5Th Gen Locking gas cap update?

[HwyChile]

It's funny how you quote an article on the internet (from a questionable site like eHow no less) that supports your position then go on to talk about misinformation from articles on the internet. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, just pointing out the humour in it.

I guess what I am saying and what most people should know is that you cannot believe everything that you read on the internet or see on TV. You have to be able to determine what is true and what is not. I gave actual personal facts to back up what was said in the quote, so that is why I chose it as being true and correct. I have personally seen sugar ruin an engine. There is a lot of stuff not true on the internet and a lot of stuff that is. You have to be able to tell the difference.

ToyG, I know truth when I see it no matter where it comes form, even when it is from ehow. You are correct that a lot of information on ehow and other sites is wrong, but there are some things (not a lot) that are posted that are correct. The article that I quoted from is correct whether you believe it or not. As far as dissolving sugar, ever have a glass of Kool Aid? You can dissolve sugar in warm water and it will go right through your filter (or at least parts of it will). As far as not using a gas cap, that is a personal choice just like locking your car, removing the keys from the ignition, etc. If someone really wanted to steal your car they could tow it, so why have keys to a car? As you can see, it is a pretty silly argument because these precautions, including having a locking gas cap, do not stop all bad deeds. They only stop some of them or maybe divert them to some other type of bad deed (keyed car or cut tire instead of sugared gas tank). It's a personal decision on how much each person does to prevent crime to their property. What works for one person may not work for another. One other thing you said plays into it as well. Where you live makes a big difference. I don't live around folks who are currently doing the things that you posted (puncturing tanks, stealing cars from homes, etc.), so what I am doing only stops less experience bad folks (kids, etc.).

 

[eddiebx]

I guess what I am saying and what most people should know is that you cannot believe everything that you read on the internet or see on TV. You have to be able to determine what is true and what is not. I gave actual personal facts to back up what was said in the quote, so that is why I chose it as being true and correct. I have personally seen sugar ruin an engine. There is a lot of stuff not true on the internet and a lot of stuff that is. You have to be able to tell the difference.

ToyG, I know truth when I see it no matter where it comes form, even when it is from ehow. You are correct that a lot of information on ehow and other sites is wrong, but there are some things (not a lot) that are posted that are correct. The article that I quoted from is correct whether you believe it or not. As far as dissolving sugar, ever have a glass of Kool Aid? You can dissolve sugar in warm water and it will go right through your filter (or at least parts of it will). As far as not using a gas cap, that is a personal choice just like locking your car, removing the keys from the ignition, etc. If someone really wanted to steal your car they could tow it, so why have keys to a car? As you can see, it is a pretty silly argument because these precautions, including having a locking gas cap, do not stop all bad deeds. They only stop some of them or maybe divert them to some other type of bad deed (keyed car or cut tire instead of sugared gas tank). It's a personal decision on how much each person does to prevent crime to their property. What works for one person may not work for another. One other thing you said plays into it as well. Where you live makes a big difference. I don't live around folks who are currently doing the things that you posted (puncturing tanks, stealing cars from homes, etc.), so what I am doing only stops less experience bad folks (kids, etc.).

This is really the key here...everyone has a different level of paranoia, so whatever makes you sleep better at night is the right thing to do. There's no right way or wrong way to go about this issue. :grouphug:

On the other hand, it is good to bring to light the false sense of security locking gas caps and locking gas doors provide so that those of us reading here can make an educated decision as well; because more often then not, the very things we do to protect our property ends up screwing us at the end of the day

 

[Intruder]

I guess what I am saying and what most people should know is that you cannot believe everything that you read on the internet or see on TV. You have to be able to determine what is true and what is not. I gave actual personal facts to back up what was said in the quote, so that is why I chose it as being true and correct. I have personally seen sugar ruin an engine. There is a lot of stuff not true on the internet and a lot of stuff that is. You have to be able to tell the difference.

But how do I know you're giving actual personal facts and not making it up? For all I know you wrote that eHow article as a plant to back up the "facts" you made up. After all, I am reading this on the internet too...

Don't take this personally, I'm just messing around. This whole thread is getting pretty ridiculous at this point so everyone should lighten up. Security is not a single thing, it's a process. There is no security silver bullet whether we're talking about vehicles, houses, or computers. Get a locking gas cap or don't, whatever floats your boat.

 

[TOY2G]

I guess what I am saying and what most people should know is that you cannot believe everything that you read on the internet or see on TV. You have to be able to determine what is true and what is not. I gave actual personal facts to back up what was said in the quote, so that is why I chose it as being true and correct. I have personally seen sugar ruin an engine. There is a lot of stuff not true on the internet and a lot of stuff that is. You have to be able to tell the difference.

ToyG, I know truth when I see it no matter where it comes form, even when it is from ehow. You are correct that a lot of information on ehow and other sites is wrong, but there are some things (not a lot) that are posted that are correct. The article that I quoted from is correct whether you believe it or not. As far as dissolving sugar, ever have a glass of Kool Aid? You can dissolve sugar in warm water and it will go right through your filter (or at least parts of it will). As far as not using a gas cap, that is a personal choice just like locking your car, removing the keys from the ignition, etc. If someone really wanted to steal your car they could tow it, so why have keys to a car? As you can see, it is a pretty silly argument because these precautions, including having a locking gas cap, do not stop all bad deeds. They only stop some of them or maybe divert them to some other type of bad deed (keyed car or cut tire instead of sugared gas tank). It's a personal decision on how much each person does to prevent crime to their property. What works for one person may not work for another. One other thing you said plays into it as well. Where you live makes a big difference. I don't live around folks who are currently doing the things that you posted (puncturing tanks, stealing cars from homes, etc.), so what I am doing only stops less experience bad folks (kids, etc.).

I should have been more clear on my poking. I was just poking fun at quoting eHow.... Not even the sugar part, just the fact that the article said it was used in warfare throws all credit right out the window...

I have never had coolaid, but I'm familiar with grape drink....

Not all is lost, now I know sugar can be dissolved in warm water....

 

[LandCruiser]

Modern cars and trucks with their polycarbonate gas tanks that cycle the fuel pump when the vehicle is off, vent, breathe, and other weird trickery... Replace the cap that came stock, and you will get all sorts of warnings and lights telling you that you're a moron for doing so.

The locking gas cap is a fossil for 30 year old beaters that have metal gas tanks and don't care if your cap is on, off, or you have a rag in its place to keep the rain out.

If you care about the gas tank's integrity, the cheap-ass manufacturer should have given your ride a locking gas DOOR.

 

[BootUnit]

I'll reply to my own question, and thanks for all (well, most of) the responses. I did purchase the Stant, put it on, and it did in fact trip the Check engine and TRAC OFF lights (which took forever to reset once I reinstalled the stock cap). So I will have to look for another solution. It's been educational in that the evaporative systems on this truck are very complex, no doubt tied into the LEV2 certification. The Stant could have been defective (and yes, I did put it on properly) but I'd advise caution before purchasing one. I can't help but think the extreme cold may have had something to do with this, too.

 

[eddiebx]

I'll reply to my own question, and thanks for all (well, most of) the responses. I did purchase the Stant, put it on, and it did in fact trip the Check engine and TRAC OFF lights (which took forever to reset once I reinstalled the stock cap). So I will have to look for another solution. It's been educational in that the evaporative systems on this truck are very complex, no doubt tied into the LEV2 certification. The Stant could have been defective (and yes, I did put it on properly) but I'd advise caution before purchasing one. I can't help but think the extreme cold may have had something to do with this, too.

Did you check to see if the rubber gaskets on the two are swappable, and if so, maybe the OE Toyota one would form a better seal?

 

[BootUnit]

That's an intriguing thought. I looked at the gasket briefly and it looked fine, but I haven't compared it directly to the OEM one. I shall do so.

 

[2013Trail]

"Is is hating on the guy...or just bored with the continual tsk, tsk, if you were only as smart as me, you wouldn't be asking such a stupid question. We're talking about a poster who routinely chides a newbie for something he deems unworthy, and has even made the ridiculous claim there are only a hand full of experts on this forum, and daring to raise some topic or the other will mean they stop answering inquiries."

You got that right, Maz. And he has clones. They just have different nicks.

 

[nglayton]

I'll reply to my own question, and thanks for all (well, most of) the responses. I did purchase the Stant, put it on, and it did in fact trip the Check engine and TRAC OFF lights (which took forever to reset once I reinstalled the stock cap). So I will have to look for another solution. It's been educational in that the evaporative systems on this truck are very complex, no doubt tied into the LEV2 certification. The Stant could have been defective (and yes, I did put it on properly) but I'd advise caution before purchasing one. I can't help but think the extreme cold may have had something to do with this, too.

I had the same issue....Cruise control also will no longer work with this error. Also it was summer, so I don't think temp was an issue. 10504 cap just doesn't work.

 

[Tgrds]

A bit of feedback.

I have used the Napa 703-1641 locking gas cap on my 2010 TE for four years straight. Never one bit of problem. Now I just took that same locking gas cap off when I sold the 2010 TE and put in on my new 2014 TE. Again not one bit of problem with fit or function of this locking gas cap with the new 2014 TE.

 

[dsfra]

More feedback FWIW:

I have been using a Stant 10504 for just over 2 years with no problems.

 

[JotaDe]

Is the issue that the door to the gas cap can be opened from the outside without it being disengaged from inside the car or that the cap itself doesn't have a lock on it where a key needs to be used to unscrew it?

I recall seeing gas cap doors and the caps themselves having key locks on them long ago, but I assumed those features went obsolete once the door to the gas cap needed to be opened from inside the vehicle.

 

[simplemind]

Is the issue that the door to the gas cap can be opened from the outside without it being disengaged from inside the car or that the cap itself doesn't have a lock on it where a key needs to be used to unscrew it?

A change was made on the 2014's...that's why you can buy 'em so cheap! uke:

 

[buenhec]

Using the Motorad MGC-791 Locking Fuel Cap on my 2010 SR5 without any problems.

Amazon.com: Motorad MGC-791 Locking Fuel Cap: Automotive

 

[Tgrds]

There was also a post about a NAPA locking cap (Part No: 703-1641) for the US. That part number was not recognizable for the local NAPA store. However it appears NAPA does sells a locking cap manufactured by Balkamp for $14.49, and their part number is 703-1720.

Another update: I just put the NAPA 703-1720 locking cap on my 2014 TE and it has been working just fine for a number of days. Actually I think this new NAPA number locking cap is still made by Stant as there is a S embossed on it just like the older part number even though it now says Balkamp on the box.

 

[Maz]

Question for all the folks who are using locking caps...what did you do with regard to the original cap being tethered? That is the the plastic piece that connects the OEM cap at the back of the door?

Just cut it off...or is there a cleaner way?

 

[chum8888]

Question for all the folks who are using locking caps...what did you do with regard to the original cap being tethered? That is the the plastic piece that connects the OEM cap at the back of the door?

Just cut it off...or is there a cleaner way?

With the help of a flat head screwdriver, was able to wiggle out the end where the tether is attached to the door. Didn't take much force to do it and I can put it back in if I wanted to. Right now, I'm using my locking cap only when I park in sketchy area. I put my regular cap back on when I drive off.

 

[Maz]

With the help of a flat head screwdriver, was able to wiggle out the end where the tether is attached to the door. Didn't take much force to do it and I can put it back in if I wanted to. Right now, I'm using my locking cap only when I park in sketchy area. I put my regular cap back on when I drive off.

Thanks chum, will give that a try. Like you I plan to only use the gas cap in situations where the car is unattended, and parked in areas that make us feel leery. In fact it's unlikely I'd ever actually drive very far, if anywhere, with it on.

Then we've got several owners who drive with the locking caps, and have suffered no ill affects whatsoever. Why this subject matter would be "controversial" for some people, is hard to figure.