2015 Jeep Renegade

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Its the replacement to the Jeep Liberty and it is UniBody, apparently their definition of "Off-Road Capable" is crawling over some coarse gravel... many many JGC owners I know have to regularly weld and fix their UniBody frames from cracking due to frame flexing off-road.
 
I was on the fence, but when I read that it has "distinctive front and rear fascias" I knew I had to have one!
 
I like it, I think the trailhawk would be a fun little toy to play around with. I've got two other rigs for serious offroading. And if this little cute-ute gets more people out into the wilderness, thats more people aware and caring about public lands being kept open to the public.

Not to mention Jeep HAD to develop and build something like this to help meet CAFE MPG standards. They need a "Jeep Car" to offset the less efficient Wrangler.
 
If it had a solid rear axle, I would completely and absolutely not talk sh!t on it. I think it would be a fun extreme Fiat-type toy as well, especially for the price. But it needs a little bit more muscle to live up to what they're claiming.
 
Not to mention Jeep HAD to develop and build something like this to help meet CAFE MPG standards. They need a "Jeep Car" to offset the less efficient Wrangler.

Probably very true. IMHO, I don't like the way it looks. I also don't like the fact that it is basically just another cross-over.

I had a friend that had a jeep patriot for a little while. It was really underpowered and would buzz like a swarm of pissed off bees when going up the slightest hill on the highway. Also, it wasn't very good off road. This new jeep reminds me of that.
 
This was all I could think of when I saw the jeep pics...

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I like it, I think the trailhawk would be a fun little toy to play around with. I've got two other rigs for serious offroading. And if this little cute-ute gets more people out into the wilderness, thats more people aware and caring about public lands being kept open to the public.

Not to mention Jeep HAD to develop and build something like this to help meet CAFE MPG standards. They need a "Jeep Car" to offset the less efficient Wrangler.

You mean more people littering our wilderness with broken down Jeep Cross-Overs and clogging up our trails with drivers who can't held but get high centered on a pebble or freak out when the wheels spin in some mud?

I mean I guess driving OVER them gives me a bit more traction... but it just seems like a very bad thing for the environment. :hatsoff:

Also the CAFE Standards are the one of the worst things to be forced upon the automotive industry, its going to force far too much change (not limited to forcing tiny SMART sized cars and CUVs down our throat as "regular sized" vehicles, hybrids, and pitiful excuses of EVs like the RAV4 EV and Nissan Leaf) and use of complicated technology that will make current repair bills seems like a joke. Most mechanics don't even know how to use an Oscilloscope much less diagnose or work on half the stuff that comes in cars these days. Don't expect the dealers to have too much more knowledge, the manufacturers are more happy to have technicians replace parts and have us waste your time calling the support line to have them tell us what to replace that to properly explain their system and how to diagnose them. Chrysler is supposedly coming out with the first WiFi car in 2015, no physical connections between modules (and with Chrysler's stellar track record that means it'll be foolproof!) many technicians have trouble with standard CAN networks that have been in cars for a decade.
 
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You mean more people littering our wilderness with broken down Jeep Cross-Overs and clogging up our trails with drivers who can't held but get high centered on a pebble or freak out when the wheels spin in some mud?

Seriously, is there an onslaught of "broken down jeep cross-overs" on the trails you frequent? If you are on the same trails as the new Renegade thats your own problem. Regarding people freaking out because they hit a skidplate or spun a tire in mud, there's plenty of that here already. I just look past those threads.

I mean I guess driving OVER them gives me a bit more traction... but it just seems like a very bad thing for the environment. :hatsoff:

Also the CAFE Standards are the one of the worst things to be forced upon the automotive industry, its going to force far too much change and use of complicated technology that will make current repair bills seems like a joke. Most mechanics don't even know how to use an Oscilloscope much less diagnose or work on half the stuff that comes in cars these days, Chrysler is supposedly coming out with the first WiFi car in 2015, no physical connections between modules (and with Chrysler's stellar track record that means it'll be foolproof!) many technicians have trouble with standard CAN networks that have been in cars for a decade.

I didn't say CAFE standards were a good thing. But its obvious they arent going anywhere and EVERY brand is having to innovate and design around meeting said requirements. I agree they are a huge burden and ruining the automotive industry with unreal expectations.

I dont think I am better or "cooler" than the family enjoying the outdoors and wilderness in their stock Liberty because i drive a built 4Runner. Like I said the more people enjoying OHV areas the more people that care they stay open and available.
 
I dont think I am better or "cooler" than the family enjoying the outdoors and wilderness in their stock Liberty because i drive a built 4Runner. Like I said the more people enjoying OHV areas the more people that care they stay open and available.

I was more or less making a joke about inexperienced drivers and the reliability of Jeeps, rather than implying we are the superior species (not that 4Runners aren't! :P )

More people exploring the wilderness could be a good thing, but it could be a bad thing if they have no idea what they are doing and are tearing up trails and wilderness.
 
Thanks a Lot!

For reminding me that i have to work on more POS in the future and learn how to make warranty time pay more.LOL


Yes i do work on Jeep's :moon:
 
For reminding me that i have to work on more POS in the future and learn how to make warranty time pay more.LOL


Yes i do work on Jeep's :moon:

Well at least you guys stock cylinderheads in your parts department, we Toyota Dealerships have to order ours; don't got them lying on the shelf ready to go! :biggrin1:
 
More people exploring the wilderness could be a good thing, but it could be a bad thing if they have no idea what they are doing and are tearing up trails and wilderness.

Kinda this, I think. Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I feel like more people getting into the backcountry just leads to more people I have to fight to protect the backcountry from.

Anyway, I don't think there's going to be any sudden influx of city turds driving Jeep Renegades clogging my trails. Jeep is going to market this SUC to posers who want to appear all offroady and rugged while they drive to soccer practice or the beach, not to anybody that actually needs an offroad-capable vehicle.
 
Cylinder heads

Well at least you guys stock cylinderheads in your parts department, we Toyota Dealerships have to order ours; don't got them lying on the shelf ready to go! :biggrin1:

You got that right,we have about a dozen cylinder heads for our 3.6l VVT and
left side only and about 4 long block HEMI on stand by.The cylinder head on the left bank tend to wear out the exhaust valves around every 20k.LOL:wtf:
 

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