America this week, what the hell?

[-JD-]

because they are criminals. im not sure what exactly you are after here?

I'm asking for you to actually think about this a little more deeply.

Are you saying that black people in general are just inherently more prone to being criminals due to their ethnicity?

Ok lack of family values/systems, a I didn't see nothing attitude towards the police when they ask for help. Constantly being told by the Democratic Party that with out the democrat representatives they would be back in chains and evoke rich white people want to keep you down. Gangs have taken the place of family. Kids are worried about getting shot just walking to school. Overall ridicule of younger black citizens that are trying to better themselves. Selling the uncle toms, wana be white people.


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No we are getting somewhere. Lack of family values. In part because a huge percentage of black fathers are in jail.

Again, numerous studies, including ones already sighted in this thread have shown that black people are more likely to be stopped and searched by police. This leads to more drug arrests despite comparable, or in some cases less, actual drug use. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eople-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/
When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time

Then you have the fact that, as some of the already posted links show, black people are more likely to be abused by police (non lethal) leading to a culture of distrust of police that allows crimes to go unreported.

Add to that the reduced education opportunities we discussed earlier and you now have a series of systemic issues contributing to the stats mentioned above.

The United Nations has declared that the conditions on First Nation native reserves in Canada worse than 3rd world countries.

I don't see how a Canadian can deal with racism in America before dealing with racism in their own country.

Maybe when you solve the race problems at home, you can tell all us yokels how you took care of it so we can learn from your enlightenment.

I agree things are bad for first nations but its not the same issue. Nearly 50% of First Nations in Canada live in remote communities only accessible by float plane for part of the year, with very small populations. It makes it much more difficult to provide modern day healthcare, education and other services to these people simply due to their remote location. That being said however our new liberal government has pledged to make significant improvements.

 

[nevada]

I'm asking for you to actually think about this a little more deeply.

Are you saying that black people in general are just inherently more prone to being criminals due to their ethnicity?

I didn't say anything about black people. I was talking about anyone that gets hurt while resisting arrest.

if they truly wanted things to be different, they would have to change their behavior. you CANNOT force people to change. and you cant even help them to change, if they do not want to.

their current behavior is not a change for the better, just the opposite actually. they are only proving to enforce the stereotype they are protesting against.

 

[Thefishguy77]

Hence, the "do as I say not as I do" and the "forked tongue" reference as well. You can reason with some one that cannot walk in another man's shoes or refuses to and you cannot have civil discourse without GIVING respect to people's opinions even if you are in disagreement.

So where does the do as I say not as I do reference come from???


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[BrianSD_42]

Are you saying that black people in general are just inherently more prone to being criminals due to their ethnicity?

There is a lot wrong with your question. It is like you are trying to trip sometime up.

Black people are not more prone to being criminals because of their ethnicity. Any fair person would never say someone's ethnicity makes them prone to commit a crime.

But it is true that African Americans commit far more crime per capita than non African Americans.

5500+ murders committed by African Americans. They have a population of 37 million. One murder committed per year for every 6,700 people in said population.

4500+ murders committed by non-hispanic whites with a population of 190+ million. One murder committed per year for every 42,000 people in said population.

This is a real issue. The police are not involved in murder committed by the various ethnicities. There is no way to blame the police for these murder stats.

You can blame systemic racism all you want, and I believe that is something that should be addressed, but it won't change these numbers.

It goes a long way to the reasonable theory that police pull over more African Americans because there are more crimes committed.

 

[-JD-]

There is a lot wrong with your question. It is like you are trying to trip sometime up.

Black people are not more prone to being criminals because of their ethnicity. Any fair person would never say someone's ethnicity makes them prone to commit a crime.

But it is true that African Americans commit far more crime per capita than non African Americans.

5500+ murders committed by African Americans. They have a population of 37 million. One murder committed per year for every 6,700 people in said population.

4500+ murders committed by non-hispanic whites with a population of 190+ million. One murder committed per year for every 42,000 people in said population.

This is a real issue. The police are not involved in murder committed by the various ethnicities. There is no way to blame the police for these murder stats.

You can blame systemic racism all you want, and I believe that is something that should be addressed, but it won't change these numbers.

It goes a long way to the reasonable theory that police pull over more African Americans because there are more crimes committed.

But now you are just regurgitating facts to me that have been repeated over and over in this thread. I was asking that we look at the reasons why.

I posted several reasons I think contribute. One of them highlighted the fact that white people and black people have comparable rates for drug use and drug dealing. Yet blacks get stopped, searched and charged more often.
I find it bizarre that you dismiss systemic racism as some crazy thing I'm ranting about and then say that addressing it wont change anything... So what do you want??

You think everything is fine as it is? That people are crazy for thinking there is bias? Or WHAT!?

It seems like you guys continue to deny race is a factor then spew a bunch of statistics about black people committing more crimes, being more violent, etc. Then when I ask to address the reasons that this might be so you tell me that it wont change anything and go back to the initial facts. I feel like we're dancing around the real issue here...

Black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime in this country and therefor have a much higher run in with police that other races.

Right, and that has been regurgitated ten times over in this thread already. So now lets move on to looking at the reasons WHY.

because they are criminals. im not sure what exactly you are after here?

I didn't say anything about black people. I was talking about anyone that gets hurt while resisting arrest.

I didn't realize at some point during this long thread about BLM and racial division you switched the target to criminals in general.

if they truly wanted things to be different, they would have to change their behavior. you CANNOT force people to change. and you cant even help them to change, if they do not want to.

their current behavior is not a change for the better, just the opposite actually. they are only proving to enforce the stereotype they are protesting against.

This is a real banging my head against a wall moment for me. Take what you just wrote and apply it to racists.

 

[nevada]

I didn't realize at some point during this long thread about BLM and racial division you switched the target to criminals in general.






This is a real banging my head against a wall moment for me. Take what you just wrote and apply it to racists.

wtf are you going on about?
I specifically replied to your comment. i didn't say anything about BLM either.

what racists are you talking about?

you are having a hard time staying on point..

 

[BrianSD_42]

Then when I ask to address the reasons that this might be so you tell me that it wont change anything and go back to the initial facts. I feel like we're dancing around the real issue here...

The thing is that Black Lives Matter movement is about a narrative that police are overly violent towards African Americans and police them with bias (more stops etc). The question that comes to mind is: Is that even true? Many conservatives, backed with plenty of data don't believe the narrative is true.

Yet in this forum thread you are now asking a totally different question which is: Why are African Americans more likely to live in impoverished neighborhoods that have high crime and high murder rates.

These two topics and how to solve them are actually miles apart.

It is easy to blame the police for high crime, low income, high poverty neighborhoods and that is what the liberals in America have chosen to do.

 

[Thefishguy77]

But now you are just regurgitating facts to me that have been repeated over and over in this thread. I was asking that we look at the reasons why.

I posted several reasons I think contribute. One of them highlighted the fact that white people and black people have comparable rates for drug use and drug dealing. Yet blacks get stopped, searched and charged more often.
I find it bizarre that you dismiss systemic racism as some crazy thing I'm ranting about and then say that addressing it wont change anything... So what do you want??

You think everything is fine as it is? That people are crazy for thinking there is bias? Or WHAT!?

It seems like you guys continue to deny race is a factor then spew a bunch of statistics about black people committing more crimes, being more violent, etc. Then when I ask to address the reasons that this might be so you tell me that it wont change anything and go back to the initial facts. I feel like we're dancing around the real issue here...












I didn't realize at some point during this long thread about BLM and racial division you switched the target to criminals in general.






This is a real banging my head against a wall moment for me. Take what you just wrote and apply it to racists.

I was responding to a question posed by JD that is what I responded to. And as far as this thread not being on topic. It was derailed from about the 4th post.


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[ThorInc]

The thing is that Black Lives Matter movement is about a narrative that police are overly violent towards African Americans and police them with bias (more stops etc). The question that comes to mind is: Is that even true? Many conservatives, backed with plenty of data don't believe the narrative is true.

Yet in this forum thread you are now asking a totally different question which is: Why are African Americans more likely to live in impoverished neighborhoods that have high crime and high murder rates.

These two topics and how to solve them are actually miles apart.

It is easy to blame the police for high crime, low income, high poverty neighborhoods and that is what the liberals in America have chosen to do.

Even though I tend to agree with your definition of BLM in rough form, I am not sure that your definition is a given for many BLM protesters/supporters. I suspect that your BLM definition is not a given for everyone.

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[CoolMax]

At least six more dead in Germany. From guns. In a mall. ISIS celebrates.

America this week, what the hell?:usa2:

 

[_#1_]

Pitbulls have a bad rep for being a overly aggressive breed. I used to have a male pitbull who was the sweetest, gentlest dog there was. Wouldn't hurt a mouse. Why? He was taught that way. We gave him lots of affection and taught him to respect strangers. And so he did the same cause that's what he was taught and all he knows.

When I was driving with one of my black former co-worker, we gets stares by every cops we passes by. Him and another former co-worker was, and still is drug dealers (on the side, and small time). He even said nonsense like F the police.

That former co-worker's sons are now leading the same life style as their dad. Misbehaving and fighting in school and such. And he did not do anything about it, and he don't live with them either.

Cops approach blacks more cautiously because they have a bad reputation. Unfortunately blacks are born with more hurdles to overcome than other ethnics.

 

[CoolMax]

Violent arrest of teacher caught on video; officers face investigation

Violent arrest of teacher caught on video; officers face... | www.mystatesman.com

In subsequent videos, King is seen distraught and handcuffed in the back of a police car, yelling at other officers to keep Richter away from her and her property. Spradlin’s comments came as he and King neared the jail and engaged in a conversation about race and police.

“Why are so many people afraid of black people,” Spradlin asks King.

She replies, “That’s what I want to figure out because I’m not a bad black person.”

“I can give you a really good idea why it might be that way,” the officer tells her. “Violent tendencies.”

When she asks if he thinks racism still exists, he says, “Let me ask you this. Do you believe it goes both ways?”

“Ninety-nine percent of the time, when you hear about stuff like that, it is the black community that is being violent. That’s why a lot of the white people are afraid, and I don’t blame them. There are some guys I look at, and I know it is my job to deal with them, and I know it might go ugly, but that’s the way it goes.

“But yeah, some of them, because of their appearance and whatnot, some of them are very intimidating,” he says.

 

[_#1_]

Cop was right. Lady was wrong...

 

[1engineer]

But now you are just regurgitating facts to me that have been repeated over and over in this thread. I was asking that we look at the reasons why.

I posted several reasons I think contribute. One of them highlighted the fact that white people and black people have comparable rates for drug use and drug dealing. Yet blacks get stopped, searched and charged more often.
I find it bizarre that you dismiss systemic racism as some crazy thing I'm ranting about and then say that addressing it wont change anything... So what do you want??

You think everything is fine as it is? That people are crazy for thinking there is bias? Or WHAT!?

It seems like you guys continue to deny race is a factor then spew a bunch of statistics about black people committing more crimes, being more violent, etc. Then when I ask to address the reasons that this might be so you tell me that it wont change anything and go back to the initial facts. I feel like we're dancing around the real issue here...












I didn't realize at some point during this long thread about BLM and racial division you switched the target to criminals in general.






This is a real banging my head against a wall moment for me. Take what you just wrote and apply it to racists.

Geez JD I've answered your questions about 100 times in all these threads. You want the answer? Here it is again:
Education. Educate the people like me, White Joe Citizen, educate the police and educate black people to NOT resist arrest. Don't commit murder at 10X the rate of other races.
[MENTION=115020]ThorInc[/MENTION] posted a few pages back how his black friends educate their kids on caution around police. I posted the same about how I educated my kids to be cautious and respectful with police.

That's a start. How to do it? I have no idea nor does anyone else in this thread. Education is the solution. How to accomplish that is the challenge.

 

[1engineer]

America this week, what the hell?:usa2:

Terrorism in general has no boundaries.

 

[CoolMax]

Terrorism in general has no boundaries.

Yikes! What a way to live...:scared:

 

[CoolMax]

Cop was right. Lady was wrong...

Not questioning that - the conversation after the arrest is interesting though...:

 

[RunninInGA]

But now you are just regurgitating facts to me that have been repeated over and over in this thread. I was asking that we look at the reasons why.

I posted several reasons I think contribute. One of them highlighted the fact that white people and black people have comparable rates for drug use and drug dealing. Yet blacks get stopped, searched and charged more often.
I find it bizarre that you dismiss systemic racism as some crazy thing I'm ranting about and then say that addressing it wont change anything... So what do you want??

You think everything is fine as it is? That people are crazy for thinking there is bias? Or WHAT!?

It seems like you guys continue to deny race is a factor then spew a bunch of statistics about black people committing more crimes, being more violent, etc. Then when I ask to address the reasons that this might be so you tell me that it wont change anything and go back to the initial facts. I feel like we're dancing around the real issue here...












I didn't realize at some point during this long thread about BLM and racial division you switched the target to criminals in general.






This is a real banging my head against a wall moment for me. Take what you just wrote and apply it to racists.

You seem to have a specific conclusion that you'd like us all to arrive at through your path of logic/thought and that if we agree with you that systemic racism is the sole genesis of the problem (or whatever it is you want us to say) that all of a sudden we'll start sh1tting rainbows and the world would be fixed. I don't think it's that easy - there are lots of forces at play: generational dependency on government subsidies for care and support, political and media agendas, cultural influences, absence of strong family units, the extreme political correctness movement and everyone being so incredibly sensitive to their feelings, and decades of behavioral profiling that are extremely difficult to correct are some I see as particularly problematic. We are products of our environments - what we see and experience shapes our world view and what we believe life should be and should entail. You want to push aside the "regurgitated facts" of how this has occurred from some of our standpoints and want to direct conversation to the "why" but you're ignoring that the realization of and first hand experience with some of these facts has led many people to profile certain groups of people in a particular way. These problems can't and won't be fixed overnight - they will take generations to correct and that's why most people say in wont make a difference.

 

[CoolMax]

Why are there parts of that video missing?

Probably the part where he was reaching for his weapon! :wow:

 

[jeremyc74]

Terrorism in general has no boundaries.

Except it wasn't an ISIS inspired terrorist. It was sexually frustrated and deranged teenager who had been bullied.