2015 Trail / Frame paint issue?

Sphonaut

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Hi Guys,

I bought a new 2015 trail edition mid January 2015.

I noticed several issues with the paint on the frame "welds" (picture attached). Its basically on all the welds.

According to Toyota this is esthetics only and not covered under warranty. It does not affect the frame (me: yet).

Did anyone experience the same issue?
Any recommendations?

I cant believe this happens to a $50,000 truck... ohh man..

Thanks for the feedback!

Adrian
 

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Totally Normal. Rust inhibitor or touch up with semi-gloss black if it worries you. I'd leave it alone.
 
Hi Guys,

I bought a new 2015 trail edition mid January 2015.

I noticed several issues with the paint on the frame "welds" (picture attached). Its basically on all the welds.

According to Toyota this is esthetics only and not covered under warranty. It does not affect the frame (me: yet).

Did anyone experience the same issue?
Any recommendations?

I cant believe this happens to a $50,000 truck... ohh man..

Thanks for the feedback!

Adrian


50k? Wow. Regardless this is considered normal. Want to feel real uneasy? Go look under the rear spring perches. :)
 
It is normal. The black paint will eventually peel off due to that rust... My recommendation is spraying on Rust Cure Formula 3000 or Fluid Film Rust and Corrosion Prevention.
 
I could care less. My truck is completely coated in salt right now and sure the frame has some surface rust but so what. Now there are some people who care and have done something about it. [MENTION=90511]whiplash[/MENTION]willy did some good things to cure this. Maybe he will chime in.
 
That's normal and won't effect it at all. The body if never washed will outlast the rest of the truck so just drive and enjoy. I never buy a fancy model of anything because its just lipstick on a pig. The most expensive truck still has ybe same paint, frame and build quality as the cheapest model.
 
Mine have been rustproofed since new and doesn't seem to have rusted from 5 years of salty roads. But it's also always dirty so it may be hiding something ;)
 
I could care less. My truck is completely coated in salt right now and sure the frame has some surface rust but so what. Now there are some people who care and have done something about it. [MENTION=90511]whiplash[/MENTION]willy did some good things to cure this. Maybe he will chime in.


Not all of us replace our Runner every few years.... :plane:
 
Yea it is normal...for Toyota's crappy frame paint to not adhear to the welds, and give the rusting process a head start. You will see the same with every new Toyota BOF even on the dealer's lot!

If you look at any Toyota BOF that has gone through a winter or two in the rust belt, you will see the rust is most concentrated around the welds.

Most people on this board aren't bothered by rusty frames, but it is one of my biggest pet peeves! Call me OCD or Crazy or whatever, I just hate getting under my relatively new 4runner, and seeing rust to any degree down there.

Here is my initial thread on this:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/148656-frame-welds-rusting-already.html

And here is how I addressed this issue:

Several months back I went over the frame myself with some Rust Bullet. It took a couple days of work, but I covered every part of the frame, that I could reach, that had surface rust or missing coating with it. I decided to use rust bullet because it is similar to Por-15, and it has been shown to protect as well, if not better, and is more forgiving then Por-15 with proper prep.

Day 1:
-Put the 4runner up on ramps (All 4 tires), removed the spare and skids, and pressure washed the underside.
-I then used a cheap car mitt, and standard car wash soap, and hand washed every part of the frame I could reach/see.
-Rinsed/pressure washed everything under there and dried with with a blower and towels.

-I used 60Grit sand paper scuffed up every area I was going to coat (Basically every frame weld, since they all had surface rust) and any other area with surface rust. (My frame had nothing worse then very light surface rust to begin with, so my prep wasn't too bad)
-I then hand washed and thoroughly rinsed and dried the frame to remove the sanding residue.

-I let it dry overnight, because it has to be 100% dry for the coating to adhere properly. Rust Bullet does have special prep chemicals you can use, but I decided the condition of the frame didn't warrant it.


Day 2:
I applied the "Rust Bullet Automotive" paint to every area that had surface rust or missing frame coating. I used several cheap paint brushes to apply it. I waited 4 hours, then applied a 2nd coat.

4 Hours after the 2nd coat, I applied their "Black Shell" Top Coat over the majority frame.

The "Rust Bullet Automotive" only comes in a Grey Color. While it isn't UV sensitive like Por-15, I didn't want a bunch of grey parts throughout the frame, which is why I top coated it. The Black Shell came out a little more glossier then I would like, but it goes on well with 1 coat, and dries really hard. I feel it will hold up much better again rocks and ect then the factory coat would have.

I left the LCAs and Spare uncoated, even though their welds have surface rust, because they are easily replaceable, and I will be able to see how they hold up vs the rust bullet.

Now that the frame is dirty, the Black Shell has lost its glossiness, and looks like a standard frame coat.

Here is a link to the products:
Rust Bullet Automotive - Products | Rust Bullet

BlackShell - Topcoats - Products | Rust Bullet

*On a side note, before I decided to go with Rust Bullet, I called up their CS line, and the 1st person who answered was very knowledgeable about their product and answered every question I had.

Living in Portland Oregon, where it rarely snows, and they don't use salt, I don't think it would have gotten horribly bad, like what I have seen from people in "The Salt Belt", but there was enough of it exposed where it would have gotten worse over time, and would have bugged the hell out of me, since rust is a huge pet peeve of mine. This is my first new Toyota BOF, and I want to keep it in good condition for as long as possible. At the end of the day, all it took was less then $100 in supplies, and a few days. Now I feel much better when im under the 4runner doing service, looking up at a black frame.

I do feel Toyota does a decent job coating their bodies and Uni-bodys, however they still have a long way to go with their frame coating. It would have been nice for them to put a little more into their coating, so it could be fully covered before the body and components were attached to the frame. You would think with all of the frame rust issues they have had they would, but they need to cut costs somewhere....They don't even bother cleaning up the external casting marks on their engine blocks anymore...
 
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Not all of us replace our Runner every few years.... :plane:

Believe it or not I have kept a vehicle longer than a few years and I have bought used vehicles in the past. The frames on those vehicles looked just like they do on my 4Runner lol. Rusty but no structural issues.
 
I think the steel used has a lot more to do with frame rust over time than any paint you can put on it. My 1974 Land Cruiser frame is almost entirely paint free - and has nothing more than light surface rust. Some 90's Tacomas rust all the way through. Environment and metal type seem to make a big difference.

For me - I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Any surface corrosion that can be cleaned up and eliminated will add to the lifespan of the unit. Rust is insidious .. once started, it gets a foothold as is all the harder to get rid of.
 

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