RichinRidgewood
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So that means no roll down rear window.
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6th Gen Must be Coming Out of Japan
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So that means no roll down rear window.
T4R2014
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Yup the salesman at my local dealer has connects to the factory foreman in Japan because his great great grandmother was Japanese so his cousin works at Tahara. He said the 6th gen starts production in August and will have a removable top(since everyone and their first cousin that they married remembers the 1st gen 4Runner), updated hybrid turbo 22RE making 400 HP, high pinion full float axles and e-lockers with the full time Tcase from the LC300. There will be no more 4 door 4Runners because that hurts the retro image.
nimby
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This has to be the first time we've had a 6th gen 'leak' connected to a great great grandmother.
:lmao:
ElectroBoy
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Maybe there won’t even be a 6th Gen.
The current models sell well as is, with just a few tweaks here and there every year.
The current models sell well as is, with just a few tweaks here and there every year.
400hp T4R would be great!
TacoRunn0517
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I'll admit, it is all a guessing game.
But there is this to support my claim.
This is the most credible leak in my book.
With the new Gen Tundra being announced over the last 24 hours, this leaked photo continues to age well.
I'll admit, it is all a guessing game.
But there is this to support my claim.
This is the most credible leak in my book.
Please PM me immediately, there are some changes.
RichinRidgewood
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Any reason they cant be posted here?
CookieRoe
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Supposedly the next gen GX was leaked online and that is believed to be the underpinnings of the next 4Runner. But, Toyota won't say anything until latter half of next year.
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LEAKED - The Land Cruiser GR-S is coming to AMERICA as the 2022 Lexus LX 600 F-Sport ??? - YouTube
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LEAKED - The Land Cruiser GR-S is coming to AMERICA as the 2022 Lexus LX 600 F-Sport ??? - YouTube
RichinRidgewood
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4Runner is done ?
Becomes less expensive Land Cruiser ?
Prado platform is US Land Cruiser and Lexus GS?
Makes sense but doesn’t answer the question if the US 4Runner/GX/Prado will be made in Japan?
Becomes less expensive Land Cruiser ?
Prado platform is US Land Cruiser and Lexus GS?
Makes sense but doesn’t answer the question if the US 4Runner/GX/Prado will be made in Japan?
CookieRoe
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Probably, but I've heard the 4 Hybrid will be more like 240-250 hp.
CO-Cygnus
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Cool, cool, cool... that 35 HP downgrade is going to be sick.
Significant delays ahead, no changes for 5th gen either. Mods need to correct once and for all the sub-forum, as the launch is far out enough, that it doesn't make sense to be labeled 5-6 years before release.
The primary source of this information should share this info with you himself and take the full credit, than me doing so. He owns a 4Runner too, up in GToronto Area. :canada:
If inside info comes from a potential forum member, I naturally leave it to them to explain and only PM it privately to users, as I find it distasteful for me to use someone's information who I don't know well enough.
Other than some Prado rendering, I see nothing that refers to the next GX.
Neither. It concerns timing, assembly, and new powertrains.
Google T24A-FTS and V35A-FTS. A hybridized version of one of these is the range topper indeed...
This is partly what my commentary pertains to, in terms of the expressed concerns of a lot of current owners of multiple generations.
Not quite, but some of that is correct. It won't be underpowered nor related to Highlander. I want to leave it to the messenger, than say it all without their permission.
Yes, but there's more. A huge factor in the timing of launch now.:doh:
Toyota has kicked the can down the road for way too long and as I said once before, didn't know what to do with themselves, when they attempted to cancel the 4Runner several years again and were forced abandoned it due to a massive uptick in sales with the 2014 MY.
The 2010-13 was poorly received for a multitude of reasons, perhaps less aggressive styling, poor economy, or V8 N210 owners, snubbing it and it rubbing off on other owners (1GR V6 buyers). They went off of that and tried to discontinue it by MY 2017, until reversing course by 2015-2016 and keeping it in production. MY 2017 production started very, very late in the year IIRC.
They are now playing catch up and that is disappointing, as I keep seeing this play out with many Toyota programs. They don't invest in the product's replacement early enough and sit on sales/profits.
Then barely start work at 4-5 years to launch, where it ends becoming 5-7 years in development instead. Case in point, the newest TNGA-F products this year and the 2021 Sienna.
IIRC LC 300 began development 8 years ago and were already doing consumer design clinics in the spring of 2014 in Australian suburbs, testing design proposals for what is now the 2022 Land Cruiser. It got delayed pretty dismally, when Akio Toyoda cancelled the final design and ordered another redo around 2017-18.
Tundra under 780B had powertrain or drivetrain issues, that pushed it back by over 1 year into December 2021, spring 2022 for the hybrid allegedly.
If they committed to these newer products, by or after the first mid-cycle updates respectively, these products would ample time to accommodate delays and not leave the incumbent offerings withering on the vine.
I mean in the context:
What ended up happening here is, sometime around 2011-2012, Toyota decided to against keeping the 4Runner and made no plans to redesign it, after the 2014 MY updates and let it ride out its cycle. The same plans for Sequoia and GX 460 were on deck, as the latter's demise for Lexus TX was planned. TX was ditched in favor of RX-L and thanks to sales jump, GX retained.
Dealers begged to keep Sequoia in 2014/15, that Toyota designed updates for 2018, which were finalized by early 2016 and launched autumn of 2017. 4Runner saw no more major changes beyond colors until MY 2020, which require you not to blink. The 2020 MY changes, were even about 1.5 years later than planned for mysterious reasons. GX even worse, because they can.
Kicking the can further down the road and not committing to renewing a product beyond its existing lifecycle, is encouraged by overly loyal customers, who do not hold an automaker accountable.
After the end of 2022, I simply wouldn't buy another 4Runner unless you want the same 1GR-FE V6 and 5AT. It's running longer than even Toyota planned, because of delays with development and because customers keep spending dollars.
The primary source of this information should share this info with you himself and take the full credit, than me doing so. He owns a 4Runner too, up in GToronto Area. :canada:
If inside info comes from a potential forum member, I naturally leave it to them to explain and only PM it privately to users, as I find it distasteful for me to use someone's information who I don't know well enough.
Other than some Prado rendering, I see nothing that refers to the next GX.
Neither. It concerns timing, assembly, and new powertrains.
Google T24A-FTS and V35A-FTS. A hybridized version of one of these is the range topper indeed...
This is partly what my commentary pertains to, in terms of the expressed concerns of a lot of current owners of multiple generations.
Not quite, but some of that is correct. It won't be underpowered nor related to Highlander. I want to leave it to the messenger, than say it all without their permission.
Yes, but there's more. A huge factor in the timing of launch now.:doh:
Toyota has kicked the can down the road for way too long and as I said once before, didn't know what to do with themselves, when they attempted to cancel the 4Runner several years again and were forced abandoned it due to a massive uptick in sales with the 2014 MY.
The 2010-13 was poorly received for a multitude of reasons, perhaps less aggressive styling, poor economy, or V8 N210 owners, snubbing it and it rubbing off on other owners (1GR V6 buyers). They went off of that and tried to discontinue it by MY 2017, until reversing course by 2015-2016 and keeping it in production. MY 2017 production started very, very late in the year IIRC.
They are now playing catch up and that is disappointing, as I keep seeing this play out with many Toyota programs. They don't invest in the product's replacement early enough and sit on sales/profits.
Then barely start work at 4-5 years to launch, where it ends becoming 5-7 years in development instead. Case in point, the newest TNGA-F products this year and the 2021 Sienna.
IIRC LC 300 began development 8 years ago and were already doing consumer design clinics in the spring of 2014 in Australian suburbs, testing design proposals for what is now the 2022 Land Cruiser. It got delayed pretty dismally, when Akio Toyoda cancelled the final design and ordered another redo around 2017-18.
Tundra under 780B had powertrain or drivetrain issues, that pushed it back by over 1 year into December 2021, spring 2022 for the hybrid allegedly.
If they committed to these newer products, by or after the first mid-cycle updates respectively, these products would ample time to accommodate delays and not leave the incumbent offerings withering on the vine.
I mean in the context:
- 5th Generation 4Runner was rapidly developed after also almost being discontinued, starting in 2006. FJ, Highlander, and GX 470 almost made it redundant, until business case was made and dealers begged.
- By the end of 2007, the final design was complete.
- 2008 saw the first prototype vehicles being built and the new design first being shown to dealers
- Production began August 28, 2009 at Tahara
- Unveiling was in September 2009
- November 23, 2009 was the release to market
- Development of a redesigned 6th generation should've started in late 2011 or early 2012. (Development of 2014MY changes began in 2010).
- Final Design should've been complete by the beginning of 2014, right after the 14MY refreshes and an evolution of the outgoing design.
- Engineering-led Design Freeze by mid-2014, first prototypes built end of 2014/early 2017.
- Reveal in early-mid 2016, Job 1 in Summer 2016 and launch as 2017 MY by fall of 2016. End of 5th gen.
What ended up happening here is, sometime around 2011-2012, Toyota decided to against keeping the 4Runner and made no plans to redesign it, after the 2014 MY updates and let it ride out its cycle. The same plans for Sequoia and GX 460 were on deck, as the latter's demise for Lexus TX was planned. TX was ditched in favor of RX-L and thanks to sales jump, GX retained.
Dealers begged to keep Sequoia in 2014/15, that Toyota designed updates for 2018, which were finalized by early 2016 and launched autumn of 2017. 4Runner saw no more major changes beyond colors until MY 2020, which require you not to blink. The 2020 MY changes, were even about 1.5 years later than planned for mysterious reasons. GX even worse, because they can.
Kicking the can further down the road and not committing to renewing a product beyond its existing lifecycle, is encouraged by overly loyal customers, who do not hold an automaker accountable.
After the end of 2022, I simply wouldn't buy another 4Runner unless you want the same 1GR-FE V6 and 5AT. It's running longer than even Toyota planned, because of delays with development and because customers keep spending dollars.
RichinRidgewood
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Lots of good information here.
This what I thought was going on at Toyota however it sounds more screwed up than I imagined. IMHO There is nothing wrong with holding over models as long as they are selling and it doesn’t affect CAFE (or Safety requirements). There have been models virtually unchanged for decades, in Brazil for example.
I would imagine the longer they keep the 5th gen around the more opportunity it will go through more cost reduction projects and the glass, interior trim, paint and other systems will get more shitty than they already are.
RichinRidgewood
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T24a-fts
Decent numbers from this 2.4 liter turbo powertrain 279 hp / 317 torque
Lexus T24A-FTS ，更“亲民”的涡轮引擎 | automachi.com
Decent numbers from this 2.4 liter turbo powertrain 279 hp / 317 torque
Lexus T24A-FTS ，更“亲民”的涡轮引擎 | automachi.com
So what model year could we expect the 6th gen? 2023? 2024? Not looking for the technical details as that seems to be under wraps
I agree. While I might be a little suspect if they were built in China but Japanese companies like do a great job of ensuring their quality control isn't skipped even on products built elsewhere.
Not that I think the quality is better on the U.S. built ones especially based off this anecdotal case, but my dad has a 2014 Tundra that's nearing 200k miles and of all the many Toyotas our family has had over the years, this has been the very best one. Not one single mechanical issue ever and he tows heavy loads weekly. Pretty dang impressive!
My 2006 Indiana built Tundra was flawless. I like that my 4Runner is built in Japan, but it is definitely a factor in its high US price considering content. San Antonio will be full of Tundras and Sequoias. Building the 6th gen at the new plant in Mexico along with the Tacoma might allow them to keep cost under control while adding new technology.
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