33s on your 4runner? pictures please

[kregg]

sorry, I pretty much no nothing about my 4runner. Its my winter car, I just need some new tires and want something alittle more aggressive then the 265/75s on it now, But i also dont want to get too big of a tire in which it just looks stupid and like i dont have a lift anymore also trying to avoid getting spacers

If you want a more aggressive tire that's fine. They make aggressive tires in stock sizes. 265/75/r16 is the biggest you can fit without modifying suspension components.

ok i just thought about it, If i need to get spacers i can deal with that if they are under $50, where do you guys shop online?

What kind of spacers are you referring to?

Wheel spacers (Spidertrax) mount to the hub face and move the wheel/tire outward, away from the fender wells. They do not change ride height. Mainly for aesthetics on a stock height truck. On a lifted vehicle with wider tires they help the tire clear the frame rails.

Coil Spring Spacers mount in between the top plate and the coil spring and provide lift. a cheap way to gain some clearance, but you sacrifice ride quality and performance.

$50 ain't gonna get you much, no matter what you are trying to do.



My $.02 --

This is your winter vehicle. You haven't said anything about wheeling. And you only want to spend $50, but are in the market for more aggressive tires.

Buy more aggressive tires in 265/75 size, don't worry about a lift, unless you A.) Have the extra money to blow or B.) Are going to use it for wheeling (New Coils/Shocks)

Any more ?'s.. We're glad to help. But seriously buddy I just answered all of your questions from posts I've made and know that hundreds of these other guys have answered. SEARCH is your friend. Welcome to t4r.org!!! :bigok:

 

[LINY4Runner]

if you have 3.9 gears, dont' even think about 33".

oh, come now...it's not that bad...

 

[inshore4runner]

oh, come now...it's not that bad...

its only 12MPG bad.... :bravo:

 

[TC4Rnr]

let me tell ya this, I could feel the difference because my is a manual. aside of 12mpg(seriously), it's sloow. try get on a incline or merge in on the free entrance, some times it gets scary.

it's specially bad because if I remembered it right, 3.9 gears only come with auto, bigger tires mess up the ECU on speed, load, it would shift more often. it can put some damage on the tranny really quickly.

 

[LINY4Runner]

its only 12MPG bad.... :bravo:

apparently it's around 18 when you take into account the extra distance traveled with the bigger tires :shrug:

 

[LINY4Runner]

oh yeah, on topic...

here's 33's with just a 2.5" spacer lift. Rubs like crazy. Usless off road. Don't bother.


here's those same 33's done right. OME 882 in the front, LC SE coils in the back, 2" Body Lift, no running boards.

 

[fightman80]

I'd go with Liny's setup. At the very least, try what I've got, but make sure you run a body lift. I've got the OME 890's and 2.5" Skyjacker lift shocks in the rear, and Toytec Spacer lift in the front with no Body lift, and it rubs. I had to trim the lower plastic valance on the front bumper and remove my front mud flaps in order to drive it, and when the truck articulates, the rear rubs pretty bad! Next up, BODYLIFT!

Here's my junk:

 

[Mr. Leary]

let me tell ya this, I could feel the difference because my is a manual. aside of 12mpg(seriously), it's sloow. try get on a incline or merge in on the free entrance, some times it gets scary.

it's specially bad because if I remembered it right, 3.9 gears only come with auto, bigger tires mess up the ECU on speed, load, it would shift more often. it can put some damage on the tranny really quickly.

Turn the OD off, make it a 3 gear tranny. Letting the engine spin up is the key to keeping the tranny happy. Low RPMs make everything work to hard.... kinda like trying to do lunges for a mile instead of walking.

apparently it's around 18 when you take into account the extra distance traveled with the bigger tires :shrug:

Improper gearing means the engine is not spinning in its pwer band... so a lot of what it is doing is turning gas into noise.

Debating getting a set of 33 x 11

If money is a concern, don't.

There are lots of modifications that you need to make for 33s to fit and show you any real benefit.

Best bet is a mild suspension lift, some good MTs or All Terrains, and go out and drive it for a while. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised at the capability of 32s. Keep in mind most trails are cut by Jeeps with 31s.

 

[Justin727]

Best bet is a mild suspension lift, some good MTs or All Terrains, and go out and drive it for a while. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised at the capability of 32s. Keep in mind most trails are cut by Jeeps with 31s.

:iagree:

I've got 32's due to the part that I'm also running a larger wheel that is also heavier. (18's)
There's alot of Taco's and Frontier's in my area running 32's and going thru some nice trails.

 

[brian2sun]

oh yeah, on topic...

here's 33's with just a 2.5" spacer lift. Rubs like crazy. Usless off road. Don't bother.

Damn dude, your springs must have been shot! My truck sat way higher than that when I had a 2.5" spacer lift. I did 15 minutes worth of trimming and was able to fit 285s no problem without rubbing at full compression and full lock. Here's mine with a Daystar lift and 305/70s (33x12) which did rub a little and I don't recommend running:

Also, I have a 1" body lift (not in this picture) but it's not required to run 285s. I didn't rub on mine even before the BL (not with my OMEs or my old Daystar).

 

[TC4Rnr]

apparently it's around 18 when you take into account the extra distance traveled with the bigger tires :shrug:

I'd like to see the proof of that. when you increase the tire size, your engine may have to put out extra 15% of the work to gain the extra 5% distance. that's why the engine has a power curve, not a straight line.

just an example, friend of mine is a fishing boat skipper. the twin diesel engines run 20 gallons per hour when cruising at 10 knots(11mph). when bump the speed to 14 knots, the fuel consumption jumped to 40 gallon per hour, 100% increase.

 

[brian2sun]

I'd like to see the proof of that. when you increase the tire size, your engine may have to put out extra 15% of the work to gain the extra 5% distance. that's why the engine has a power curve, not a straight line.

The proof of that is when the axle turns, the odo/speedo counts axle revolutions and then computes that to miles. If one revolution = say 4.5 ft traveled with a 225/75R15, than that distance will be more like 5 or 5.5 ft with a 285/75R16. The speedo/odo only counts the revolutions of the axle - Not the actual distance traveled.

If the tire turned 100 revolutions and traveled 4.5' per revolution than your odo would say you traveled 450 ft. Now, if you put on a 285 and it travels 5.5' per revolution, then you would have traveled 550, but the odo would still read that you only traveled 450. If you're getting 100 feet farther than it reads, you actually getting agout 20% better gas mileage than what it's telling you.

 

[TC4Rnr]

The proof of that is when the axle turns, the odo/speedo counts axle revolutions and then computes that to miles. If one revolution = say 4.5 ft traveled with a 225/75R15, than that distance will be more like 5 or 5.5 ft with a 285/75R16. The speedo/odo only counts the revolutions of the axle - Not the actual distance traveled.

If the tire turned 100 revolutions and traveled 4.5' per revolution than your odo would say you traveled 450 ft. Now, if you put on a 285 and it travels 5.5' per revolution, then you would have traveled 550, but the odo would still read that you only traveled 450. If you're getting 100 feet farther than it reads, you actually getting agout 20% better gas mileage than what it's telling you.

are you sure your speedo is calibrated based on 225/75/15(29") tires? that size only comes in on the base models, aka 4cyl. no matter what it says on the data tag on the driver's door. all the 3.4 V6 powered SR5, sport and limited 3rd gen's come with 265/70/16(31") tires standard.

the circumference of 265/70/16 is ~96", 285/75/16 is ~103", the difference is only 7%.

when I switched from stock size tires to 265/75/16(32"), the actual distance traveled is 3% more than speedo reading. it has been proven both on paper and by GPS.

but, remember, the engine has to burn more than 7% extra fuel to gain the 7% extra distance.

 

[brian2sun]

are you sure your speedo is calibrated based on 225/75/15(29") tires? that size only comes in on the base models, aka 4cyl. no matter what it says on the data tag on the driver's door. all the 3.4 V6 powered SR5, sport and limited 3rd gen's come with 265/70/16(31") tires standard.

the circumference of 265/70/16 is ~96", 285/75/16 is ~103", the difference is only 7%.

when I switched from stock size tires to 265/75/16(32"), the actual distance traveled is 3% more than speedo reading. it has been proven both on paper and by GPS.

but, remember, the engine has to burn more than 7% extra fuel to gain the 7% extra distance.

My example of a 20% difference was just an illustration to explain the concept. It does take more gas to get the bigger tires going initially, but once they get rolling it takes less. My reasoning is based off the fact that if LINY (for instance) is getting 192 miles on 16 gallons of gas, he's getting 12 mpg. If his speedo and odo are say 13% off then he's really going about 217 miles on 16 gallons which is about 13.5 mpg.

If his odo reading divided by gallons of gas used says he's getting 12, he's really getting more than that because of his 33s, but 18 mpg would be almost a 35% difference and I would agree that's too far off - that would be more like if he was running 40s. Also, once you get moving, larger tires will cause the engine to do lower rpms at any given speed. Example: If you do 2500 at 65 mph with 29s, once you go to 33s you rpms at 65 mph will now drop down to about 2200 rpms.

I wasn't aware that 225s only came on the 4 bangers. Are you sure that's correct? I always assumed mine came with those originally just because my door sticker said so. It makes me wonder if Toyota even calibrated the speedos/odos differently for the ones that came with 265/70R16s. My guess is they are all calibrated for 225s. If so, that would make it about a 13% difference between 225s and 285s.

 

[Justin727]

I wasn't aware that 225s only came on the 4 bangers. Are you sure that's correct? I always assumed mine came with those originally just because my door sticker said so. It makes me wonder if Toyota even calibrated the speedos/odos differently for the ones that came with 265/70R16s. My guess is they are all calibrated for 225s. If so, that would make it about a 13% difference between 225s and 285s.

Yup that's correct edit: the 4cylinder's do come with 15's

F*ckin Iphone I didn't correctly read the statement.

 

[JohnsD90]

Yup that's correct

Well i looked at LINY4runners engine and there was definetly 6 cylinders, and thats besides the fact that the 4cl was dropped after 00. And LINY had 15's and 225's stock. So it is Indeed false. Door jambs are false though.

 

[TC4Rnr]

try put 15" rims on your front hubs. I did, I couldn't. the brake dust cover was too big for the 15" rims.

I don't know jow LINY got his 13%, again, I don't believe it till I see it.

ok, to the OP, here is mine with 285/75/16 ProComp MT's. I had to get rid of them because 13mpg on a good day. that's when I first lifted it, before the ISR, deckplate, front bumper, rear bumper, etc. I went back to 265/75 for 16mpg.

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[brian2sun]

Well i looked at LINY4runners engine and there was definetly 6 cylinders, and thats besides the fact that the 4cl was dropped after 00. And LINY had 15's and 225's stock. So it is Indeed false. Door jambs are false though.

I thought so, thanks for the info John. I wasn't thinking about it earlier, but I have tried 15" rims on mine and they fit. I also think I have the (15") smaller brake calipers (at least I think I do).

 

[Duhockey]

My example of a 20% difference was just an illustration to explain the concept. It does take more gas to get the bigger tires going initially, but once they get rolling it takes less. My reasoning is based off the fact that if LINY (for instance) is getting 192 miles on 16 gallons of gas, he's getting 12 mpg. If his speedo and odo are say 13% off then he's really going about 217 miles on 16 gallons which is about 13.5 mpg.

If his odo reading divided by gallons of gas used says he's getting 12, he's really getting more than that because of his 33s, but 18 mpg would be almost a 35% difference and I would agree that's too far off - that would be more like if he was running 40s. Also, once you get moving, larger tires will cause the engine to do lower rpms at any given speed. Example: If you do 2500 at 65 mph with 29s, once you go to 33s you rpms at 65 mph will now drop down to about 2200 rpms.

I wasn't aware that 225s only came on the 4 bangers. Are you sure that's correct? I always assumed mine came with those originally just because my door sticker said so. It makes me wonder if Toyota even calibrated the speedos/odos differently for the ones that came with 265/70R16s. My guess is they are all calibrated for 225s. If so, that would make it about a 13% difference between 225s and 285s.

Im pretty sure that Linys were 15" rims when he got them which means he had to have the 225s right??

and this is waaaay to much math for me! LOL

edit: Also, I know that 4wheel parts thought that all 4runners came with 15" stock, but thats not possible because the calipers and rotors will not allow 15" Rims on alot of 4runners, like mine.

 

[TC4Rnr]

If his odo reading divided by gallons of gas used says he's getting 12, he's really getting more than that because of his 33s, but 18 mpg would be almost a 35% difference and I would agree that's too far off - that would be more like if he was running 40s. Also, once you get moving, larger tires will cause the engine to do lower rpms at any given speed. Example: If you do 2500 at 65 mph with 29s, once you go to 33s you rpms at 65 mph will now drop down to about 2200 rpms.

rpm doesn't mean much in this case. your engine's fuel consumption is different at 2200rpm when

a.) the transmission is at idle, 1st gear, 2nd gear, ....5th gear.
b.) same gear going uphill and flat,
c) same gear, same road, but heavy load, light load.

why? it's called engine load. the ECU controls how much fuel and air is needed at the xxxx rpm based on the torque output. more torque, more fuel. bigger tires require the engine putting out more torque to drive it. remember "power curve"? it's not linear. every engine has it's own sweet spot, that's why we have different gear ratio's, tire sizes.

ever noticed all the cars with good mpg's have small tires.

also, increase the tread width from 265 to 275 creates more drag, it wastes more fuel.