thennen
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Yeah, I figured that's what he meant. I'm not familiar with the differences between the two. I wonder if those transmission failures are on ones with the hot motor. Too much power for the transmission? Drag racing?
2021 Trail Editions
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sn_85
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FWIW, my 2017 4Runner was in the shop about once a month for the 20K miles I owned it (from new) for a variety of issues: strong steering wheel wobble, alignment issues, rear right shock exploding, A/C blower motor loudly vibrating, remote start not working, and one other thing I can't remember.
My 2017 Range Rover Sport has 40K miles on it now, (~25k from me), and has never been to the shop for non-standard maintenance (every 16K miles). It has a SC V8 with 510hp, does 0-60 in 5 seconds, gets about 15mpg city and 19-21mpg highway (both better than my 4Runner) despite having 275/55R20 KO2s, has a big 27.5 gallon fuel tank, and is great off-road. It should do all of those things though considering it was nearly twice the price.
Pretty sure I had a lemon 4Runner and have had the opposite of a lemon RRS, but it's a data point to consider. Most Range Rover issues nowadays are related to the dual-screen infotainment system (freezing, non-responsive, etc. until the vehicle is restarted).
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DMC12Runner
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My post this morning was my initial reaction after paying sticker to get the "exclusive" AG on our 2020 Pro, which we got first week of October after waiting six months for it to come in. Then I read into this more and realized this is a limited run of 4,000 units across four colors, so maybe 1,000-1,500 extra AGs running around. That's fine, and the Pro is definitely different than the SR5. Looking at what is offered on the new "Trail", (gray TRD Off road wheels, AWD dial from Limited, roof rack, some black trim on grill, rear cargo tray, and a cooler), I'd still have gone with the Pro hands down though I wonder if I can buy an AG cooler separately...
Horsethief
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What really bugs me about the 4Runner and esp the Taco is that they are geared high, with a transmission that wants to keep it at the lowest possible RPM (+/- 2K), yet the engines make barely any power in that rpm range. HP/TQ peaks are well over 4k rpm. It's a very mis-matched combo. I saw a dyno chart not too long ago, and at 2k rpm the 4.0 is making about 150h[/150tq. No wonder why it can't pull a modest grade without dropping 2 gears to maintain speed.
Some people have no problem revving the 4R past 4k every time, but that's not my driving style. All of the other vehicles I've owned have had good low end, I'm used to being able to drive with a light foot and let the vehicle shift at 2,500rpm. What makes it worse is how terrible the 4.0 sounds over 3k rpm. Sounds like a blender full of ball bearings.
Back on topic, I wished they'd picked a different name that "Trail". That's almost as bad as Chevy naming their new crossover the "Blazer".
And I'd be pissed if I just bought a new Army green PRO just for the color.
nimby
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As an SR5 owner, I'm smitten with how Toyota was able to troll both Pro and Trail owners in one fell swoop.
You know the Trail owners are saying "Awe shit, that sucks." :sobbing:
And the Pro owners are currently drafting strongly worded letters to Toyota Corporate in order to communicate their butt hurt. :argue:
Toyota will respond with something that in essence says "We give zero fvcks about your feelings. Go ahead and buy a Jeep, b!tch."
To which some will go out and buy Jeeps, but will inevitably come crawling back with their tail between their legs and Toyota will be right there waiting, like a drug dealer with the goods. :spy:
You know the Trail owners are saying "Awe shit, that sucks." :sobbing:
And the Pro owners are currently drafting strongly worded letters to Toyota Corporate in order to communicate their butt hurt. :argue:
Toyota will respond with something that in essence says "We give zero fvcks about your feelings. Go ahead and buy a Jeep, b!tch."
To which some will go out and buy Jeeps, but will inevitably come crawling back with their tail between their legs and Toyota will be right there waiting, like a drug dealer with the goods. :spy:
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Horsethief
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I think you mean GRAND Cherokee? It's always been a unibody, btw. It's not necessarily a "car body", in the way a RAV4 is basically an AWD Corolla.
I THINK the current WK2 Grand Cherokee is based on the same platform as the previous gen Mercedes MClass SUV. It's a holdover from when M-B owned Chrysler.
I think the earlier Grands were more of a competitor to the 4R, The first two generations of Grands had solid front axles, and could easily be built to be trail beasts. The current gen has lost some capability by having 4 wheel independent suspension, and all models below the Limited come standard with a single speed t-case, you need to get at least a LTD to get low range.
IMO the fact that they're unibody is immaterial to me. I think for this class of vehicle having a full frame is overrated, it's not like it gives a large towing capacity on the 4Runner, and on a Toyota it's just one more thing to rust out.
A unibody Grand Cherokee can come with a 5.7 V8 and tow up to 7200 lbs, so in towing and power it easily outclasses the 4R. The potential trade-off is reliability and resale.
I had a 97 Grand Cherokee, btw. Had the straight six and was very reliable for the 12 years and 165k that I owned it.
57HotrodVW
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I'm guessing a Kong cooler is way better than what is sure to be an overpriced Toyota cooler. I have a couple of Kong coolers, and they are awesome. Made in the US, lifetime guarantee, and hand over fist better than Yeti -- KONG Coolers - Coolers
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Tuco Ramirez
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LMAO and I'm sure it's pissing off all the Pro bro's
I have a Pro and I laughed. He is, for the most part, correct.
The people who seem angriest are the ones who now have to “share” their super special color. Like, wtf, grow the hell up.
Tuco Ramirez
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Cabelas brand cooler > the rest.
jrandom
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Official Toyota press release only states 4WD, no mention of AWD in the Trail editions section:
Toyota Rolls Seven 2021 Special Editions Into Chicago Auto Show - Toyota USA Newsroom
BlackCloud
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I'm dubious of Toyota's 4,000 vehicle claim. Remember when Upper Deck claimed they only made a limited number of Ken Griffey, Jr. trading cards? Downfall of the company it was.
I am particularly dubious since finding TRDPRO production #s are very hard to come by. Happy there are < 1,200 Quicksands left and dropping....
I am particularly dubious since finding TRDPRO production #s are very hard to come by. Happy there are < 1,200 Quicksands left and dropping....
Baystate4Runner
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So you like your cars made in Japan but for the coolers made in the US is the way to go?
progress4m
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You are absolutely correct! However, in light of tittle of this thread, "Trail" of 2010-13 years are “original” when it comes to current (5th gen) 4Runners and that what I was referring to.
DMC12Runner
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It's all good. AG is a great color as is Cement. At least Toyota listened to their customers who wanted more of these colors. Still, they shouldn't hype the specialty colors for the Pro anymore if this is what they are going to do going forward. I guess we shouldn't be surprised since the Tacoma has done this for a while now. It's one of those wish I would have known because it'd be a choice between the SR5 and Pro, which is a significant savings. I still think wife would have went Pro in the end, but it is nice to have the option now for those currently in the market.
20164runner
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jrandom
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He said "original" 14-16 aren't that they are 5.5's, but whatever semantics.
What is a mega-sized crock of sh!t, the 10-16 Trails all had MTS/Crawl/r-locker/KDSS and all the other bells and whistles. The "new" Trails have none of that and come with a fkn cooler? Seriously. Some straight-up marketing bullsh!t right there! :doh:
