I was there in my 4Mogger
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I was there in my 4Mogger
wfo9
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So I followed some tracks in the rocks. Really? There are tons of different routes up on the top. you guys are that anal about this stuff? My ground pressure was less than yours so I did less damage LOL. A little common sense goes a long way folks. If you are worried about the environment so much... ban the side by sides and rentals. I saw them doing some major damage the way they drive those things... I even had a "talk" with some of them.
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Gotta love these armchair environmentalists. They would sh*t a brick if they saw half the stuff I have....namely groups of 10-15 $100k+ custom offroad buggies going straight down creeks here in AZ with sound systems blaring and rockstar/budlight cans in their wake. These weren't small buggies either....the size of fullsize pickups with what I can only estimate as 45" tires. They were using the creek literally as their road.
Simpleman74
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not to mention pulling off the side of the road to sleep with your sister too.... YEEEEHHHHAAAAWWWW
Engineer
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For those questioning [MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] lets take this discussion to a different thread and leave this for nice photos and trail discussions....after my opinion below
None of us except the OP were there in that exact location to know what the trail did or didn't do. Everything else is speculation and opinion. My OPINION from seeing the posts of [MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] is that he wheels hard and seems very responsible and wants the trails to remain in good shape / open for future generations. I would be willing to bet he has even cleaned up the trail after others leaving trash, or major ruts etc
None of us except the OP were there in that exact location to know what the trail did or didn't do. Everything else is speculation and opinion. My OPINION from seeing the posts of [MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] is that he wheels hard and seems very responsible and wants the trails to remain in good shape / open for future generations. I would be willing to bet he has even cleaned up the trail after others leaving trash, or major ruts etc
Vettethret
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What an Epic picture!!!! Colorado is so beautiful, have been trying to convince the wife to move there for almost 2 years, looks like I might have to Divorce her to make it as reality!:naughty:
USMCRUNNER
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Awesome pics and has me counting down to September 1st when my family moves to Grand Junction! Can't wait to call Colorado home!
veloindy
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I was going to let it go. But, we spend a lot of time and effort to keep people ON THE TRAIL. Education goes a long way. The picture wasn't from a campsite. It was taken from a very popular route. Usually these discussions happen with groups outside of Toyota. Frankly I'm a little shocked this has to happen on a 4Runner dedicated site.
I know STAY THE TRAIL was addressed at the FJ Summit on DAY 1. Imagine if everybody thought it was OK to pull over in high altitude tundra areas and take pictures wherever they felt entitled to do so.
STAY THE TRAIL is a very large supporter of the FJ Summit and it would be nice keep it that way. Scroll down to the post from July 22nd for more detail. People got spanked because snowbanks looked like fun to drive through. The situation was handled professionally and offline.
https://www.facebook.com/staythetrail/?fref=ts
I don't care what pasture you tear up in TX, or river in AZ, have at it. In CO, we care, we live here and want it to stay beautiful.
Here's a little education on alpine tundra above 11k feet for those that don't understand how fragile it is.
alpine tundra in the rockies
https://www.nps.gov/romo/learn/nature/alpine_tundra_ecosystem.htm
It isn't hard, just keep your tires where they should be.
I know STAY THE TRAIL was addressed at the FJ Summit on DAY 1. Imagine if everybody thought it was OK to pull over in high altitude tundra areas and take pictures wherever they felt entitled to do so.
STAY THE TRAIL is a very large supporter of the FJ Summit and it would be nice keep it that way. Scroll down to the post from July 22nd for more detail. People got spanked because snowbanks looked like fun to drive through. The situation was handled professionally and offline.
https://www.facebook.com/staythetrail/?fref=ts
I don't care what pasture you tear up in TX, or river in AZ, have at it. In CO, we care, we live here and want it to stay beautiful.
Here's a little education on alpine tundra above 11k feet for those that don't understand how fragile it is.
alpine tundra in the rockies
https://www.nps.gov/romo/learn/nature/alpine_tundra_ecosystem.htm
It isn't hard, just keep your tires where they should be.
Let me clarify and say I'm not one that goes out and destroys nature, merely was sharing an experience that was so over the top that it makes people that complain that one tire left the trail for 10 feet seem inconsequential. I often fill up a 5 gallon bucket full of trash anytime I go out. But I will point out its possible to go the other way... when the Forest Service closes historic dirt roads that have existed for literally a 100 years because they are trying to "reclaim" the wilderness. They are doing this with increased frequency.
I do want to head up to Ouray and explore around after seeing these pics. I recently read a book about Otto Mears and all the roads/railroads he built in the silver country there (Ouray and nearby towns)....I'm sure a lot of the dirt roads you're traveling on were built by ol' Otto in the late 1800's.
I do want to head up to Ouray and explore around after seeing these pics. I recently read a book about Otto Mears and all the roads/railroads he built in the silver country there (Ouray and nearby towns)....I'm sure a lot of the dirt roads you're traveling on were built by ol' Otto in the late 1800's.
Simpleman74
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you ASSUME others are not educated in respectful/active preservation.....
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veloindy
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you ASSUME others are not educated in respectful/active preservation.....
Or, by evidence in this thread.... :der:
Alpine roads are reclaimed and shut down because of people not following the rules. Environmental groups love events like the FJ Summit. People do things because they don't realize what it is. How many people do you think were out watching and photographing people not staying on the trail last weekend? They would love to shut down down every single non paved road out of Ouray.
Simpleman74
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only thing I see is armchair quarterbacking for a trail pose
veloindy
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Keep your eye on Independence Pass. It's a pretty good barometer. October is generally good, but prepared for anything. End of Sept is absolutely beautiful when the aspens start changing.
https://www.codot.gov/projects/SH82/independence-pass/independence-pass-travel-information.html
wfo9
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I agree with being a good trail steward in sensitive areas ... I always have and will be a tread lightly advocate.. But it is a balance, not a one way street like some people think. I don't believe it is a crime or an entitled attitude to take a picture or step on grass in a careful controlled manner using common sense about your impact. Now going out onto a snow pack or wetland and doing donuts... cutting a new trail... that is a very different thing. I think some people get a bit too caught up in the hype and think they are above it all. I obviously understand why it is important to stay on the trail. I even have the sticker LOL
I agree there are problematic users out there... but I did not see many full size vechile doing anything destructive.. (except one jeep going way too fast) On the other hand. I saw several bikes and side by sides (mostly side by sides) acting like total fools. I also witnessed what could have been a fatality situation related to a side by side in a hurry to get out of the rain in very slick low visibility conditions... They are your #1 concern, not the responsible full size who stopped to take a picture or eat a sandwich.
In summary, I respect the stay on the trail movement and agree with it 100%. I just don't think people should always assume the worst and pick everything apart.
First, I want to thank wf09 for the awesome pictures, and the mature attitude during this discussion. I trust that he is indeed responsible, based on the ongoing discussion, although I can see how that first picture could give pause. I'll let that be for now, as we all should, I think.
The San Juan's are my favorite area in Colorado, although I don't get down there nearly often enough. Wf09, since you didn't put labels on locations for the pictures, just for fun I thought I'd take a crack at identifying them and you can tell me how good I did.
- Original first one, now removed, looked like Mineral Point above Animas Forks, looking down the valley toward Silverton. Just below Engineer pass.
- Current first one is Bridal Veil falls at the base of Black Bear pass above Telluride.
- 2nd one I'll guess is crossing the creek near Camp Bird on the north side of Imogene Pass near the bottom
- 3rd one is near the top of Imogene, looking back down toward Telluride
- 4th one is the north side of Imogene. 2nd choice would be the west side of Ophir.
- 5th one is the same as the 3rd one
- #6 is the wall at Poughkeepsie Gulch
- #7 you gave away - the steps on Black Bear looking down into Telluride
How'd I do?
The San Juan's are my favorite area in Colorado, although I don't get down there nearly often enough. Wf09, since you didn't put labels on locations for the pictures, just for fun I thought I'd take a crack at identifying them and you can tell me how good I did.
- Original first one, now removed, looked like Mineral Point above Animas Forks, looking down the valley toward Silverton. Just below Engineer pass.
- Current first one is Bridal Veil falls at the base of Black Bear pass above Telluride.
- 2nd one I'll guess is crossing the creek near Camp Bird on the north side of Imogene Pass near the bottom
- 3rd one is near the top of Imogene, looking back down toward Telluride
- 4th one is the north side of Imogene. 2nd choice would be the west side of Ophir.
- 5th one is the same as the 3rd one
- #6 is the wall at Poughkeepsie Gulch
- #7 you gave away - the steps on Black Bear looking down into Telluride
How'd I do?
wfo9
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I really don't remember every location. I think you got 3-7, plus the new #1 correct.
#2 was on mineral creek if memory serves me correctly.
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LawnDart
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So is that a trail? :bravo:
That was part of Tomboy and on the trail. Not part of the Tundra.
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