nevada
Senior Member
sorry, but no. that is ignorance talking.
those of use who "bash" Chrysler, do so because we have first hand experience with the pieces of junk.
5th gen runner vs new grand cherokee
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sorry, but no. that is ignorance talking.
those of use who "bash" Chrysler, do so because we have first hand experience with the pieces of junk.
1engineer
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What are you? 12?
JayceeP
New member
Lol, who are you even talking to?
Toyota has produced MILLIONS more vehicles than Chrysler so on an aggregate basis it is possible Toyota has recalled more vehicles than other manufacturers... But what's more important is recalled vehicles per x vehicles produced. You also have to question what standards and requirements are in place to initiate a recall. Anyway....
Titanpat57
Senior Member
I think that happens mainly for the mental retardation you bring to the table...
time and time again...
day in and day out...
If you can manage to pull your head out of your ass long enough to look at something subjectively...do yourself a favor and look at Intruder's threads and see if maybe, just maybe, you might just realize he may have a clue about wheeling.
I was looking for pictures and/or evidence of your wheeling experiences and guess what?!
There aren't any.....
idiot...:der:
1engineer
Moderator
Like X1000 times Pat.
Sundog7121
Member
:whoo: :jaw: :argue: :nicethread:
2013Trail
New member
Who are you? God?
2013Trail
New member
You have a PM, titanpat57.
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2013Trail
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Friggin' Pat!ound:
Yeah, he is funny. But looks aren't everything.
1engineer
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Nope. Just a grownup trying to help. Have a good evening.
2013Trail
New member
Well, that's your opinion.
jrandom
New member
Just thought I would add three out of four of those models all have something in common, they are/were all US made, just sayin' :shrug:
BlackWorksInc
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Something I'd like to point out is that Toyota tends to, on most cases err on the side of caution with their larger recalls/campaigns. Just because they recall 850,000 vehicles doesn't mean they do in fact all have a chance of blowing. We've done many airbag recalls so far at the dealership and not one has actually spontaneously exploded, that being said Toyota is not the only one with this issue... and there's a recall in the works for SRS modules because of spiders... yes spiders... which Mazda also had a problem with before...
Also, what recall for "exploding/catching fire" Prius batteries are you talking about? Didn't the Chevy Volt have battery fire issues? and the AirBus Dreamliner? or what about the Tesla? Its not an issue with Toyota as much as its an issue with current Large Lithium Battery technology being pushed in Hybrid Technology.
Also, what recall for "exploding/catching fire" Prius batteries are you talking about? Didn't the Chevy Volt have battery fire issues? and the AirBus Dreamliner? or what about the Tesla? Its not an issue with Toyota as much as its an issue with current Large Lithium Battery technology being pushed in Hybrid Technology.
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2013Trail
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Hey Blackworks, if your responding to my comment the Prius battery I didn't say it exploded or caught fire. I said there was a "potential battery fire" issue.
Regardless, it looks like I made a mistake. I thought I had saved a link to an article regarding Prius battery issues but I can't find it nor can I find it doing a search online. So apparently I have confused the Prius with another vehicle--possibly the Chevy Volt, but maybe the Mitusbishi's hybrids that were recalled for the potential battery fire issue. Anyways, I'm still looking.
However, Prius has seen extensive recalls for water pump replacements, electric window issues which could cause fires, steering component issues which could be dangerous, and recalls related to its brake system. Here's one article:
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/toyota-recalling-670000-prius-hybrids-in-u-s/?_r=0
The point I was trying to make with my comment about the Prius batteries is that Toyota has also had a significant amount of recalls--in many of its models. So I think it's fair to compare overall Toyota quality/recall history to overall Chrysler quality/recall history--regardless of how many vehicles each manufacturer produces--if people are going to use recall and reliability issues against Chrysler.
I'll keep looking for that article though.
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2013Trail
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lol!
BlackWorksInc
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The window switch recall is an exaggeration; it has to do with switches that can short out, the potential of an actual fire is almost non-existent and is mostly hype as we've dealt with a handful of burned switches already and its localized to the master switch and barely burns through the actual casing. I am not happy with Toyota's self-proclaimed "self-sealing" water pumps, the recent brake booster recall is something to do with the supplier of the physical accumulator containers that are attached to the braking system and as a result some entire master cylinder units have to be replaced.
Toyota's quality in my honest opinion has taken a dip in the last half decade or so as they try to compete with other brands including Kia/Hyundai's resurgence as a powerful brand. Toyota's warranty control is also taking a dip in my honest opinion and I believe is going to be a stain on the brand if it continues. Toyota is trying to compete in a fashion that I believe is already starting to affect their quality and reputation, but they still have a better over all level of quality and customer care than most brands (though Ford & GM have made great strides in their products post-bankruptcy)
But, they're no where near as bad as Chrysler was and is to a degree (my judgement for the new Fiat owned Chrysler is reserved because it will take at least 5-10 years to get an accurate sample size, not to mention many of the "new" cars still borrow from the old parts bins which is just asking for trouble). The biggest thing is Chryslers have been known to consistently fail (probably one of the most common computer failure rates in a brand next to BMW or so), Chrysler has also been known to have exploding intake manifolds that have injured technicians, they're business practices have consistently been horrible; they blame factory defects on customers and/or refuse to acknowledge issues (more so than most manufacturers including Toyota who I am personally not happy with on some of their crap; 4th Gen V6 VCG anyone? or how about how long and tricky they were with the 4th gen Driveshaft TSB?), they regularly build horrible products, and poor quality control. There's a reason Mercedes Benz was trying to dump Chrysler in '07, Chrysler went bankrupt during the Big Three's Bankruptcy, and still had to be bought out by the government and then Fiat.
The point that everyone is trying to point out with the "bashing" is that Chrysler has earned and deserves their reputation, they have epitomized what not to do in an automotive business; the fact that even Mercedes Benz was tired of their partnership in '07 and no one, not even VW/Audi who was buying everyone left and right about that time would touch Chrysler is a testament to their reputation in the automotive world; then two bankruptcies later and now they're owned by a non-US corporation.
Toyota is not a god, they're not the super awesome bestest car in the world, but they have consistently brought a level of quality and customer satisfaction on a large scale, even in the fact of natural disaster and public slander that not many manufacturers can truly admit.
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