Mooney
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Do they become hypothermic?
4runner TRD Pro
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Do they become hypothermic?
4RunnerTRDPRO
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Picked up my black TRD Pro today. I was waiting on the super white one, but made the mistake of test driving attitude black. Proud new owner of attitude blackNow I just need Shrockworks to hurry up with my step sliders.
Grats! T-minus 2-3 months and counting for mine. Lol. May have all mods in before the 4Runner.
No matter how well you seal a vehicle against water intrusion, it will eventually find its way into places where it shouldn't be. Knowing that, they (Jeep) put a spec (which I believe was 20 or 30 minutes) of sitting in 20" water without any water getting into places it shouldn't... that's the idea behind the time and depth rating.
It's about the water, not about the specific vehicles. Actually, the real point that interests me is if water gets inside the passenger compartment, hence my question on the door seals of the latest 4Runner. I did manage to get water inside my 4th gen one time during a water crossing and it was no fun to clean up & dry out.
I remember a lot of guys on the 4th gen forum would extended a breather tube on the rear diff to prevent water from getting inside during deep water crossing. Do any of the 5th gens (TRD Pro included) have breather extensions for that very reason?
4RunnerTRDPRO
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So I looked up cars.com this morning and found a white one 65mi from me. Fml! lol. However, My order is locked in with no deposit and I got a decent quote on my taco trade in from an initial 25k to 28k once the gm personally inspected my add ons.- roll n lock, OEM trd exhaust, and OEM rack. Back to waiting.... For those in jackson tn, there's a white one!
LandCruiser
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This reminds me of the discussions on gun forums whether someone's gun is "battle tested" or a version of some weapon only "Tier 1-infinity operators" use.
If you buy a brand new 4x4 off of the lot and then proceed to drive it through a stream you don't know how deep it is, or just apparently drive it into the ocean like the Jeep guy did, you're an idiot.
If you put it in 4x4 and then drive it off road at the same desert racing truck speed as you see on the commercials, you're an idiot.
If it doesn't come with a snorkel from the dealership and factory breather mods, it was never meant to go through anything deeper than a small puddle of standing water.
If you dunk a modern car in water you can damage the wheel bearing, diffs, transmission, door electrics, crush and yaw sensors, airbag sensors, etc. That doesn't even begin to describe the stench of the carpet padding sucking up swamp stank.
This is probably the only factory vehicle I'd be confident to dump in the water.
And the snorkel is more for outback dust, than water.
just a heads up, found a white one in the middle of Ohio.
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Saker
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I agree with most of what you have an opinion on here, but what do you say about this from Toyota?
See Pic below.
No rear diff breather mods installed from factory, thats why we install them.
Not for everyone, I'm sure, but we still do it as a precaustion. All other breathers are up much higher in the engine compartment.
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LandCruiser
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I call BS, my FJ Cruiser's transmission and T/O bearing died from sucking water from much shallower water crossings.
Saker
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Well....that is straight from their brochure, maybe you should have taken that BS up with Toyota....
Don't shoot the messenger, my friend!
Not sure if you actually watched the video or not, but if you did watch it, then you'd know that the Jeep wasn't the first vehicle to cross the water. There were several other vehicles that crossed it first. That said, I think it is obvious that the Jeep owner had a really good idea of the water depth.
Really? LOL, try to tell that to Land Rover. Even their newest, most high tech Range Rover and Range Rover Sport are able to withstand more than 30" of water without incurring any damage. I don't see snorkels on those vehicles. And I certainly wouldn't consider 30" of water to be a small puddle, so I'd have to disagree with you.
All very true. But also very true is that you can "dunk" a modern car in water and not suffer damage to any of the things you mentioned as well. Do you actually have an experience with water crossings in anything other than a boat?
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T4R TRD PRO prices?
So what people paying for the TRD PRO 4Runners? I have been shopping around in the Southern California area and most dealer aren't even bothering to talk price because they say at this point, they can't seem to get any. One got a one white one and it was sold before it got there. The rest said they are waiting, one told me to hold out and I'd be able to get one. One rudely said unless you are willing to pay $3k over MSPR forget it they wouldn't even talk to me.
Curious of other experiences. I have in the past bought high demand vehicles where I waited 4 months to get exactly what I wanted but I never have and never will pay OVER MSRP, seems silly. That said I understand that sometimes you just gotta have something.
So what people paying for the TRD PRO 4Runners? I have been shopping around in the Southern California area and most dealer aren't even bothering to talk price because they say at this point, they can't seem to get any. One got a one white one and it was sold before it got there. The rest said they are waiting, one told me to hold out and I'd be able to get one. One rudely said unless you are willing to pay $3k over MSPR forget it they wouldn't even talk to me.
Curious of other experiences. I have in the past bought high demand vehicles where I waited 4 months to get exactly what I wanted but I never have and never will pay OVER MSRP, seems silly. That said I understand that sometimes you just gotta have something.
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That's a pretty typical response from most dealerships. One never even heard of the TRD Pro. One couldn't even order one. One quoted me MSRP. One quoted me in writing $500 under MSRP which also included a lifetime powertrain warranty (but I didn't qualify as my business was going to be on the title for tax write-off and the warranty specifies that it can't be for business use).
I ordered one from another dealer that quoted me in writing $1000 under MSRP and I got them to throw in the running boards and sliding cargo tray ($700? MSRP). That dealership really didn't seem to know what they were getting or ordering so I think that's why I was able to talk them down. I was tempted to push them a little further but didn't want to risk blowing the deal.
Mine should be here in January. I ordered an inferno. I can't freakin' wait!!!
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txbonds
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For You guys arguing about water crossings, most any vehicle can ford more water than you think if you maintain proper speed and bow wave. The vehicle itself creates a sort of pocket for itself to ride in. The big problem is if the depth changes or you get stuck mid-stream.
I had a situation with my 01 Land Rover where a few dozen folks crossed a stream ahead of me. Depth was probably 2.5 feet deep on average at the deepest point. The floor was littered with river stones. Everyone else crossed fine and myself following the exact same path became high centered mid stream when my rear diff rode up onto one of the stones lifting me just enough to break traction on the sandy bottom.
What had been a perfectly fine and dry crossing instantly became a flooded front cabin and a race to get a strap to the other side before the engine flooded out. Anyway, point being you can ford water in a yugo if you drive right and the stars are aligned and you can have issues in a unimog if luck doesn't go your way that day.
I had a situation with my 01 Land Rover where a few dozen folks crossed a stream ahead of me. Depth was probably 2.5 feet deep on average at the deepest point. The floor was littered with river stones. Everyone else crossed fine and myself following the exact same path became high centered mid stream when my rear diff rode up onto one of the stones lifting me just enough to break traction on the sandy bottom.
What had been a perfectly fine and dry crossing instantly became a flooded front cabin and a race to get a strap to the other side before the engine flooded out. Anyway, point being you can ford water in a yugo if you drive right and the stars are aligned and you can have issues in a unimog if luck doesn't go your way that day.
LandCruiser
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All true, but how I drowned my 80 series was two things:
1) breather tube failure. I either blame my laziness in not checking the system or rodents. I'm going with rodents.
2) slippery rock that impeded my forward progress and suddenly bogged me down midstream and the bow wake I was carefully nurturing sloshed back and forth on me
I'm no stranger to changing out diff grease and checking for that nasty water infiltration, but unless you're willing to take your diffs apart every time that happens and check for water--and are lazy and assume it's okay, you'll be spending some time later fixing the damn thing.
I avoid water. I may be over attributing failures later down the road for drowning the transmission and diffs, but I've had two trucks that have not behaved after water crossings and have no plans on taking my 5th gen through anything deep.
Exactly. Experience and technique plays a big role when it comes to water crossing. Maintaining a bow wake is something that everyone should learn how to do.
kpd1999
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I like the plate. But more importantly, do you like it? If so, who cares what everyone else thinks?? Go for it.
farsider3000
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Water fording... Toyota vs Land Rover & Jeep
The major difference between Toyota water fording capabilities and that of Land Rover and Jeep is that Land Rover and Jeep both publish the maximum water fording depth their vehicles are designed to withstand (Jeep trail rated) on their website. Land Rover even has a sensor telling you when the water is approaching the maximum depth as you traverse the body of water.
Toyota does not publish anything about the maximum water fording depth and we are left only to guess based on experience. That is the one area I would like to see Toyota step up their game if they want to be viewed as a major player in the off road market. This tells me that Toyota is most likely being told by their legal staff not to publish an actual number. For the record I am about to buy my first 4Runner.
The major difference between Toyota water fording capabilities and that of Land Rover and Jeep is that Land Rover and Jeep both publish the maximum water fording depth their vehicles are designed to withstand (Jeep trail rated) on their website. Land Rover even has a sensor telling you when the water is approaching the maximum depth as you traverse the body of water.
Toyota does not publish anything about the maximum water fording depth and we are left only to guess based on experience. That is the one area I would like to see Toyota step up their game if they want to be viewed as a major player in the off road market. This tells me that Toyota is most likely being told by their legal staff not to publish an actual number. For the record I am about to buy my first 4Runner.
I know for a fact that Toyota did publish a number for the water depth on the FJ Cruiser. I don't remember what that number is, but I do know that they did have a number.
