6th Gen Must be Coming Out of Japan

[RichinRidgewood]

Here is what I think

We have heard NOTHING about it. Media, Construction, Engineering, Assemblers, Suppliers haven’t said a thing and thats rare. The vehicle would have to go through crash, emissions etc. and there would be leaks if it was happening in the US

I read that the Japanese Market is getting the “Hilux Surf” again aka (4Runner). It’s right hand drive. There are different frames for RHD and LHD vehicles and if you are planning to do both a single frame would be the best way to go. We dont need a RHD in the US.

Japanese dont like vehicles manufactured in the US. Ford has tried, and other US manufactures too, for decades to sell US models in Japan and have not been successful. Ford pulled out of Japan a few years ago after “being” there for a long time.

 

[SAND619]

Here is what I think

We have heard NOTHING about it. Media, Construction, Engineering, Assemblers, Suppliers haven’t said a thing and thats rare. The vehicle would have to go through crash, emissions etc. and there would be leaks if it was happening in the US

I read that the Japanese Market is getting the “Hilux Surf” again aka (4Runner). It’s right hand drive. There are different frames for RHD and LHD vehicles and if you are planning to do both a single frame would be the best way to go. We dont need a RHD in the US.

Japanese dont like vehicles manufactured in the US. Ford has tried, and other US manufactures too, for decades to sell US models in Japan and have not been successful. Ford pulled out of Japan a few years ago after “being” there for a long time.

I agree. If it were to be built in the U.S., I'm pretty sure we would've seen prototypes being driven near Toyota's HQ in Texas by now (like the Tundra). This is a good sign in my opinion. Looks like they will stick with building the Land Cruiser, Prado, GX, and 4Runner at the same Tahara plant in Japan. This means it will remain BOF and likely share engines with the Prado/GX.

 

[thennen]

Yeah, all 4Runners have been made in Japan forever. I don't see them changing that. Maybe 3 or 4 years ago, Consumer Reports called the 4Runner the most reliable vehicle you could buy, period. I can't imagine Toyota would jeopardize that reputation - the Japanese as a society value quality and a job well done very highly. So you don't have to teach your employees that mindset. I'm on my third 4Runner, and my experience agrees with Consumer Reports.

Maybe they want to avoid the media crush that the Bronco has received. While that can be a good thing, it's gone on a very long time in the case of the Bronco, and people's expectations may have risen to larger-than-life levels that the Bronco ultimately doesn't live up to. Additionally, if the 4Runner ends up being a direct competitor, look at all the time Toyota has had to dissect and analyze the Bronco so far, including buyer acceptance of whatever features it offers.

My 2 cents.

 

[Swipter]

I would not buy a US built 4runner, as bad as that sounds.

 

[nimby]

Here is what I think

We have heard NOTHING about it. Media, Construction, Engineering, Assemblers, Suppliers haven’t said a thing and thats rare. The vehicle would have to go through crash, emissions etc. and there would be leaks if it was happening in the US

I read that the Japanese Market is getting the “Hilux Surf” again aka (4Runner). It’s right hand drive. There are different frames for RHD and LHD vehicles and if you are planning to do both a single frame would be the best way to go. We dont need a RHD in the US.

Japanese dont like vehicles manufactured in the US. Ford has tried, and other US manufactures too, for decades to sell US models in Japan and have not been successful. Ford pulled out of Japan a few years ago after “being” there for a long time.

I typically don't keep track of these sorts of timelines, but you think spy shots would come out 1.5 years before the new gen was to be released? That seems early to me.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

I typically don't keep track of these sorts of timelines, but you think spy shots would come out 1.5 years before the new gen was to be released? That seems early to me.

IMHO If it’s 2022 model year there should have been some thing by now, less but at least some information if it was a 2023.

As an example, I was considering purchasing a non-automotive product, when I was speaking to the manufacture about the current model they showed me a picture of the prototype for the new model. I knew about it before the distributors did. ... a leak

 

[nimby]

IMHO If it’s 2022 model year there should have been some thing by now, less but at least some information if it was a 2023.

As an example, I was considering purchasing a non-automotive product, when I was speaking to the manufacture about the current model they showed me a picture of the prototype for the new model. I knew about it before the distributors did. ... a leak

All reliable info points to a 2023 model year for the 6th gen, not 2022. That's why there aren't any spy shots......they probably aren't even road testing the thing yet.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

All reliable info points to a 2023 model year for the 6th gen, not 2022. That's why there aren't any spy shots......they probably aren't even road testing the thing yet.

Ok if thats what you think.

 

[HiluxSurf SSR-G]

the 4Runner/Hilux Surf and Prado are also built in the Hino Plant in Hamura, Japan. Also, the differences in the ladder frames between LHD and RHD is minimal. It's in the body that has the bigger difference

I agree. If it were to be built in the U.S., I'm pretty sure we would've seen prototypes being driven near Toyota's HQ in Texas by now (like the Tundra). This is a good sign in my opinion. Looks like they will stick with building the Land Cruiser, Prado, GX, and 4Runner at the same Tahara plant in Japan. This means it will remain BOF and likely share engines with the Prado/GX.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

... the differences in the ladder frames between LHD and RHD is minimal.....

After having experience with adding the RHD option to a LHD vehicle on a couple projects while working at Ford Motor Company I can say that is not true.
It effects, steering, parking brake, brake, interior, HVAC just to name a few systems.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

After having experience with adding the RHD option to a LHD vehicle on a couple projects while working at Ford Motor Company I can say that is not true.
It effects, steering, parking brake, brake, interior, HVAC just to name a few systems.

Windshield, wipers, headlights, transmission shifter, airbags, ...

 

[nimby]

Ok if thats what you think.

I'll admit, it is all a guessing game.

But there is this to support my claim.

This is the most credible leak in my book.

 

[nimby]

Great pic, I noticed each other model has a time of year in accordance to the year (Fall, Fall, Summer, Q3, etc...). but the Sequoia and 4Runner don't, it only says 2022. Could they maybe be looking at Q4 since they didn't specify a time frame?

To me, it makes the most sense to look at what Toyota historically does.

Typically they release new 4Runners in Q3. So my best guess is that we're looking at Sept 2022 for the release of the 6th gen as a 2023 Model Year.

 

[HiluxSurf SSR-G]

except for the brakes, those parts that you mentioned are in the body, not the ladder frame.
That's why i said in my post that the bigger difference is in the body.

After having experience with adding the RHD option to a LHD vehicle on a couple projects while working at Ford Motor Company I can say that is not true.
It effects, steering, parking brake, brake, interior, HVAC just to name a few systems.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

except for the brakes, those parts that you mentioned are in the body, not the ladder frame.
That's why i said in my post that the bigger difference is in the body.

To what do you think many of those parts connect?

It’s not a trivial project and useless you plan on building a lot of them it isnt normally done.

 

[nimby]

I would buy a us built 4runner without hesitation. They already build pickups here in the u.s. Actually I believe here in Texas.

I have not heard anything to indicate that the quality of u.s. built toyotas is poor.

True.

I like the fact that the 4Runner is built in Japan but would not hesitate if it was made in the US or (gasp) Mexico.

 

[TRD PANTHER]

Here is an interesting take about the 6th gen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0JzlmDePnPE&t=618s

 

[PCRIDE4RUNNERORG]

I think Toyota is going to be really careful on a new design of the 4runner. I think we are at the point where the same ol 4runner with slightly more technology features are ending. I mean, throw a rack on the top, add a sensor, throw a cooler in the back with grey rims and call it something else days
Are OVER

hopefully they don’t make the same Mistake Ford did with the new F150 back in the day with the curved rounded hood. Hell I don’t think I’ve seen once of those for at least 10 years. It’s like Atari with the ET game. It just simply vanished. No questions

 

[Bry n]

I think we are at the point where the same ol 4runner with slightly more technology features are ending. I mean, throw a rack on the top, add a sensor, throw a cooler in the back with grey rims and call it something else days
Are OVER

Speak for yourself! I love my dinosaur, and since there's no way they're gonna do a turbodiesel engine... KISS! a hamburger bet says they're gonna do way too much on the 6th gen that reliability will become an issue in the long run and it'll increase the value of previous generations :thumb: If you want the tech and 20spd transmissions with ecoboost and shit there's other options out there.

That being said I'm sure toyota will keep the 4runners current legacy in mind *crosses fingers*

 

[SteadFAST 4Runner]

You are all in for a BIG SURPRISE.

First... Toyota knows the 4Runner is a HOT HOT selling vehicle.

Second... they know RETRO is a hit... like the FJs they stopped selling in 2014

Third... They would like to be dominant over Jeep and the new Bronco.

The next 4Runner WILL have a removable top like the 1st Gen.