome in the snow. Anyone have any experience with these on their 4Runner?
I also learned that BFGoodrich is releasing a 275/55R/20 in their All-Terrain T/A KO2 mid October. I've had a few BFG's in the past and was very happy with them.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the above 2 tires, good bad or indifferent. Canadian winter is approaching. Gotta pull the trigger soon.
Cheers,
Damento
I was sold (based on the comments in here) on the Nitto Terra Grapplers in 275/55R/20 but then realized they have a $hitty snow rating, which I'm learning is the case with a lot of these AT more aggressive looking tires.
I came across the Mickey Thompson Baja STZ yesterday. They have very good reviews and apparently are also awesome in the snow. Anyone have any experience with these on their 4Runner?
I also learned that BFGoodrich is releasing a 275/55R/20 in their All-Terrain T/A KO2 mid October. I've had a few BFG's in the past and was very happy with them.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the above 2 tires, good bad or indifferent. Canadian winter is approaching. Gotta pull the trigger soon.
Cheers,
Damento
Jhalko
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Aren't the new BFG's snow rated? That should be a selling point and they do seem to be popular here in CO. You'd probably have a little more road noise though, hard to say since it's a new tread pattern.
If you're at all concerned about safety during winter driving (not just snow), you might want to read these. I live in NJ and I insist on winter tires for me and the wife (both have 4WD/AWD). Not sure why anyone in Canada would go for anything other than true winter tires.
There's a saying that all-season tires are really no-season tires.
Five Questions (And Answers) About Snow Tires
Edmunds.com Asks, "Who Needs Winter Tires?"
Can All-Season Tires Really Handle the Snow? - Winter Tires vs. All-Season Tires - Popular Mechanics
How To Buy Winter Tires
Dr.Damento
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The BFG's are snow rated. That said the earlier generations of BFG A/T's which I don't believe were snow rated I found to be fantastic in the BC mountains. Never had an issue. The snow dumps we get here in the Greater Toronto Area are fairly sparse by comparison and. NJ...get's pretty pounded fro my understanding!
Thanks for chiming in guys.
D.
Thanks for chiming in guys.
D.
dwm2112
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intense1776
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I am a current owner of a '14 LE, former owner of '05 Taco, '00 T4R LE, and '07 Tundra. I have owned the BFG A/T, Goodyear MT/R, Geolanders, etc.
Hands down, the best tire I've ever driven (in everything from Lake Tahoe 3'+ snow storms, to NJ cloud bursts and 2' snow storms) is the Michelin LTX M/S 2. They are nearly silent, do shockingly well in snow (bested slightly by the BFG A/T when it's very deep powder, 18"+), and are much better in heavy rain than anything on the road. Their lifetime easily exceeds 50k miles. My last set had 68k miles and were still about 25% alive. I ended up switching every above listed vehicle to these tires because I love them so much.
If you don't believe me, check tirerack's review of them. You won't be disappointed.
Hands down, the best tire I've ever driven (in everything from Lake Tahoe 3'+ snow storms, to NJ cloud bursts and 2' snow storms) is the Michelin LTX M/S 2. They are nearly silent, do shockingly well in snow (bested slightly by the BFG A/T when it's very deep powder, 18"+), and are much better in heavy rain than anything on the road. Their lifetime easily exceeds 50k miles. My last set had 68k miles and were still about 25% alive. I ended up switching every above listed vehicle to these tires because I love them so much.
If you don't believe me, check tirerack's review of them. You won't be disappointed.
This^^^^. Between my LX470 and 4Runner I've put over 300k miles on these Michelins, just amazing. 70-80k/set
I completely agree that the MS2 tires are some of the best on-road tires you can buy. It's not meant for true snow work - it's not even "snowflake rated" (not that I really even trust the industry-created standard for this). I definitely wouldn't push your luck with that on snow.
My other point, more importantly, is the uselessness that is the TireRack review/survey section. 99% of drivers don't know anything at all about tires. Asking those drivers to rate tires in certain conditions is useless without true testing, comparison, or knowledge. A driver in AZ might rate an all-season as 9/10 in winter. Would a driver in Canada rate the same tire as 9/10 in winter? Probably not. Which is right? If there are 99 users in AZ that rate the tire 9/10 for winter and only 1 user in Canada that rates the tire 1/10 for winter, what is the result? Obviously, the same will apply for summer use, off-road use, wet traction, etc. Drivers just don't know where the tire's performance lies in the spectrum of all tires.
Another part of the problem is that drivers are rating a purchase (usually of $150+ per tire, which isn't a small amount). Is a person more likely to overrate or underrate an item they chose to pay a large amount for? I'd be willing to bet that the majority will, consciously or otherwise, marginalize any faults to rationalize their choice in spending.
intense1776
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I believe that the roads I have driven with these tires encompass what 95% of drivers will use their vehicles for in North America. Lake Tahoe sees snow storms upwards of 5 feet on a regular basis (I was there most winter weekends for about 3-4 years, they do not use salt there, btw), I lived on a curvy country road in CA, drove many highway miles between both oceans (smooth CA roads, to horrifically bumpy PA/NJ roads), and many more. My experience has significant variety, including driving similar to Dr. Demento's Canadien roads, eh. :cowboy: These tires performed significantly better than expected in every category, including snow. If I dropped into 4x2 and stabbed the loud pedal, they would slip. But in normal, responsible, snow driving, they are very, very, good. I believe the compromise jumping to the BFG A/T's will not be worth the marginal improvement he will see in deep snow driving. I tried both, and regretted the BFG A/T's. They were harsher, louder, didn't handle as well, and didn't last as long as the M/S2's.
Are there reviewers that will not truly understand the intended purpose of their tires? Absolutely. Will their reviews effect the results? The sample size of Tire Rack's review base is so large (millions of miles driven on the tires), that these anomalies, statistically, will be negligible. I only referred to Tire Rack "if you don't believe me". The M/S2 tire has a professional review on Tire Rack as well.
To be clear, I do not believe Tire Rack should be used as an end all, be all, reference for tire purchases. It will, however, give the OP a good starting point to try tires and see which he likes. That is how we all learned our tire preferences, trial and error.
I understand and appreciate your objection to the anecdotal information provided on Tire Rack. That is all we have to work with on the internet, using anecdotal information to make more informed decisions. :smashputer:
The only way to REALLY know is to TRY! :biggrin1:
alangranvue
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Alangranvue, any rubbing with that set up? How does it ride compared to stock?
alangranvue
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No rubbing issues at all. There is a small difference in the ride. It does seem a little more stiff but nothing I would complain about it. I debated on doing this for awhile but I finally bit the bullet and I am so glad that I did. Now I am just debating if I want to get wheel spacers, even though I don't need them.
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dacolson
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Goodyear Wrangler AT Adventure w/ Kevlar Pro-Grade LT265/60R20 Load Range E
Just put Goodyear Wrangler AT Adv Kevlar 265/60/20 on my '13 Limited. Went with the pro-grade (load range E) b/c it's severe snow rated (snowflake on the tire). Looks 100% better than the OEM bike tires. 1000 miles so far. Little louder, little stiffer. Can't wait for the snow to come. Expecting our first 6" to 12" in MN tomorrow.
Just put Goodyear Wrangler AT Adv Kevlar 265/60/20 on my '13 Limited. Went with the pro-grade (load range E) b/c it's severe snow rated (snowflake on the tire). Looks 100% better than the OEM bike tires. 1000 miles so far. Little louder, little stiffer. Can't wait for the snow to come. Expecting our first 6" to 12" in MN tomorrow.
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