ADS Bolt-in Coilovers paired w/ MCM Fab UCAs
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HiluxSurf SSR-G
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what causes the failure of the spindles?
BrianSD_42
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Age. Metal fatigue. Combine this with over-sized tires, more weight, lifted suspension, etc etc. Mine broke while doing a simple 5 mph drive down a dirt road in death valley. There are lots of stories here and on TW. In my personal opinion the older and more built your truck the more likely you are at are risk. Again sorry for derailing this thread. Just do a search on spindle failure, I'm pretty sure there are a few threads out there.
My point was that the weld-on metal brackets to reinforce the spindle top are can be bought for < $40 for the pair. The welding doesn't take long if you already have everything disassembled. If you wait until you have the failure vs doing it when you replace the front suspension, wheel bearings etc then it will cost you a lot more money and the potential costs of being stranded in butt-f-nowhere, America without easy access to a tow truck. Yes btw this failure type requires a tow truck to get you out. Imagine having that happen on Top of The World trail in Moab, UT.
The failure damaged my front drivers tire beyond repair. Tread on remaining 3 was around 50% so I had to buy 4 new tires and sell the 3 used. My front calipers failed because of complications from brake failure caused by the wheel collapsing. I had to pay for towing (luckily we rented a dolly and my friend towed me), labor to disassemble and repair, a new UCA which was damaged (luckily the Truck Shop gave this to me at cost), spindle welding, new wheel bearings (which were due anyways), new brake calipers (did the Tundra upgrade at this point), alignment, etc etc. All in this cost me about $1,700 to fix plus tires. If I had went to a dealer instead of my local shop I'm pretty sure the repair bill would have been $3K plus tires. None of this is covered by insurance because I was on a non-maintained road out in the desert. And no I was not about to fraudulently claim I was driving on pavement.
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So when you buy the ADS-Coilovers, UBJ and more -- which look awesome btw, just keep in mind this cheap preventative mod.
Death Valley fun - no cell coverage and hundreds of miles from a tow truck. Only thing that saved me was the buddy system.
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SRQ-Runner
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I have TC gussets sitting in my room ready to be installed. Brought it to a shop a few weeks ago and truck got broken into while the truck was sitting there.
Needless to say, I still need to get them installed lol.
Bandit Runner
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[MENTION=102266]SRQ-Runner[/MENTION] Re-posting this, as I don't think you saw it the first time. Thanks.
Oh man, I need to start saving my pennies! What benefits do the bypasses give?
I plan on installing OME 861 springs in the rear, which gives 4-4.5" of lift. Do you think the 8.5" travel shocks will work with that much lift?
Oh man, I need to start saving my pennies! What benefits do the bypasses give?
I plan on installing OME 861 springs in the rear, which gives 4-4.5" of lift. Do you think the 8.5" travel shocks will work with that much lift?
MattJakobs
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I have 861s in the rear and love them. Super flexy while still supporting all the added weight we have.
As for bypasses...
Essentially bypasses allow you to fine tune your rebound and compression. It allows you to have more control, especially at higher speeds.
With bypasses, it's usually a good idea to get limit straps as well. I'll be upgrading to rear 10 or 12" smooth body shocks with resis in the not to distant future and plan on doing a limit strap set up with that as well. The bypasses are a bit more expensive and a limit strap kit will help keep the internals happy while making sure they don't over extend.
Bypasses tend to leak into the long travel realm since there is so much adjustment to them and typically it's felt more on a 'go fast' basis. TacomaWorld is an awesome resource for reading about them and asking questions. If you click Here, it'll take you to a "Considering Long Travel" thread that'll touch on some of the pros and cons of bypasses. Since there are tubes coming off of them, they often make a clicking noise that can't really be drowned out; so make sure you're prepared for that.
This link will take you to a BS chat as well. These guys know way more than me about bypasses and can sort of lead you in the right direction (even though they are leafed in the back).
From what I've gathered talking to guys and reading, bypasses really come in handy for that 'go fast' type driving. If you're just doing trail riding and DDing, or something along those lines, a smooth body shock will likely be okay. If you still plan on going fast, but not jumping it, definitely consider a Reservoir. This will keep your shocks happier as the fluid inside will have more room to expand. This Video will talk about some of the pro's of reservoirs on a shock, even if it is a King sponsored video.
Sorry if it seems like I'm pushing some of your questions elsewhere. In my experiences, TacomaWorld has A LOT more information-especially when pertaining to suspension.
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SRQ-Runner
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[MENTION=109102]MattJakobs[/MENTION] hit the nail on the head about bypasses.
In terms of 4"s of lift with the 8.5" versions, I don't see you running into any problems. I'll talk with ADS and see what they say.
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Bandit Runner
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Wow! Thanks for your time in writing all that up and providing the links. Great information. Looks like I've got some reading to do. I don't really do much go-fast offroad driving, so I'm leaning toward no bypasses. Thanks again!
Bandit Runner
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Sounds good. Let me know what they say. Can you provide the compressed and extended lengths?
Having any more sales this spring? Maybe a discount for a repeat customer? :bluejump:
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BrianSD_42
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Do you make those UCAs? I see MCM Fab. Not sure what that means. Haven't heard of that brand.
SRQ-Runner
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We are a seller for MCM Fab. He builds all the suspension on our site including UCAs, long travel, cantilever kits, and coilover/shock/bypass designs for ADS.
Over the past year we have sold dozens of MCM products and have yet to receive a single complaint. I've been running his 96-02 4runner LT kit for close to a year now, being my DD it has over 20,000 miles on it.
Not a single issue. His build quality is top notch.
Bandit Runner
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Did you get a chance to talk to ADS about this?
Can you provide the compressed and extended lengths for the 8.5" versions?
SRQ-Runner
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8" travel shocks will be 14" compressed and 22" extended
8.5" travel shocks will be 14.5" compressed and 23" extended
Bandit Runner
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Regarding the remote resi: Are they piggy back style, or a flexible connection with a rubber hose?
SRQ-Runner
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Last I heard they were remote resis, not piggybacks. So they will have a hose and need the resis mounted on the frame somewhere. This could have changed since. I'm hoping they have the first sets completed soon.
96RedRunner
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Where this thread go, no updates [MENTION=55891]Bandit Runner[/MENTION].
Bandit Runner
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Haven’t installed them yet. Still collecting parts. Just ordered spindle gussets today.
Bandit Runner
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[MENTION=102266]SRQ-Runner[/MENTION] Any updates on the rear shocks?
SRQ-Runner
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Still waiting sadly. They have been swamped at the shop and haven’t had a chance to get to us yet. As soon as they release I might do a “group buy” of sorts.
