2023 Toyota Sequoia
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So, question...In the Tundra ( I assume it will be the same in the new Sequoia.), can't you engage the 4wd mode without locking the center diff. Like inthe V6 4th Gen 4Runners.
If so, can't you have full time 4wd.
I know Toyota has gotten some flack for not having 4wd AUTO...I can recall that the 4wd AUTO or TOD (torque on demand) system were less than ideal on older vehicle from Ford (Explorer) and other manufacturers (Kia Sorento). The system would either fail to engage, slow to engage or would slam the drive line (hard engagement). I've heard of several people just removing the front drive shaft which defeats the purpose of having 4wd. Again, this is on older vehicles. Haven't heard anything on newer vehicles...yet.
KingPrat
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If I had to guess, the new 4R will not share styling cues with the Tundra/Sequoia. There has never really been an overlap in those models.
Much more likely for it to share styling cues from that new electric Tacoma they teased. Which I'm OK with as well. Looks a little Highlander-ish, but definitely potential to look fairly rugged.
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The new Sequoia is sick. Yes, it will be expensive, but they will release lower-priced trims. They don't do releases with SR5s.... I could see them starting in the same range as the current Sequoia.
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Jetboy
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There is no center differential in the tundra or new sequoia to lock. In 4wd it is the same as a locked center diff on transfer cases that have a center diff like the LC200 and some 3rd and 4th gen 4Runners. But there is no diff that locks. Just a dog clutch that engages the front output shaft to the rear.
So is no awd, TOD, or auto 4wd function for the new sequoia or tundra at this point. The only transfer case option is a traditional 2 speed 4x4 case that offers rwd, 4x4 locked, and 4lo (locked). Tundra has never offered awd. The outgoing sequoia did offer awd on most or all trims. My speculation is that the awd transfer case used is not strong enough for the torque from the hybrid system. And the awd isn't a popular truck option so the non-hybrid tundras also did not get it either.
I'm a little surprised there isn't a non-hybrid version with awd or an awd and just use torque limiting in the software. But that doesn't seem to be an option for the new models. Toyota is going a very different direction from the rest of the full size BOF crowd who mostly have eliminated the low range transfer case and all have gone IRS. With the solid rear axle, locker, 2 speed transfer case, and 9000lb tow rating - it's a tundra with extra seats.
AWD gets worse mpg. That may be another factor they considered. I'm very curious to see mpg numbers. They apparently are already EPA rated, but Toyota has a media hold until Feb 1 to release the specs. So we have to wait a few more days.
Just spitballing here - but it's also possible that they designed and awd case to handle the torque and supply chain issues mean they can't produce it yet and it'll be along in a year or two. Especially if it's electronically controlled. it would be easy to toss the Borg Warner case that the Tundra uses in for a year or two of production and release the awd model later. The LC300 was also supposed to have a hybrid and it hasn't shown up yet.
I haven't found a meaningful difference in actual use between my 4x4 4R, my RX awd on demand system with a center diff lock, or our IS full time awd. At least not that would be a difference maker for me choosing one vs another. I'd rather have rwd and 4x4 for better efficiency over awd and 4x4 as my choices. But I can see an argument for the awd as well. It's just not useful enough for me to choose over the better mileage on dry roads.
Jetboy
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Better shot of the interior than I've seen elsewhere.
IMO - at least initial look is like a higher end trim above the Land Cruiser 300.
Maybe even the LX600 too - at least the base model LX doesn't appear to be as nicely fitted. Hard to really tell without sitting in both though. It may look better but not be as nice of materials.
The only nit I find with the Capstone model interior is that the wood grain on the center console isn't matched. In lexus models the wood trim will be cut from a single piece so the grain all matches across the center console, dash, and door panels if you put them together. But it's probably just a pre-production model. I'm curious to see if they catch that detail in actual production models. Whatever the case - it's better than the obviously fake plastic wood in the outgoing models.
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Looks pretty nice, and WORLDS nicer than the old one. I'll wait for a hybrid version but thank goodness they upgraded it. My thoughts on off-roading...none of these huge beasts are going to be good off-roaders but they will take you off the beaten path (forest roads, mild trails) and back safely enough, as long as you don't think it is a real off-roader. Then you will leave parts of it off-road, or worse.
CajunMikeR
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From what some reviewers have been saying, the hybrid engine is the base/only engine available.
Blackwatch
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The new Sequoia looks great. I wouldn't touch one for 3-5 years. I think there's a significant difference in the quality of parts being used in the Tundra vs LC300 or LX. The Tundra's production has been cut in half this week and the hybrid Tundra is pushed back further. If they can fix the bugs and keep the price close to the Tahoe the new Sequoia will sell very well.
Jetboy
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What parts do you think are different?
Blackwatch
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2022 Toyota Tundra Technical Review | Everything you need to know! - YouTube
Should You Buy a Toyota Land Cruiser? What makes them so good? - YouTube
The first video discusses some differences with the 22 Tundras turbo system. The second video discusses the differences between the LC200 and gen 2.5 Tundra, both obviously with the 5.7.
I love this guys videos, very honest and knowledgeable. No one has come out and said the turbo is a different model but I do think things like the electric motor on the actuator will be subbed out to Mexican companies and the LC300 and Lexus will be built in Japan, having a much higher sticker price the upper end models with the 3.44 tt will most likely have better parts.
If the Prado, 4Runner and GX continue to share a lot of parts due to being built in Japan the quality issues may not be there in the 6th gen 4Runner. I'm not saying I would never buy a new Tundra or Sequoia or 4Runner, I would just wait a few years.
Should You Buy a Toyota Land Cruiser? What makes them so good? - YouTube
The first video discusses some differences with the 22 Tundras turbo system. The second video discusses the differences between the LC200 and gen 2.5 Tundra, both obviously with the 5.7.
I love this guys videos, very honest and knowledgeable. No one has come out and said the turbo is a different model but I do think things like the electric motor on the actuator will be subbed out to Mexican companies and the LC300 and Lexus will be built in Japan, having a much higher sticker price the upper end models with the 3.44 tt will most likely have better parts.
If the Prado, 4Runner and GX continue to share a lot of parts due to being built in Japan the quality issues may not be there in the 6th gen 4Runner. I'm not saying I would never buy a new Tundra or Sequoia or 4Runner, I would just wait a few years.
Jetboy
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It looks like lc300 is cheaper than the Sequoia based on current LC 300 prices. The GR sport is $70,500. I'd guess the TRD pro Sequoia is more. But we'll see in a few days. Price isn't necessarily indicating quality. But if it is I think it looks like the Sequoia is more expensive. If it comes in Lexus trim it seems like it'll be the the range topping model at Lexus. It would be hard to imagine the Lexus Sequoia (LX800?) being cheaper than the lx600.
We'll see when part numbers come out if they're identical or not. My bet is that they are identical engines. Will I interesting to see. I don't think they'll go with different heads because there's probably not a need for the torque curve change for the tundra tow/haul that was according to some folks the reason for the change in the 5.7. But I think we'll see in the next few months once the part numbers come out
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Blackwatch
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Last year I think the LC200 started at $85,000 usd. I've seen some videos online where the LC300 is just coming with the 4Runner engine, cloth seats and an 8 inch display. I think the LC300 would be close to $100,000 if it were sold in the US this year. The LX600 starts at $88,000. I'd say the base 2023 Sequoia will start in the low 60s and the TRD Pro will be in the $75,000 range. I believe the foreign prices on the LC300 aren't reflective of the options and emissions standards that were sold in the US.
I can't remember but the Tundra has some different variant of the LC300 turbo set up.
Horsethief
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I like it a lot, I'm pleasantly surprised by it. I love that it went back to a solid rear, and it's great that the OR package comes with the locker, crawl, etc.
To me it looks like a Highlander XL from the A pillar back, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The front end looks good too, less obnoxious than the Tundra.
I may be a buyer around 2030 or so on the used market. By then my 4R will be hitting 300k.
To me it looks like a Highlander XL from the A pillar back, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The front end looks good too, less obnoxious than the Tundra.
I may be a buyer around 2030 or so on the used market. By then my 4R will be hitting 300k.
Jetboy
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Those are current MSRP in foreign markets converted to USD. Normally those markets are higher for direct comparison models. For example the lc300 starts at $46k in Japan. The LX 570 in Japan starts at $98k - about $10k higher than the US market. (Australia needs a bunch of corrections to back out the real price because the advertised price includes taxes and insurance. so the Australia price doesn't translate well.) The USA lc200 was pretty close on MSRP to the rest of the world comparable trim which was top of the range. But it would have started about $40k in GX trim if they sold it in the USA.
The super base models through Toyota Gibraltar are less, but I don't really count them since private individuals can't buy them.
The LC 300 in top trim would probably be 1-2k less than the base LX. It was before. So about $86k. The normal actual sale price was usually about $78k for the lc200.
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I love it, but for me I think the third row seat and lost cargo space is a deal breaker. The fact that they evidently cannot be easily removed, and you lose a foot of floor height due to it means hauling gear in it is always going to be annoying. I think people are overlooking just how much rear cargo space is lost. The only other thing I didn't like that so many companies are doing now is using a infotainment display that looks like someone just decided to glue an iPad to the dash it doesn't follow the dash lines at all.
Two types of people buy big SUV's. Either you haul a ton of people, or you haul a lot of gear you don't want outside in a pickup bed. If you only haul people it's no big deal, but if you do the later dealing with that shelf and third row seats that won't come out looks like a constant annoyance. The 4 runner has significantly more cargo room in the back with how much space is lost between the batteries and the 3rd row seats. I'd happily take the loss of power of the hybrid for a normal rear cargo area that was flat and had significantly more volume.
Also, and Toyota did this with the 4 runner too for a long time, no pano-roof in the TRD Pro model. The real interesting question is pricing on the new 4-runner when....if it gets a redesign this year. The Sequoia TRD Pro is $66k but has a massive feature and power advantage over the 4-runner that's currently $53k. So if there's a new 4-runner that gets a lot of updates, where does it get priced.....it's not a small vehicle so if you price it too close to the Sequoia how many people will just buy that, esp. if the 4-runner is underpowered and lacks creature comforts. Especially when you consider that the 4-runner TRd pro pricing has already gone up 20% in 5 years.
Let's look at a comparison for rear cargo room:
2022 Yukon
Sequoia
Two types of people buy big SUV's. Either you haul a ton of people, or you haul a lot of gear you don't want outside in a pickup bed. If you only haul people it's no big deal, but if you do the later dealing with that shelf and third row seats that won't come out looks like a constant annoyance. The 4 runner has significantly more cargo room in the back with how much space is lost between the batteries and the 3rd row seats. I'd happily take the loss of power of the hybrid for a normal rear cargo area that was flat and had significantly more volume.
Also, and Toyota did this with the 4 runner too for a long time, no pano-roof in the TRD Pro model. The real interesting question is pricing on the new 4-runner when....if it gets a redesign this year. The Sequoia TRD Pro is $66k but has a massive feature and power advantage over the 4-runner that's currently $53k. So if there's a new 4-runner that gets a lot of updates, where does it get priced.....it's not a small vehicle so if you price it too close to the Sequoia how many people will just buy that, esp. if the 4-runner is underpowered and lacks creature comforts. Especially when you consider that the 4-runner TRd pro pricing has already gone up 20% in 5 years.
Let's look at a comparison for rear cargo room:
2022 Yukon
Sequoia
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Jetboy
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I love it, but for me I think the third row seat and lost cargo space is a deal breaker. The fact that they evidently cannot be easily removed, and you lose a foot of floor height due to it means hauling gear in it is always going to be annoying. I think people are overlooking just how much rear cargo space is lost. The only other thing I didn't like that so many companies are doing now is using a infotainment display that looks like someone just decided to glue an iPad to the dash it doesn't follow the dash lines at all.
Two types of people buy big SUV's. Either you haul a ton of people, or you haul a lot of gear you don't want outside in a pickup bed. If you only haul people it's no big deal, but if you do the later dealing with that shelf and third row seats that won't come out looks like a constant annoyance. The 4 runner has significantly more cargo room in the back with how much space is lost between the batteries and the 3rd row seats. I'd happily take the loss of power of the hybrid for a normal rear cargo area that was flat and had significantly more volume.
Also, and Toyota did this with the 4 runner too for a long time, no pano-roof in the TRD Pro model. The real interesting question is pricing on the new 4-runner when....if it gets a redesign this year. The Sequoia TRD Pro is $66k but has a massive feature and power advantage over the 4-runner that's currently $53k. So if there's a new 4-runner that gets a lot of updates, where does it get priced.....it's not a small vehicle so if you price it too close to the Sequoia how many people will just buy that, esp. if the 4-runner is underpowered and lacks creature comforts. Especially when you consider that the 4-runner TRd pro pricing has already gone up 20% in 5 years.
Let's look at a comparison for rear cargo room:
2022 Yukon
Sequoia
The cargo area hybrid situation is a real head scratcher. Especially if it only does one MPG better like the tundra. I think most people would prefer to not have the hybrid because of that cargo space. For an extra 40 horsepower that vehicle really doesn't need- hopefully they will come out with a non-hybrid model as well.
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