5th Gen Oil Recommendation? New Owner!

[Lexington]

While I agree it's not the best design, you could have saved a bunch of work by simply installing a rivnut. Food for thought for other people.

I thought of this. My concern was that in the future if the rivet nut lost its grip for any reason and just spun when you try to take the bolt out then you’re really screwed. You would end up having to grind the head of the bolt off then drill it out along with the rivet nut. I thought welding a nut on top was a safer option.

 

[MidniteTRD]

I think that the deal is still going on but Shell Rotes for Gas Trucks now has a rebate where you can get $10 off per 5qt bottle. Fleet Farm had it on sale with $10 off so I ended up getting Shell Rotella full synthetic for $2 per quart when you do the math. Pretty hard to beat.

i did the same. picked up 2 big jugs of Rotella Gas Truck at Tractor Supply for $18 after i got my $10 rebate for each. that's crazy cheap by any standard, for a good oil too!

 

[Hammer0313]

nice report but only 4300 miles on Signature Series stuff....you drained it way early! any particular reason for doing so or were you concerned you'd still be seeing a lot of break-in material? you could more than double that run, between the high TBN and stable viscosity that blend is known for.

I dumped it early because I was going out west, totaled around 4800 miles round trip. I know the Amsoil can handle it but I wanted fresh oil just for peace of mind; light off road, over landing in the Utah desert, over the San Juan mountain range in a snowstorm, all while maxed out on GVWR. The rig ran great but did struggle in the higher elevations.
Check out the UOA! Not bad considering the oil got worked hard.

 

[MidniteTRD]

I dumped it early because I was going out west, totaled around 4800 miles round trip. I know the Amsoil can handle it but I wanted fresh oil just for peace of mind

roger that, fair enough. UOA looks great, thanks for sharing! super low iron, if you're under 1ppm per 1000 miles that's impressive. most 4Runner UOA's show 2-3 ppm per 1000. iron is your valvetrain, timing chain...anything steel. given you probably had to drop an extra gear and climb the RPM's up at altitude that's great wear.

your copper and aluminum will keep dropping and level out at around 30-40k miles. that seems to be where most 4Runner UOA's show those values stabilizing and indicating its actually broken in.

i think you found your blend! i'd go ahead and run that 8-10k with confidence from here on out :beer: i might even pick some up for myself sometime...

 

[ElectroBoy]

So you’re getting a UOA for every oil change? I can see maybe getting a baseline for the fun of it. Or monitoring an old engine for wear problems. But you’re adding about $30 to each oil change for a new engine.

 

[Hammer0313]

roger that, fair enough. UOA looks great, thanks for sharing! super low iron, if you're under 1ppm per 1000 miles that's impressive. most 4Runner UOA's show 2-3 ppm per 1000. iron is your valvetrain, timing chain...anything steel. given you probably had to drop an extra gear and climb the RPM's up at altitude that's great wear.

your copper and aluminum will keep dropping and level out at around 30-40k miles. that seems to be where most 4Runner UOA's show those values stabilizing and indicating its actually broken in.

i think you found your blend! i'd go ahead and run that 8-10k with confidence from here on out :beer: i might even pick some up for myself sometime...

Yes sir, I was in 2nd gear and 4Hi all the way through the San Juan mountain range. Loaded down the engine was working hard.

 

[Hammer0313]

So you’re getting a UOA for every oil change? I can see maybe getting a baseline for the fun of it. Or monitoring an old engine for wear problems. But you’re adding about $30 to each oil change for a new engine.

Not every oil change, I wanted to see how the engine liked the 30 weight oils. Ran two 0w30’s back to back and currently running the Amsoil 5w30 and the engine Loves it, UOA’s look good.

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

Not every oil change, I wanted to see how the engine liked the 30 weight oils. Ran two 0w30’s back to back and currently running the Amsoil 5w30 and the engine Loves it, UOA’s look good.

I assume the engine is quieter with the 5W30? What climate are you running the 5W30 in currently? Not sure I would want to run that in the winter months but in the summer I don't see it being a problem.

 

[Hammer0313]

I assume the engine is quieter with the 5W30? What climate are you running the 5W30 in currently? Not sure I would want to run that in the winter months but in the summer I don't see it being a problem.

When I can really hear and feel the difference is under throttle getting onto the interstate or passing. The 5w30 really smoothed out the engine overall. I’m in the Georgia/Florida region.

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

When I can really hear and feel the difference is under throttle getting onto the interstate or passing. The 5w30 really smoothed out the engine overall. I’m in the Georgia/Florida region.

MD until June 11th and then NC for good so we do see cold weather. Not sure I'll try it but I like the idea either way.

 

[1000MPH]

I’m making the switch! Purchased 5W-30 M1 EP for my next oil change.

 

[Hammer0313]

I’m making the switch! Purchased 5W-30 M1 EP for my next oil change.

Your engine is going to Love the 5w30; please let us know how you like it.

 

[Tuco S.]

a follow up on this - just did a full oil change with QSUD 5W-30, then immediately drove 1400 miles up and down the east coast for Christmas vacation.

fully loaded with luggage and 4 passengers, AND a full Thule Sonic XL cargo box on the roof. still running the factory Dunlop AT20 highway tires. cruise set between 72-75 most of the trip. temps bounced between 65 and 35.

19.5 MPG average according to the trip computer. if we didn't have the cargo box on the roof i'm 100% sure we could have matched or bettered the 20 MPG highway rating. i'm not as concerned about city ratings since that can vary so much based on traffic and driving habits whereas highway driving is more steady state.

i know its not a direct comparison to running 20wt in the sump on the same route, but i think its fair to say you can get so close to (or in some cases, as good as) factory highway ratings running a 30 weight, that it hardly matters.

Thanks for the update!

Glad to see the 5W-30 did very well for you. I agree a small change in oil viscosity barely makes any difference with the 4.0L as far as fuel economy is concerned. Aerodynamics, and specifically air density (cold weather) is what will knock it down 2-4 mpg, depending on how cold it gets where you live.

 

[Hammer0313]

Check out the pic of my gauges!!!

Not sure how much fuel loss I’m getting with the 5w30, but I’ll take 21.6 MPG’s cruzing at 75 MPH LOL:hatsoff:
This was today from Georgia to Florida about 500 miles. ENGINE is Butter Smooth.

 

[MidniteTRD]

Thanks for the update!

Glad to see the 5W-30 did very well for you. I agree a small change in oil viscosity barely makes any difference with the 4.0L as far as fuel economy is concerned. Aerodynamics, and specifically air density (cold weather) is what will knock it down 2-4 mpg, depending on how cold it gets where you live.

thanks - and agreed. short tripping, aggressive throttle, bad aero, rolling resistance and cold temps as you said have far more effect. not that i'm sweating it too much with a heavy SUV in the first place.

Check out the pic of my gauges!!!

at 75mph, i'd take that number all day and twice on Sunday

 

[DEF4Runner]

Check out the pic of my gauges!!!

Not sure how much fuel loss I’m getting with the 5w30, but I’ll take 21.6 MPG’s cruzing at 75 MPH LOL:hatsoff:
This was today from Georgia to Florida about 500 miles. ENGINE is Butter Smooth.

What app are you using for those numbers?

 

[JLTD]

Nice! These engines are specified for thicker oils overseas, not surprised it is doing well for you.

 

[Hammer0313]

What app are you using for those numbers?

I snapped a pic for ya. I got it to monitor my engine oil temperature, transmission temperature, coolant temperature, air intake temperature and battery voltage. But it has Hundreds of options for monitoring so it’s very versatile. And it can read/clear trouble codes.

 

[Hammer0313]

Another Amsoil SS UOA, this was 5w30.

 

[SpeedyKevin]

Another Amsoil SS UOA, this was 5w30.

Damn that copper ppm is definitely higher than mine! (6ppm at 25k). Sure is taking its sweet time to clear out!