Koz
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I have no idea where you are getting your info. The Limited 5th gen is full-time 4WD (same as 4th gen). No T4R has all-wheel drive.
Koz
5th Gen vs. 4th Gen ( Full Time 4wd etc.)
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I have no idea where you are getting your info. The Limited 5th gen is full-time 4WD (same as 4th gen). No T4R has all-wheel drive.
Koz
Koz
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The only reason you would need a V8 is if you carry allot of weight or you tow. For normal driving the V6 and V8 (4.7) are VERY close in performance. The tow ratings speak for themselves (V6 = 5K lbs, V8 7K lbs.). Trust me, there is a noticeable difference when towing close to those limits. Of course the 5.7 V8 is going to tow better with its 10k lbs. tow rating but you don't need a 10k lbs rating if you are only towing 5K lbs. There is also a BIG difference in gas mileage.
Koz
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Ghost Runner
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I rushed my post and you may have misread it. We are only debating semantics here - choice of words. AWD is generally marketed on vehicles without a low range, where as full time 4wd GENERALLY is used to describe such a vehicle with a low range and a lockable centre diff. A perfect example of an exception to this is Honda who has "4wd" pilots, etc.
You might think your full time 4wd is more bad ass then some AWD import/domestic but really your just buying into the marketing these different brands use. There is no technical-legal definitional difference between full time 4wd and AWD.
All full time or AWD vehicles employs a torsen centre diff, or a planetary gear set to allow for wheel slip between front and rear.
I'm trying to say that if you pull 5000 lbs don't buy a V8 4runner buy a tundra. The difference between the 5th gen V6 and the 4.7 L is not enough to satisify the ego of many so go for the big guns if you want to show up that family!!!
What info are you unsure about?
You might think your full time 4wd is more bad ass then some AWD import/domestic but really your just buying into the marketing these different brands use. There is no technical-legal definitional difference between full time 4wd and AWD.
All full time or AWD vehicles employs a torsen centre diff, or a planetary gear set to allow for wheel slip between front and rear.
I'm trying to say that if you pull 5000 lbs don't buy a V8 4runner buy a tundra. The difference between the 5th gen V6 and the 4.7 L is not enough to satisify the ego of many so go for the big guns if you want to show up that family!!!
What info are you unsure about?
Ghost Runner
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Hey sorry Koz, I thought you were questioning what I stated about AWD/4wd. Man fasting is hard on a guys brain...havn't eaten since 430am! I just left the post in case anyone needs a review of the terms.
Koz
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Thai
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Without talking about towing, i doubt that a V8 gets BETTER mileage than a V6 with similar transmission.
I go with EPA when doing these comparisons because EPA offers a scientific way to compare powertrains...without adding bias, wind conditions, road conditions, etc..
I am sure that a 5th gen, under perfect conditions, can achieve (or surpass) your mileage with ease...since it already gets 21 mpg on the highway.
Ghost Runner
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Yes you are right, difference in power for sure at least perceived power. The driver would have to be a lot more active - meaning downshifting preemtively. Less shifting with the V8 while towing FOR SURE. But its the same wheel base, suspension, brakes. Ultimately safety doesn't change a whole lot IMO. I suppose you could argue hauling faster up a pass is safer.
You would be downshifting to second with the V6 on a grade more than 10% with >5000lbs but could you get almost as much power out if your not a wussy about high RPM? I want to try sometime!
Like I said, next time I'm home I am soooo going to put the two runners head to head and I will be as objective as I can. I have yet to read about someone actually putting the two head to head, with same tire size, same trailer, same pass.
It is just my opinion that if you tow 5000lbs and your worried about power, then go bigger then a V8 runner (go with a bigger wheel base too)...just my 2 cents.
You would be downshifting to second with the V6 on a grade more than 10% with >5000lbs but could you get almost as much power out if your not a wussy about high RPM? I want to try sometime!
Like I said, next time I'm home I am soooo going to put the two runners head to head and I will be as objective as I can. I have yet to read about someone actually putting the two head to head, with same tire size, same trailer, same pass.
It is just my opinion that if you tow 5000lbs and your worried about power, then go bigger then a V8 runner (go with a bigger wheel base too)...just my 2 cents.
Koz
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SeattleMike
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Seems like the simplest way to start a fight on T4R.org is to go onto a 5th gen forum and imply that the 5th is underpowered and lacks something in the 4WD area. OP has ONE post and yet managed to pull out all the trolls from the 4th Gen section who love to hate on the 5th gen, and all the 5th Gen defenders.
Add in the usual war over semantics and you have the exact same argument that was presented in at least 25 other threads since the 5th Gen was announced. Seriously, is this really necessary to rehash yet again? Can we get a moratorium on these kinds of threads for a while.... say until the 6th Gen debuts.
Add in the usual war over semantics and you have the exact same argument that was presented in at least 25 other threads since the 5th Gen was announced. Seriously, is this really necessary to rehash yet again? Can we get a moratorium on these kinds of threads for a while.... say until the 6th Gen debuts.
Ghost Runner
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Just for the record I really like both generations!
We are very lucky to even have a vehicle let alone a beauty like a 4runner. What a sad world when rich people like us (relative to starving people) sit around debating crapola.
It is pretty amazing how negative people can be on the net. A perfect example is the ARB bumper, which I JUST SIMPLY LOVE on my new 5th gen despite the intense critisisms, borderline childish critisims. If I had 10 dollars for every comment i've had on the ARB I'd have the rig paid off...good thing I didn't listen to the status qou..hahah.
We are very lucky to even have a vehicle let alone a beauty like a 4runner. What a sad world when rich people like us (relative to starving people) sit around debating crapola.
It is pretty amazing how negative people can be on the net. A perfect example is the ARB bumper, which I JUST SIMPLY LOVE on my new 5th gen despite the intense critisisms, borderline childish critisims. If I had 10 dollars for every comment i've had on the ARB I'd have the rig paid off...good thing I didn't listen to the status qou..hahah.
Blue footed or red footed?
Screecha
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I am not racist so I don't care about color. As long as they are natural I will give them one of these :bigok:
oblivionis
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So the 5Gen 4WD system can be placed in 4 low? And it drives all 4 wheels all the time and not just 2 until it senses that those are loosing traction?
Again, I'm here to learn about the 5Gen. I'm not knocking it down, I'm just not finding too much info about it out there. For example I heard that it is offered with a 4 cylinder but when I go to the Toyota website to build one I don't see an option for it. (BTW, I would never buy a 4 cylinder 4Runner but this is just an example of the mixed 5Gen info I'm finding.)
Uneek
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Yup. The 5th gen SR5 and Trail Edition has a part time 4WD system, meaning you shouldn't be on dry pavement/high traction surface and making turns at the same time as slippage for the wheels can't be achieve during turns causing driveline binding.
The 5th gen Limited has a full time 4WD system and the center differential can be locked. When the center diff is locked in 4H and 4L (there isn't an option to be in 4L unlocked), the Limited is no different than the SR5 or TE in 4WD.
arty: When the 5th gen was released in 2010, it could be optioned with a 4 cylinder motor. The body cladding for the 4 cylinder models were more in line with that of the TE than the SR5/Limited. However, the 4 cyl was dropped for the 2011 model year, which is why it does not appear on the Toyota web site. IIRC, there may be some pictures of a 4 cyl model early on in the owner's picture thread.
oblivionis
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I was referring to the 5Gen Limited full time 4WD. Can that be put in 4 low?
Whoever had the idea to put a 4 cyl engine in the new 4Runner should be given a job at Chrysler.
