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"Would you be willing to amend this and ask the posters to say whether they or anyone close to them, like an immediate family member or close friend, have had any direct experience as a patient of the Amen Institute?"
 
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I am just an engineer but even I understand that validation is required if you want to really fix the problems of the masses. Just because someone claims to be helped by a product or service does not make it right. I want to see real numbers compared to other treatment types, especially when dealing with mind altering drugs.
 
I am just an engineer but even I understand that validation is required if you want to really fix the problems of the masses. Just because someone claims to be helped by a product or service does not make it right. I want to see real numbers compared to other treatment types, especially when dealing with mind altering drugs.

You will NEVER see that from AMEN or Hotze Clinics. They can't. That would be professional and business suicide. When confronted with a proposal to do a blinded study to see if their own doctors could read the SPECT scans and give a consistent diagnosis/treatment, AMEN Clinic went into hiding.

Look, there are much better tests looking at blood flows in the brain than SPECT. But, oh no, SPECT is the end-all tool for Dr. Amen! :D But, i respect him as a businessman because he has found a niche to grow...and be very successful with deceiving people of what he can offer outside the medical standard of care.

Maybe i will try and sell my Prius as a Tesla to unsuspecting customers and tell them that Nickel battery radiation will heal their cancers! No one has thought of that i think! Woohoo!!:toilet:
 
Another example? Hotze and some other physicians try to hook patients in on alternative medicine, like hormonal balance. Low T anyone? Unfortunately, all of these testosterone treatments is becoming a problem...new study last month shows that testosterone supplementation can lead to increase heart disease and strokes.
 
Another example? Hotze and some other physicians try to hook patients in on alternative medicine, like hormonal balance. Low T anyone? Unfortunately, all of these testosterone treatments is becoming a problem...new study last month shows that testosterone supplementation can lead to increase heart disease and strokes.

Just in case anyone calls me out on this, here are the references:

JAMA Network | JAMA | Association of Testosterone Therapy With Mortality, Myocardial Infarction, and Stroke in Men With Low Testosterone Levels

JAMA Network | JAMA | Testosterone Therapy and Risk of Cardiovascular Disease in Men
 
looks official and reliable:

Multi-site six month outcome study of comp... [Adv Mind Body Med. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
Highlights:

"PRIMARY STUDY OBJECTIVE:
In this study, the research team examined the outcome impact of the addition of single photon emission computed tomography (SPECT) to the assessment of complex patients."

"RESULTS:
Seventy-five percent of participants reported significant clinical improvement; 55% reported being "very compliant," 41% "somewhat compliant," and 4% "noncompliant." Significant improvements were observed across all three assessments: (1) BDI, 360 out of 500 (72%) participants decreased, mean difference=-6.92; (2) BSI, 367 out of 461 (80%) participants decreased, mean difference=-0.39.; (3) QOLI, 427 (85%) of participants improved) at 6 mo (Hotelling T2=460; P<.0001), mean difference=+1.65. Net improvement was measured at 81% (n=405)."

"CONCLUSIONS:
… outcome study of complex(my emphasis) psychiatric patients using SPECT as an additional diagnostic tool and demonstrating significant improvement."

from Amen website:
"In April of 2013, a multisite prospective, 6-month outcome study was published in the Spring 2013 issue of Advances in Mind-Body Medicine"
"...a major study involving over 500 Amen Clinics patients. They were complicated cases."

Mayo clinic
SPECT scan: Why it's done - MayoClinic.com
"The most common uses of SPECT are to help diagnose or monitor brain disorders, heart problems and bone disorders"
 
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Multi-site six month outcome study of comp... [Adv Mind Body Med. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

from Amen website:
"In April of 2013, a multisite prospective, 6-month outcome study was published in the Spring 2013 issue of Advances in Mind-Body Medicine"
"...a major study involving over 500 Amen Clinics patients. They were complicated cases."

Mayo clinic
SPECT scan: Why it's done - MayoClinic.com
"The most common uses of SPECT are to help diagnose or monitor brain disorders, heart problems and bone disorders"

Thanks for the links. You forgot to copy SETTINGS: The study occurred in four psychiatric clinics, the Amen Clinics in Newport Beach and San Francisco, CA; Bellevue, WA; and Reston, VA.

I am not familiar with that publication. Is an alternative medicine publication or mainstream psychiatry publication?

Unfortunately, you can publish much of anything in these small publications...and this is why major medical centers and teaching hospitals focus on the major medical journals (New England, JAMA, ACP, etc.). And this is also why standard of care in the medical community is based on these major publications.

As for your last MAYO link, it is for the lay person...but i don't see anything about psychiatric disorders, do you?? Did i miss it?

SPECT scans are good for CNS (brain/neuro system) tumors, lymphoma, neuroblastoma, and seizures. Those the main indications for SPECT.
 
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Some here question my integrity and why i have the opinion that i have. Here are some answers...source...UPTODATE.com, which is an authoritative medical site that looks at all major publications:

SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS

●Ionizing radiation from medical imaging now accounts for nearly half of the radiation exposure experienced by the population in the United States. The cumulative effect of small individual doses in a patient population undergoing frequent and often repeat imaging presents a new public health concern for risks such as radiation-induced malignancies.

●At doses used in diagnostic and interventional procedures, ionizing radiation releases free radicals that may cause DNA damage. Tissues are variably susceptible to radiation injury, based on their rate of cellular proliferation and their degree of cellular differentiation (table 1). Radiation-induced cancers may develop decades after exposure and include myeloma, leukemia, lung cancer, thyroid cancer, breast cancer, bone cancer, and skin cancer.

●The linear no-threshold (LNT) model assumes that any exposure to ionizing radiation, however small, can induce future cancer.

●“Effective dose” takes into account the particular tissue or organ that absorbs the radiation and reflects the equivalent whole-body dose that would result in the equivalent risk from a non-uniform source of irradiation such as a CT scan. Effective dose is measured in sieverts (Sv) or millisieverts (mSv) and allows comparison of exposure across different imaging modalities. Background effective dose is approximately 3 mSv; it is estimated that a whole body radiation dose of 1 Sv is associated with a 4 to 5 percent increased relative risk of fatal cancer.

Three guiding principles of radiation protection are justification, optimization, and limitation. Discussion about the possible risks of ionizing radiation should be part of the consent process prior to any radiologic procedure utilizing CT, fluoroscopy, or radioisotopes. Radiation risk in pregnant women is also heightened, with epidemiologic studies linking in utero radiation exposure to pediatric cancer mortality in offspring.
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I hope that this helps people understand my viewpoint, which is based on proven medical facts.
 
You will NEVER see that from AMEN or Hotze Clinics. They can't. That would be professional and business suicide. When confronted with a proposal to do a blinded study to see if their own doctors could read the SPECT scans and give a consistent diagnosis/treatment, AMEN Clinic went into hiding.

Look, there are much better tests looking at blood flows in the brain than SPECT. But, oh no, SPECT is the end-all tool for Dr. Amen! :D But, i respect him as a businessman because he has found a niche to grow...and be very successful with deceiving people of what he can offer outside the medical standard of care.

Maybe i will try and sell my Prius as a Tesla to unsuspecting customers and tell them that Nickel battery radiation will heal their cancers! No one has thought of that i think! Woohoo!!:toilet:

you have a prius? I'm sorry. :)
 
Mayo clinic
SPECT scan: Why it's done - MayoClinic.com
"The most common uses of SPECT are to help diagnose or monitor brain disorders, heart problems and bone disorders"

Since you seem so interested to know what SPECT is for...let me cut/paste from medical resource:

SPECT scans — SPECT uses gamma ray emitting radioisotopes and a gamma camera to record data that a computer uses to construct two- or three-dimensional images of active tissue regions [89]. When applied to neuroimaging, SPECT relies on an injection of radioactive tracer, which is rapidly taken up by the brain but does not redistribute.

The most common tracers to image the CNS are 99mTc labeled hexamethylpropylene amine oxime (HMPAO) and ethyl cysteinate dimer (ECD). Uptake is nearly 100 percent complete within 30 to 60 seconds, reflecting cerebral blood flow at the time of injection [89].

A significant limitation of SPECT is its poor resolution (approximately 1 cm) compared to that of MRI [90]. (See 'Magnetic resonance imaging' above.)

SPECT applications — SPECT may be useful for the evaluation of central nervous system (CNS) tumors, lymphoma, and epilepsy.

CNS tumors — SPECT has the potential to add valuable information to the diagnosis and management of certain types of CNS tumors. Radioactive tracers such as 99mTc-MIBI (sestamibi) are sensitive markers for brain tumors in children, particularly higher-grade astrocytomas [91]. Tumor types that take up 99mTc-MIBI include brainstem glioma, fibrillary astrocytoma, other low-grade astrocytomas, and glioblastoma multiforme. 99mTc-MIBI scans demonstrate changes in these tumors over time and correlate with histologic grade. In contrast, tumors demonstrated on MRI that are not visualized on 99mTc-MIBI SPECT include craniopharyngioma, medulloblastoma, and optic glioma [91].

CNS lymphoma — Thallium 201 (201-TI SPECT) is useful for the diagnosis of head and neck lymphoma. In particular, increased 201-TI uptake with co-localization of the lesion on MRI is highly specific for primary CNS lymphoma. (See "AIDS-related lymphomas: Primary central nervous system lymphoma", section on 'SPECT scanning'.)

Neuroblastoma — 123-I- metaiodobenzylguanidine (MIBG) is a useful tracer in the diagnosis of childhood neural crest tumors such as neuroblastoma, which can arise anywhere throughout the sympathetic nervous system. The uptake of 123-I-MIBG tracer within the tumor and its biodistribution can be used to determine if treatment with 131-I-MIBGm is warranted. (See "Clinical presentation, diagnosis, and staging evaluation of neuroblastoma", section on 'Radiologic evaluation'.)

Epilepsy — SPECT can be utilized in the diagnosis of seizures and is particularly important in surgical candidates. Ideally, both ictal and interictal SPECT should be obtained to localize the seizure focus; subtraction examinations can be performed off-line once the images are processed. Because cerebral blood flow changes are extremely rapid during the ictal phase, ictal injections should be performed within the first five to 10 seconds of seizure onset to obtain accurate localization. Timely injections during the ictal phase remain the main limitation of SPECT in children with epilepsy [92].

Ictal SPECT scans can be used to localize the epileptic focus in patients with epilepsy. Focal increased perfusion via SPECT occurs in up to 90 percent of patients with temporal lobe epilepsy [89]. Ictal patterns vary, but the most common pattern is unilateral temporal hyperperfusion with relatively decreased perfusion in other cortical areas in the ipsilateral and contralateral hemisphere. SPECT localization of epileptic focus has been reported in 70 to 90 percent of patients with frontal lobe epilepsy. Ictal SPECT studies also are useful in studying seizure spread. In temporal lobe epilepsy, ipsilateral basal ganglia hyperperfusion may be seen. In extra-temporal lobe epilepsy, the pattern of spread is more complex. In mesial frontal seizures, for example, the areas of activation often involve ipsilateral or bilateral basal ganglia and the contralateral cerebellar hemisphere.
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Radiation — Radiation dose is particularly important in children because radiation exposure from CT scanning appears to be associated with a small increased lifetime cancer risk [19,20]. In addition, there is a suggestion in the literature that early radiation to the brain may impair long-term cognitive function [21,22]. Although pediatric CT accounts for approximately 15 percent of radiographic examinations, it contributes to an estimated 70 percent of the total radiation dose to the population [23,24].



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Now you know why i criticized Dr. Amen for (proudly) saying that he has scanned all his children and their dates with SPECT! That is just plain stupid!
 
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Real McCoy or snake oil? Post your opinions here!
would you be willing to amend this and ask the posters to say whether they or anyone close to them, like an immediate family member or close friend, have had any direct experience as a patient of the Amen Institute?
 
not an oversight

You forgot to copy SETTINGS: The study occurred in four psychiatric clinics, the Amen Clinics in Newport Beach and San Francisco, CA; Bellevue, WA; and Reston, VA.
No, I didn't forget.
So what?
Where else would the study occur?
Where else will you source 500 test subjects? Five Hundred.
Is it your baseless assertion that Dr Amen is incompetent or unethical? Otherwise, I expect you to acknowledge the test result's validity.

I am not familiar with that publication.
So what? The substantive issue is the results. You now have access to the data you have been demanding. Exactly the kind of data you have been carrying on about as non existent and the key to legitimacy. Go ahead and examine the test parameters to see if they meet acceptable standards.
 
Otherwise, I expect you to acknowledge the test result's validity.


So what? The substantive issue is the results. You now have access to the data you have been demanding. Exactly the kind of data you have been carrying on about as non existent and the key to legitimacy. Go ahead and examine the test parameters to see if they meet acceptable standards.

Uhhh, no. Seriously, you don't understand why i am (and probably medical community) is rejecting your "data"? Have you ever thought why this "substantial" research was not published in the major medical journals? Did that ever cross your mind?

I will wait for this study from an alternative medicine publication to make it to the major medical journals. Until that time, my opinion of AMEN clinic remains the same. EVERYTHING i posted above are from major medical journals.

Hint: I got a research paper published while in med school. It was a rinky-dink paper...but my researcher and I found a vague journal in Brazil to publish it! Does it make me a world-famous specialist in stroke treatment? No. But, to the untrained eyes, my resume looked GREAT! :D

Like what i wrote in the other thread, in medicine, everything is analyzed and scrutinized to the smallest detail. There is a reason why your "data" went to an alternative medicine publication.
 
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So what? The substantive issue is the results..

Let me give you a sloppy analogy. Lets say that you want to see how good a car (example Corolla) is in a crash test. Which would you prefer to believe:

1. Toyota Brochure which states that Toyota has done tons of crash testing the Corolla and it is great;

2. University of Toyota, which does publications for both Toyota and Lexus, which also states how extensively the Corolla has been crash tested and done great; or

3. IIHS and NHTSA, which independently certify the crash tests and find the Corolla to be average in crash test performance.

Which do you trust to believe? Not sure about you, but i pick #3 every single time. Does it matter that Toyota crash tested a million Corollas and stated that it did great? Nope.

It may not be an exact analogy but i hope that you understand.
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And this is exactly why Dr. Amen chose to go this small alternative medicine publication route instead of letting his work be judged independently by blinded studies. Most folks (like dapslappy) don't understand this and thus reads into these "semi-bogus" studies and believes them! Dr. Amen will post this study throughout his clinic...showing how justified he is. 99% of American public does not even pay attention to the publisher. And this is why the medical community has such issues with these doctors who practice outside the scope of standard medical care. And there is not much that the medical community can do about it because these are not regulated by Medicare nor by any standard medical society. Patients are mostly cash paying folks who believe what they see on TV.
 
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