5th Gen Oil Recommendation? New Owner!

[2016 4Runner SR5]

I just seen that on Antman’s oil thread; how is the figment and quality? If it’s good to go I’m in!

It's OEM it fits perfectly. It was used on the Prius and Camry but not the 4R or Tacoma for some reason. Did the swap on my 2016 4Runner, 2016 Tacoma, will do it on my 2019 Highlander when I hit 2K miles and I bought one for my dad for his 2019 4Runner.

 

[Hammer0313]

It's OEM it fits perfectly. It was used on the Prius and Camry but not the 4R or Tacoma for some reason. Did the swap on my 2016 4Runner, 2016 Tacoma, will do it on my 2019 Highlander when I hit 2K miles and I bought one for my dad for his 2019 4Runner.

Awesome, thanks for confirming. Buying it now

 

[Hammer0313]

I had no issues with fitment and quality of the Amazon metal oil filter cap. I like the Motiv MX2320 tool. I made a set of solid wood ramps out of 6x6 with a 2x6 screwed onto the side. I cut a long incline of at least 16 inches to make it easy to drive up and attached a 4x4 at the opposite end to keep from driving off.

I did not trim the tabs on the skid plate as described in Antman's thread. I bent the outermost 1/4 inch to make it easy to reinstall the plate. If oil changes have been done by someone else, check the skid plate bolts for stretch, galling, cross-threading, etc. Chase threads using a tap and replace bolts if necessary. Use anti seize and do not over torque.

Use inexpensive and genuine Toyota oil filters. The end seals are molded and difficult to indent with a thumbnail, so I wondered how it might conform and seal. I put a clean filter on a surface plate and measured filter height at 4 locations with a caliper. All readings were within 0.0005 inches. I measured a used filter and all readings were within 0.0005 inches. Just for kicks, I went to an auto parts store with a hand calipers and performed the same measurements on 3 name brand filters. I would never use any of them because none of them matched or exceeded 0.0005 inches variation in height. One of them differed as much as 0.012 inches.

That’s the info on the oil filters I was looking for, thank you for that information. I made home made ramps with 6x6 also, solid as a rock, I feel very safe under them. Glad the OEM Aluminium oil filter housing is working for everyone, I’m looking forward to it.

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

I have used mobil1 engine oil since 2000. have had no engine issues. replace oil 5K-10K mile range. oil looks great when changing not dark and no sludge.removal of the toyota filter cart looks clean no metal particles .

your toyota oil test indicates a load of moly and mag .. mobil 1 only has less then 100PPM ..

Toyota oil probably will cause the engine to be quieter because of the mag and moly additives .

You're absolutely right. Mobil 1 may be great for some engines but there is a reason Toyota uses so much moly and mag in their oil and there is a reason the 4.0 runs so much quieter when using that oil. It's about the same price as the M1 and a little less convenient since I have to get it from the dealer but it's what both my vehicles will run on for as long as I own them. Or maybe until someone else makes an oil with as much moly and mag? Very possible it's out there, never know.

 

[rb92673]

Hmm, the 4Runner has one of the highest ratings for reliability and the engines last for 100s of thousands of miles on a regular basis. I don't think it matters what oil you use as long as you change it per the service interval of 10,000 miles or less and match:

Oil grade: ILSAC GF-5 multigrade engine oil
Recommended viscosity: SAE 0W-20

If it makes you feel good to spend more on oil and change it more often, do it. Report back in 200,000 miles and let us know how it worked out. If I keep mine that long I will as well and we can compare notes.

 

[Big Daddy K]

I don't know, I've used Toyota...well I assume that is what the dealer was using under Toyota Care. Then when I took over service I changed the filter cap, out of necessity as it seemed the dealer put it on with an impact gun, and used Mobil1 for 2 changes (5K each) The latest change I used Amsoil. Honestly I really don't notice any difference at this point. We'll see what it looks like in about 3K.
The tricky one seems to be transfer case fluid. The Toyota stuff can be elusive from what I have read and it's $$$.

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

I don't know, I've used Toyota...well I assume that is what the dealer was using under Toyota Care. Then when I took over service I changed the filter cap, out of necessity as it seemed the dealer put it on with an impact gun, and used Mobil1 for 2 changes (5K each) The latest change I used Amsoil. Honestly I really don't notice any difference at this point. We'll see what it looks like in about 3K.
The tricky one seems to be transfer case fluid. The Toyota stuff can be elusive from what I have read and it's $$$.

Not sure what they use with toyotacare, I have never used that service for reasons just like you posted. Not worth the free oil changes to me, I'll do it myself and know it was done right. The 75LF transfer case fluid isn't cheap but it's cheaper than taking a chance with other fluids and possibly causing damage to your transfer case. Plus I plan on changing it every 50K along with transmission fluid which for me is every 7 years.

 

[catrains]

You're absolutely right. Mobil 1 may be great for some engines but there is a reason Toyota uses so much moly and mag in their oil and there is a reason the 4.0 runs so much quieter when using that oil. It's about the same price as the M1 and a little less convenient since I have to get it from the dealer but it's what both my vehicles will run on for as long as I own them. Or maybe until someone else makes an oil with as much moly and mag? Very possible it's out there, never know.

the runner engine noise is louder than my other vehicles.. I will use the toyota engine oil , see if the engine quiets down..

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

the runner engine noise is louder than my other vehicles.. I will use the toyota engine oil , see if the engine quiets down..

My experience was always quietest with Toyota oil.

 

[Big Daddy K]

Not sure what they use with toyotacare, I have never used that service for reasons just like you posted. Not worth the free oil changes to me, I'll do it myself and know it was done right. The 75LF transfer case fluid isn't cheap but it's cheaper than taking a chance with other fluids and possibly causing damage to your transfer case. Plus I plan on changing it every 50K along with transmission fluid which for me is every 7 years.

Yeah, I was unimpressed with the service I received, I'll leave it at that.

At 40K I did the diffs since I had been through a few deep water crossings and have not moved the breathers. No evidence of water in the fluids and they looked pretty good. 50K will come probably in the spring and I plan to do transfer case then. I will use Toyota fluid or I've read Royal Purple Synchro Max is a suitable alternative.

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

Yeah, I was unimpressed with the service I received, I'll leave it at that.

At 40K I did the diffs since I had been through a few deep water crossings and have not moved the breathers. No evidence of water in the fluids and they looked pretty good. 50K will come probably in the spring and I plan to do transfer case then. I will use Toyota fluid or I've read Royal Purple Synchro Max is a suitable alternative.

I actually did my diffs at 11K (plan was10k but didn't have time) and I was glad I did. The rear was pretty dark and had a lot of metal on the magnet and glitter in the drain pan. Nothing of concern, all very fine dust, but I was still glad to get all that out of there. The front was still super clean but really can't know until it's drained. I have read of a lot of things being used in the transfer case including gear oil but that's just not for me. Some people say it works, some people say they have a hard time getting into 4lo My view is, just use what's called for and have that peace of mind.

 

[JLTD]

Enjoying this discussion. Questions: for those using the Toyota oil, what is your cost at the dealership? It's a really good oil. I see that the oil filter is around $5, which is a good price.

To throw a monkey wrench into the discussion, I've started using the overseas manual to select my oil grade. [insert CAFE discussion here as to why only 0w-20 is recommended in the US; I don't want to clutter the thread]

For my model year, Toyota's 4Runner motor oil charts in Australia look like this:

The upshot of this is that I'm currently using 5w-30 for the winter, and may move to a 0w-40 or even a 10w-40 next summer. Don't know about using 15w-40, that's a bit thick for me but in high summer....

The engine doesn't have different parts if it's in the US, Australia, Asia or Europe. It's the same engine, same oiling system, same bearings, etc.

I got a great UOA using 5w-20 while towing last summer, but I'm testing the 5w-30 to see if it does better on the UOA. Including the 5w-20 UOA below for reference.

Currently using Amsoil, but likely changing to Schaeffer's once my stockpile is used up.

Flame suit on.

 

[Hammer0313]

Enjoying this discussion. Questions: for those using the Toyota oil, what is your cost at the dealership? It's a really good oil. I see that the oil filter is around $5, which is a good price.

To throw a monkey wrench into the discussion, I've started using the overseas manual to select my oil grade. [insert CAFE discussion here as to why only 0w-20 is recommended in the US; I don't want to clutter the thread]

For my model year, Toyota's 4Runner motor oil charts in Australia look like this:

The upshot of this is that I'm currently using 5w-30 for the winter, and may move to a 0w-40 or even a 10w-40 next summer. Don't know about using 15w-40, that's a bit thick for me but in high summer....

The engine doesn't have different parts if it's in the US, Australia, Asia or Europe. It's the same engine, same oiling system, same bearings, etc.

I got a great UOA using 5w-20 while towing last summer, but I'm testing the 5w-30 to see if it does better on the UOA. Including the 5w-20 UOA below for reference.

Currently using Amsoil, but likely changing to Schaeffer's once my stockpile is used up.

Flame suit on.

Fantastic UOA; if that was my report I would not change a thing. That Amsoil is serving you Very well; I’ve been using Amsoil since 2013 when I was canyon racing in the mountains. Racing up the side of a mountain every weekend for hours then daily driving to work for 5k miles and my blackstone UOA’s were perfect. I really like the Gear oil as well! There are only a few group 4 and 5 base oils on the market and Amsoil is one of them. They have a very good product, especially if you prefer long drain intervals.
I think a 40 weight oil is to heavy imo but I’m seriously considering 0w30. You make a Very good point, in other countries most vehicles are using a thicker oil per the manual. This rise in 20 weight oil is CAFE requirements, plain and simple imo. But the flip side to this light oil generation is the attention to formulation and additives; a good example is your UOA.
If you bump up in weight please let us know how is goes and what oil and weight you choose.

 

[CavPro]

bob is the oil guy

blackstone

royal purple

and a poll

officially just like every single other oil thread.

 

[Hammer0313]

I actually did my diffs at 11K (plan was10k but didn't have time) and I was glad I did. The rear was pretty dark and had a lot of metal on the magnet and glitter in the drain pan. Nothing of concern, all very fine dust, but I was still glad to get all that out of there. The front was still super clean but really can't know until it's drained. I have read of a lot of things being used in the transfer case including gear oil but that's just not for me. Some people say it works, some people say they have a hard time getting into 4lo My view is, just use what's called for and have that peace of mind.

You and I are on the same page with our fluid intervals, I’ll be dumping my Factory gear oil at 10k, transmission and transfer case at 40-50k, Factory engine oil at 2-3k and every 5k after that. It’s a system I’ve been using many years and has served me well. My HD trucks I always did 30k for diffs, transmission and tcase.
People think I’m crazy to change me diffs at 30k but look at this> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-yG3D3JBRs&feature=youtu.be
Now imagine all the highways speed driving, towing, off-roading and everything in between. Gear oil gets beat and needs sensible service intervals.

 

[Big Daddy K]

I'm pretty sure the manual has something about running different weight oils based conditions to an extent. I'll have to go back and look again. Living in AZ I considered going to 10w30 since most of the time I'm more worried about heat than cold starts.

 

[Narat_524]

Amsoil Signature 0W-20

 

[Whippersnapper02]

Toyota doesn't make oil.

Any off the shelf oil of the correct viscosity will work just fine.

 

[_westtexasrunner_]

Oil too expensive!

Honestly, dont even use oil. Oil is expensive, so i would probably just put some wiper fluid in there

 

[Hammer0313]

I just seen the TRD oil filter part # Genuine Toyota Parts PTR43-00081 TRD Oil Filter. Toyota site says it won’t fit, anyone have information on this oil filter? Is it compatible with our rigs?