America this week, what the hell?

[Yukon4Runner]

So you go from stating that you personally don't insult people and only the republicans in this thread are insulting liberals- to...you're an equal opportunity insulter and you are just fighting ignorance with greater ignorance?

Okay then...

A Vulcan he is not.

 

[Thefishguy77]

Ok, I'd like to table the first amendment to this new party's constitution.



Black powder is made available for those that prefer to home load.

There are no restricted powders or projectiles to law abiding citizens. Laws to ensure this would only lead to making amendment to the laws and thus restrictions. All firearms and hardware is legal providing your a citizen in good standing.

Edit: we use the existing constitution. Just cut the corruption and install term limits on all elected and appointed positions. All elected and appointed positions!!!


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[Thefishguy77]

Lead and black powder is available. As well as all common powders for modern firearms.


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[-JD-]

" Trump's book" the art of the deal actually wasn't written by Trump but by Tony Schwartz a man who, upon learning of Trumps run for president had many less than flattering things to say about him.

Schwartz spent eighteen months with Trump—camping out in his office, joining him on his helicopter, tagging along at meetings, and spending weekends with him at his Manhattan apartment and his Florida estate. During that period, Schwartz felt, he had got to know him better than almost anyone else outside the Trump family.

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

“Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood,” Schwartz told me. “It’s implicit in a lot of what people write, but it’s never explicit—or, at least, I haven’t seen it. And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ” Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement....“If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,”

After hearing Trump’s discussions about business on the phone, Schwartz asked him brief follow-up questions. He then tried to amplify the material he got from Trump by calling others involved in the deals. But their accounts often directly conflicted with Trump’s. “Lying is second nature to him,” Schwartz said. “More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.” Often, Schwartz said, the lies that Trump told him were about money—“how much he had paid for something, or what a building he owned was worth, or how much one of his casinos was earning when it was actually on its way to bankruptcy.”

Whenever “the thin veneer of Trump’s vanity is challenged,” Schwartz says, he overreacts—not an ideal quality in a head of state.

In 2005, Timothy L. O’Brien, an award-winning journalist who is currently the executive editor of Bloomberg View, published “Trump Nation,” a meticulous investigative biography. (Trump unsuccessfully sued him for libel.) O’Brien has taken a close look at “The Art of the Deal,” and he told me that it might be best characterized as a “nonfiction work of fiction.”....Some of the falsehoods in “The Art of the Deal” are minor. Spy upended Trump’s claims that Ivana had been a “top model” and an alternate on the Czech Olympic ski team. Barrett notes that in “The Art of the Deal” Trump describes his father as having been born in New Jersey to Swedish parents; in fact, he was born in the Bronx to German parents.

n “The Art of the Deal,” Trump describes Roy Cohn, his personal lawyer, in the warmest terms, calling him “the sort of guy who’d be there at your hospital bed . . . literally standing by you to the death.” Cohn, who in the fifties assisted Senator Joseph McCarthy in his vicious crusade against Communism, was closeted. He felt abandoned by Trump when he became fatally ill from aids, and said, “Donald pisses ice water.” Schwartz says of Trump, “He’d like people when they were helpful, and turn on them when they weren’t. It wasn’t personal. He’s a transactional man—it was all about what you could do for him.”

Schwartz said that when he was writing the book “the greatest percentage of Trump’s assets was in casinos, and he made it sound like each casino was more successful than the last. But every one of them was failing.” He went on, “I think he was just spinning. I don’t think he could have believed it at the time. He was losing millions of dollars a day. He had to have been terrified.”

In the past seven years, Trump has promised to give millions of dollars to charity, but reporters for the Washington Post found that they could document only ten thousand dollars in donations—and they uncovered no direct evidence that Trump made charitable contributions from money earned by “The Art of the Deal.”

Speaking on Trumps reaction to his statements about him:

Schwartz can understand why Trump feels stung, but he felt that he had to speak up before it was too late. As for Trump’s anger toward him, he said, “I don’t take it personally, because the truth is he didn’t mean it personally. People are dispensable and disposable in Trump’s world.” If Trump is elected President, he warned, “the millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows—that he couldn’t care less about them.”

Donald Trump?s Ghostwriter Tells All - The New Yorker

 

[ndcent]

I enjoyed this radio interview with George Carlin. Sad to think he died a year later. Wise words I would do better to heed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLt2ZJ-MTaY

 

[Thefishguy77]

So why is it that the trump haters won't rise up to the challenge of talking their candidate up? We know you hate trump. Point made. Why and how is yours better.


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[Yukon4Runner]

Americans are regularly required to surrender their passports as a condition of bail.

Is it anti-immigrant to require that an individual not born in the US give up their passport as a bail condition?

Washington child rape suspect reportedly bolts to United Arab Emirates before trial | Fox News


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[Yukon4Runner]

So why is it that the trump haters won't rise up to the challenge of talking their candidate up? We know you hate trump. Point made. Why and how is yours better.

Well, haters gotta hate.

And most of the Anti-Trump crowd on this thread don't have any dog in this race.

 

[1engineer]

Why do you guys insist on disparaging the opposition? You think it will change any minds? Um, no. If you REALLY want to change minds you will promote your candidate with facts. Talking $hit about the other guy/woman only starts flame wars.

And another item... so many of the "quoted" items you guys use are figments of someone's imagination and immediately become truth because it's on the internet. This thread has turned into a validation of the term "sheeple." Wow.

 

[Thefishguy77]

Defend your candidate ndecent. You seem to be a Hillary supporter. Why is she so much better than trump. I am not going to waste my time sling the candies as they have no candidate in the USA election.


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[ThorInc]

A Vulcan he is not.

No mind meld for you!

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[Yukon4Runner]

At the very least he could extol the virtues of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Bieber.

 

[ThorInc]

At the very least he could extol the virtues of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Bieber.

On the topic of the Bebe.......I like some of his music when I don't know it's him. As for Trudeau, he is the golden boy, the Great Liberal Hope but I doubt he will really screw up Canada.

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[CXS]

So why is it that the trump haters won't rise up to the challenge of talking their candidate up? We know you hate trump. Point made. Why and how is yours better.

The simple answer is that Clinton is not Trump. Quite honestly that's enough for me and voting outside of the two parties is a throw away vote. IMHO this election shows that we need a third party.

 

[ndcent]

Defend your candidate ndecent. You seem to be a Hillary supporter. Why is she so much better than trump. I am not going to waste my time sling the candies as they have no candidate in the USA election.


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If you had followed my posts or threads started you'd realize I can't stand Hillary.

I won't be voting for Cheeto Hitler OR Billary. The guy with the Canada obsession remarked something about not having a dog in this fight. That's about how I feel currently. F it all if you will, or as linked above, be a spectator.

 

[ndcent]

Criticism of Trump doesn't equate to support of Hillary and vice versa.

I feel stupid having to point this out but some apparently don't get it.

 

[Jernik]

The simple answer is that Clinton is not Trump. Quite honestly that's enough for me and voting outside of the two parties is a throw away vote. IMHO this election shows that we need a third party.

I still very much disagree with the "throw away vote" philosophy. Of course, the dems and reps love it - makes their job easier if they keep everyone convinced that voting for anyone else is a waste of time. Rome wasn't built in a day... every gigantic company started with just one store.

 

[hikenbike]

He can't because those aren't his words. They are Don Moore's, professor of UC Berkley's Business School and he took them from here: Trump says he?s a great negotiator, but the evidence says otherwise ? The Berkeley Blog



Here are the last 2 paragraphs of Mr. Moore's post:







Some might argue that Obama profited from the "long con" as Mr. Moore writes with his fiery speeches and promises of "hope" and "change" while not giving any details.

Yes, true , not my words and should have disclosed that.

Regarding who I support.......well that would have gladly been Rubio, Kasich, or Cruz, due to their more reasonable, level headed approach to governing and an honest humbling respect for what the Presidency truly is and the integrity it requires. As for Hillary, the only real choice given to me due to a failed GOP that couldn't produce a viable candidate that wasn't a truly sick individual, she's got enormous experience governing that is all very well documented for better or worse that you don't need me providing links for here. You can all use Google. She's simply the much lesser of two evils.


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[Gunslinger-13]

Yes, true , not my words and should have disclosed that.

Regarding who I support.......well that would have gladly been Rubio, Kasich, or Cruz, due to their more reasonable, level headed approach to governing and an honest humbling respect for what the Presidency truly is and the integrity it requires. As for Hillary, the only real choice given to me due to a failed GOP that couldn't produce a viable candidate that wasn't a truly sick individual, she's got enormous experience governing that is all very well documented for better or worse that you don't need me providing links for here. You can all use Google. She's simply the much lesser of two evils.


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Can you please elaborate on why you believe she is the lesser of two evils?

Her track record and criminal activity don't seem to jive with being the lesser of two evils, so please elaborate on your specific reasoning.

I can't stand either trump or Klinton. But Klinton is easily the one of the worst human beings in the history of America from all I know of her. Trumps not great, but he isn't even on the same wavelength of despicable as Klinton. So I'm curious as to your specific opinions on this subject matter.

 

[-JD-]

Why do you guys insist on disparaging the opposition? You think it will change any minds? Um, no. If you REALLY want to change minds you will promote your candidate with facts. Talking $hit about the other guy/woman only starts flame wars.

And another item... so many of the "quoted" items you guys use are figments of someone's imagination and immediately become truth because it's on the internet. This thread has turned into a validation of the term "sheeple." Wow.

Ironically this post makes no effort to change anyones mind with facts and is only disparaging to your opposition in this thread.

Yes, true , not my words and should have disclosed that.

Regarding who I support.......well that would have gladly been Rubio, Kasich, or Cruz, due to their more reasonable, level headed approach to governing and an honest humbling respect for what the Presidency truly is and the integrity it requires. As for Hillary, the only real choice given to me due to a failed GOP that couldn't produce a viable candidate that wasn't a truly sick individual, she's got enormous experience governing that is all very well documented for better or worse that you don't need me providing links for here. You can all use Google. She's simply the much lesser of two evils.

I would agree about Hillary, the lesser of two evils. The video I posted of Obama's speech highlighted many of her good qualities. Decades of experience governing, negotiating deals and getting things passed despite enormous opposition. She has proven herself to be calm in high stress situations, in negotiations with foreign powers. She has established relationships with politicians from both parties and around the world. Proven record of advocating for children, healthcare and women's rights. As a former first lady she also has years of experience in Washington and the White house that no other president can claim. She's proven that she is willing to step into the ring and get her hands dirty to get the job done. Has she made mistakes? Is she perfect? of course not. She's not the first choice for a lot of democrats but I also dont think she's the demonized character the right makes her out to be. Remember when they were convinced Obama was DEFINITELY going to take everyones guns away and destroy America? They turned him into some kind of demonized character too, but it never happened...