Thanks for the informations! Is there any chance to see the V6 3.3 diesel in the Tundra?Significant delays ahead, no changes for 5th gen either. Mods need to correct once and for all the sub-forum, as the launch is far out enough, that it doesn't make sense to be labeled 5-6 years before release.
The primary source of this information should share this info with you himself and take the full credit, than me doing so. He owns a 4Runner too, up in GToronto Area. :canada:
If inside info comes from a potential forum member, I naturally leave it to them to explain and only PM it privately to users, as I find it distasteful for me to use someone's information who I don't know well enough.
Other than some Prado rendering, I see nothing that refers to the next GX.
Neither. It concerns timing, assembly, and new powertrains.
Google T24A-FTS and V35A-FTS. A hybridized version of one of these is the range topper indeed...
This is partly what my commentary pertains to, in terms of the expressed concerns of a lot of current owners of multiple generations.
Not quite, but some of that is correct. It won't be underpowered nor related to Highlander. I want to leave it to the messenger, than say it all without their permission.
Yes, but there's more. A huge factor in the timing of launch now.:doh:
Toyota has kicked the can down the road for way too long and as I said once before, didn't know what to do with themselves, when they attempted to cancel the 4Runner several years again and were forced abandoned it due to a massive uptick in sales with the 2014 MY.
The 2010-13 was poorly received for a multitude of reasons, perhaps less aggressive styling, poor economy, or V8 N210 owners, snubbing it and it rubbing off on other owners (1GR V6 buyers). They went off of that and tried to discontinue it by MY 2017, until reversing course by 2015-2016 and keeping it in production. MY 2017 production started very, very late in the year IIRC.
They are now playing catch up and that is disappointing, as I keep seeing this play out with many Toyota programs. They don't invest in the product's replacement early enough and sit on sales/profits.
Then barely start work at 4-5 years to launch, where it ends becoming 5-7 years in development instead. Case in point, the newest TNGA-F products this year and the 2021 Sienna.
IIRC LC 300 began development 8 years ago and were already doing consumer design clinics in the spring of 2014 in Australian suburbs, testing design proposals for what is now the 2022 Land Cruiser. It got delayed pretty dismally, when Akio Toyoda cancelled the final design and ordered another redo around 2017-18.
Tundra under 780B had powertrain or drivetrain issues, that pushed it back by over 1 year into December 2021, spring 2022 for the hybrid allegedly.
If they committed to these newer products, by or after the first mid-cycle updates respectively, these products would ample time to accommodate delays and not leave the incumbent offerings withering on the vine.
I mean in the context:
- 5th Generation 4Runner was rapidly developed after also almost being discontinued, starting in 2006. FJ, Highlander, and GX 470 almost made it redundant, until business case was made and dealers begged.
- By the end of 2007, the final design was complete.
- 2008 saw the first prototype vehicles being built and the new design first being shown to dealers
- Production began August 28, 2009 at Tahara
- Unveiling was in September 2009
- November 23, 2009 was the release to market
- Development of a redesigned 6th generation should've started in late 2011 or early 2012. (Development of 2014MY changes began in 2010).
- Final Design should've been complete by the beginning of 2014, right after the 14MY refreshes and an evolution of the outgoing design.
- Engineering-led Design Freeze by mid-2014, first prototypes built end of 2014/early 2017.
- Reveal in early-mid 2016, Job 1 in Summer 2016 and launch as 2017 MY by fall of 2016. End of 5th gen.
What ended up happening here is, sometime around 2011-2012, Toyota decided to against keeping the 4Runner and made no plans to redesign it, after the 2014 MY updates and let it ride out its cycle. The same plans for Sequoia and GX 460 were on deck, as the latter's demise for Lexus TX was planned. TX was ditched in favor of RX-L and thanks to sales jump, GX retained.
Dealers begged to keep Sequoia in 2014/15, that Toyota designed updates for 2018, which were finalized by early 2016 and launched autumn of 2017. 4Runner saw no more major changes beyond colors until MY 2020, which require you not to blink. The 2020 MY changes, were even about 1.5 years later than planned for mysterious reasons. GX even worse, because they can.
Kicking the can further down the road and not committing to renewing a product beyond its existing lifecycle, is encouraged by overly loyal customers, who do not hold an automaker accountable.
After the end of 2022, I simply wouldn't buy another 4Runner unless you want the same 1GR-FE V6 and 5AT. It's running longer than even Toyota planned, because of delays with development and because customers keep spending dollars.
6th Gen Must be Coming Out of Japan
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Thanks for the informations! Is there any chance to see the V6 3.3 diesel in the Tundra?
RichinRidgewood
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With the the new features on the ‘22 I bet we dont see a 4Runner until 2025 unless its just a rebadged something else.
TexasFunRunner
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I certainly hope it is not delayed beyond MY23 as has been the date since the photo of the Toyota meeting leaked.
Some of us are getting tempted by the new Ford Bronco, delays beyond the end of 2022 may push a lot of people to Ford.
Some of us are getting tempted by the new Ford Bronco, delays beyond the end of 2022 may push a lot of people to Ford.
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TexasFunRunner
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Do you have a link to the post with details?
RichinRidgewood
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That information is dated and some thing similar by someone with a similar name posted it on another forum as well.
Having worked in the Business, Product and Strategy Office at Ford I can tell you for certain that development and production dates, this far out, change frequently. With the new content in the ‘22, like I said, 2025+ would be my guess. If you are selling 150k vehicles on tooling that is 12+ years old and its not affecting your CAFE or Safety and your competitions (if Jeep or Ford Bronco are even considered competitors) vehicles continue have serious quality problems why would you want to change? There’s risk involved in a new vehicle. If its as fugly as the Prado or the Lexus things or if the other features are not well received you might flop and loose sales aka “fix it until it’s broken” comes to mind.
RichinRidgewood
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The Prado/LX/GX are actually Jocelyn Wildenstein-Sandra Bernhard ugly but that was too long to spell this morning.
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nimby
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Read post #36 in this thread.
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The Prado, to me, is just the older 470GX with a larger grill. I like it. I would consider buying it if it was in the US depending on how smooth the ride is and which engine it had. Shrug.
Absolutely agree with you on the current LX/GX.
I certainly hope it is not delayed beyond MY23 as has been the date since the photo of the Toyota meeting leaked.
Some of us are getting tempted by the new Ford Bronco, delays beyond the end of 2022 may push a lot of people to Ford.
Perfect! There is a shortage of 4Runners as it is, so if they push a few potential customers to that Ford hype machine, that means I'll have more selection when I get my '22 T4R, lol.
I for one am skeptical of the next gen. I like the T4R as is, and most changes to vehicles these days are more about fuel economy and CAFE than anything else. That means expect a turbo with questionable longevity and a 45 speed automatic that shifts like a machine gun.
I want to grab the current gen while I still can. If the next one turns out to actually be a big improvement where it matters, there is always the option to trade in later.
I really hope they don't blow it, since over the years every other SUV has become just a blocky minivan.
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Some of us are getting tempted by the new Ford Bronco, delays beyond the end of 2022 may push a lot of people to Ford.
At the present time, I don't believe the Bronco is an actual threat to the 4runner. They cannot do anything right over there.
We have a '16 Limited 4runner, and I had a July 14th 2020 reservation on a Bronco. I cancelled in March - when it became overwhelmingly evident that the launch was going to be a cluster. Today, all of the crows came home to roost for Ford.
I would LOVE a turbo V6 in the 4runner. I guess Magnuson is still my answer.
Tryin2decide
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“Today, all of the crows came home to roost for Ford.”
Could you explain what you meant by this? Thanks.
Why thank you, I do appreciate that. I just get so frustrated with curious owners being in the dark, so if I can help, I try. Better something not directly come from the horses mouth and hurt their current sales, versus surfacing in a more muted setting like a forum instead.
Thank you so much for chiming in.
Colorado buff
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No way the 4 runner is coming out next year. There is no leaks or real information anywhere. When the bronco came out there was information and speculation about since 2015.
22limerush
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Agreed with recent posts, ‘23 seems more and more unlikely especially with the supply chain issues to boot! Here’s to hoping they are taking their time to get it right.
Not only that, major shortages regarding tooling for manufacturing. Toyota would need to already have their production lines in place to release in the next 12–18 months. Outside services for the auto industry are also trending way behind on their anticipated lead times. This will all take time to clear. My guess is 2024 we see redesign.
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