America this week, what the hell?

[ndcent]

Republicans Try Defunding Planned Parenthood In Dead Zika Bill

The do nothing republican congress may be causing the premature deaths of American children.

 

[Trail Wonka]

"Good example is USSR" -WHAT?!?!?!?!

So you are positing that the USSR was doing "just fine" until big old bad old America came along and did them in????? The folks living under Soviet rule were doing okay!?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!

I think you should talk to some folks that lived through shit in the USSR and do a little history research...

Socialism is not a good thing. Sure a few countries have socialism that is somehow staying together and working for them AT THE MOMENT.

NONE of those countries have the illegal immigration problems we do, none of them support 1/2 of the rest of the world like we do, none of them have complex economies and large landmasses coupled with huge populations, etc.

Socialism is just flat out absurd. If you want it, there are plenty of countries that have it. Please do not bring it here- lots of us know better than to allow such a thing get its claws into the USA.

Countless soldiers died fighting socialism and communism- and now folks in the USA freaking WANT IT!?!?!?

Crazy town!

I'll leave these quotes RE Socialism here as these folks said it better than I can:

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave."
-Samuel Adams

"When a government takes over a people’s economic life it becomes absolute, and when it has become absolute it destroys the arts, the minds, the liberties and the meaning of the people it governs."
-Maxwell Anderson

"The notion that the church, the press, and the universities should serve the state is essentially a Communist notion. In a free society these institutions must be wholly free – which is to say that their function is to serve as checks upon the state."
-Alan Barth

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all."
-Frederic Bastiat

"Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame and danger that their acts would otherwise involve... But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn't belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish that law without delay ... No legal plunder; this is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony and logic."
-Frederic Bastiat

"But to manipulate men, to propel them toward goals which you – the social reformers – see, but they may not, is to deny their human essence, to treat them as objects without wills of their own, and therefore to degrade them."
-Isaiah Berlin

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot lift the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot establish security on borrowed money. You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."
-William Boetcker

"Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good."
-Ayn Rand

I really don't care what folks from Socialist countries or any other country think about America, our healthcare system, or anything for that matter.

For every Socialist country that is doing a-okay (At the moment- that is), there are other Socialist countries that are falling apart! Venezuela anyone?

Do any of you really believe Sweden, Norway or Finland would be doing as well as they are if the USA wouldn't have gotten involved in WWII and defeated the Nazis? Like they would have even had a choice of what theiir governments would be if us evil Capitalists didn't step in and take care of their collective futures?

How about if the USA hadn't stopped the spread of Russian Communism?

The free world is lucky we THE USA spent the money, shed the blood and lost good men to insure the world didn't get taken over by mad men who wanted to rule you all at the tip of a gun, with their brand of Socialism!

It is disgusting to read posts by Americans who WANT socialism here in the USA. Absolutely abhorrent.

This is so riddled with misinformation and extreme right wing propaganda regarding socialism. I would suggest expanding your reading material and media sources to really understand the modern times we are living in.

 

[Victor_inox]

This is so riddled with misinformation and extreme right wing propaganda regarding socialism. I would suggest expanding your reading material and media sources to really understand the modern times we are living in.

:thumb3:
Generation raised on Joseph McCarthy psychosis must die out first .

 

[ThorInc]

:thumb3:
Generation raised on Joseph McCarthy psychosis must die out first .

Now this just totally cracked me up, thank you!

 

[Victor_inox]

Now this just totally cracked me up, thank you!

:usa:Good night sleep has that effect on me.....:welcome:

 

[Gunslinger-13]

You funny, I spent 30 years in USSR. I don`t want soviet model of socialism in USA but would not discard idea as worthless as many things were great.

My father fought in WWII1942-1945 and has PHD in history. I base my beliefs on his view of the world, my own research.

You should really do real research before spreading nonsense.
If you think that USA defeated the NAZI you should think again or better yet watch Oliver Stone's "Untold history of the united states". Great Documentary based on real documents Not some propaganda BS fed in public schools.
US only get involved at the end of the war to prevent USSR spreading to the rest of the Europe, no other reason. By 1944 USSR would have defeat Nazi without help. What would happens next? Soviets would build The Bomb" first and political world map would be very different. Without captured/defected German physicists not US nor Soviets would build it for another 20 years.
I`m physicist myself I'm familiar with the matter.

I would love to get my hands on this magical device that allows you to see the possible scenarios of past events as they would have played out IF _X_ didn't happen or _X_ did happen.

Speculate all you want, you will never know what WOULD have happened had the USA not gotten involved when they did. Endless possibilities, but that doesn't matter as what happened actually happened, so we don't need to speculate and doing so is worthless and without any merit.

You and your father are a sample size of one. You should know being a physicist that a sample size of one means about nothing when compared to a sample size of several millions of folks who lived under the ruthless rule of Soviet Russia.

I'm well aware of project Paper Clip, I'm glad we scooped up all the best Nazi Scientists for ourselves. Put them to good use and we have the world we live in currently because of that.

Whatever reason you believe the Americans got involved in WWII; and it wasn't just to stop Soviets spreading to Europe, there were a lot more reasons than that- but that is a GREAT reason none the less- it's a good thing we did, Stalin was just as ruthless as Hitler and had the Soviets taken the reigns after Germany was defeated the world would be a MUCH different place and I don't believe it would have been for the better, not in the slightest.

I thank god Stalin and the Soviets didn't get the chance to take over Europe. I don't have the magical device you do to see what would have happened, but based on how they treated their own people- I'm glad we didn't get to find out.

Listen, the Russians played a huge role in defeating the Germans, I'm not downplaying that, but I'm also not going to down play how terrible Soviet Socialism was and how bad Stalin was. If the USA didn't do what they did, it would just be yet another socialist regime controlling anyone and everyone they could at the point of a gun...

Oliver Stone is a loon.

 

[Gunslinger-13]

This is so riddled with misinformation and extreme right wing propaganda regarding socialism. I would suggest expanding your reading material and media sources to really understand the modern times we are living in.

So please, point out all of the "right wing propaganda and misinformation".

Let's discuss each point.

No matter what "modern spin" you put on socialism it will always be the same thing- taking from one man what he has earned to give to another what he has not earned.

I will never get behind such nonsense. It boggles my mind people people can justify this type of theft, because they themselves don't have to point the gun to take what's not theirs- doesn't make it any less a theft.

 

[Victor_inox]

Watch documentary first, then we`ll discuss it. Documents he used mostly publicly available, you can fact check yourself.
I speak 4 languages, I use broad information stream not just right wing propaganda .

Sorry to break your belive system, someone has to to do it for the sake of truth.

 

[Victor_inox]

So please, point out all of the "right wing propaganda and misinformation".

Let's discuss each point.

No matter what "modern spin" you put on socialism it will always be the same thing- taking from one man what he has earned to give to another what he has not earned.

I will never get behind such nonsense. It boggles my mind people people can justify this type of theft, because they themselves don't have to point the gun to take what's not theirs- doesn't make it any less a theft.

:frusty:

 

[ndcent]

The Dallas Morning News endorses democrat for president for first time in 75 years.

Telling.

 

[Thefishguy77]

Let's take college for example. You are getting a A average. Your roommate is getting a C average. Would you be willing to give you roommate a grade point? You would both have a B average.

You stay at home and study and read. Your roommate goes out and parties all night long. But it seems fair to give what you earned to someone who didn't try?!!


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[1engineer]

Watch documentary first, then we`ll discuss it. Documents he used mostly publicly available, you can fact check yourself.
I speak 4 languages, I use broad information stream not just right wing propaganda .

Sorry to break your belive system, someone has to to do it for the sake of truth.

The difference between truth and fact is that fact is something that cannot be combated with reasoning, for it is logic itself. But truth is something which depends on a person's perspective and experience.

Another way:
1+1=2. That is fact. It can be proven.
However, if I say 1+1=3, and I can get the people around me to believe it, it then becomes the truth even though it's wrong.

I'm not saying any of the statements above are wrong or right but this whole thread is littered with people's opinions of "truths" and very little "facts." Also, if it has numbers involved then we can make those say whatever story we wish to tell. There is a huge difference. Truth is simply having people believe your story and facts be damned.

 

[Victor_inox]

Let's take college for example. You are getting a A average. Your roommate is getting a C average. Would you be willing to give you roommate a grade point? You would both have a B average.

You stay at home and study and read. Your roommate goes out and parties all night long. But it seems fair to give what you earned to someone who didn't try?!!


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Would school benefit from sharing? Society as a whole?
I`m confused by your example, doesn`t seems to fit this debate.
What if student A offered to help student C study?
It doesn't have to be take and distribute.
Would student A find a good job after graduation?

 

[Victor_inox]

The difference between truth and fact is that fact is something that cannot be combated with reasoning, for it is logic itself. But truth is something which depends on a person's perspective and experience.

Another way:
1+1=2. That is fact. It can be proven.
However, if I say 1+1=3, and I can get the people around me to believe it, it then becomes the truth even though it's wrong.

I'm not saying any of the statements above are wrong or right but this whole thread is littered with people's opinions of "truths" and very little "facts." Also, if it has numbers involved then we can make those say whatever story we wish to tell. There is a huge difference. Truth is simply having people believe your story and facts be damned.

Facts can be proven, truth not necessarily so.. not for everyone.
check how many people still believe in supreme being in the sky despite lack of evidence.

 

[ThorInc]

Would school benefit from sharing? Society as a whole?
I`m confused by your example, doesn`t seems to fit this debate.
What if student A offered to help student C study?
It doesn't have to be take and distribute.
Would student A find a good job after graduation?

 

[1engineer]

Facts can be proven, truth not necessarily so.. not for everyone.
check how many people still believe in supreme being in the sky despite lack of evidence.

...God is like dark matter. Just gotta believe it's there even though its presence is just inferred....

 

[Thefishguy77]

You can argue that if both students had a B average then the C average student would now have a better employment options when they graduate. Thus earning more money and less of a chance of needing financial assistance. But the student with the A average would have to once again work harder to work and prove that they are worth more money than their transcripts tell. That is why we try in school correct. High school transcripts help us get in to better colleges. College transcripts help us get in to better jobs. Those jobs on our resume help us step further up the ladder on our way to meet what ever goal we set for ourselves.

I for one will never get behind socialism of any form. I work hard for everything I have and it's not much but I earned it all. I fix my own stuff (house, truck, 4Runner) when I can. I don't expect anyone to give me a hand out and if they did I would feel like its ill-gotten gains and probably give it to somebody/group that needed it.

I see all these groups of people that say we need to move towards one form of socialism or another. But I have yet to meet one person in those groups that willingly gives their money to someone that has less than them. It's easy to say something is a good idea but it's a lot harder to act on it.

That does not just apply to socialism it's a life truth the world over. Let's take America. We have so many people that wave a flag and say they support our troops but don't go out of their way to help them.

It doesn't even take money. It could be a simple as writing your elected representatives weekly about fixing the VA. We have these wealthy celebrities that say we need to feed and clothe the poor. That's an easy one, take some of your movie money or the money you spend on the flights around the country to speak about it and give it to shelters/food banks, instead of running your mouth to people that already agree with you lead by example.

I don't have a lot of money to help with but I do offer a very large discount to all active duty military LEO's and first responders. And well as a smaller discount for all retired.


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[Hepar]

So please, point out all of the "right wing propaganda and misinformation".

You recently posted a link from a website with headlines that included titles like, "It's Working: Muslims Everywhere Threatening To Leave U.S. If Trump Wins" and "Gross! Internet Investigates ‘Mysterious Green Substance’ Hillary Spit in Cup [Warning: Do not eat while reading this post]." Now, there's leaning and then there's sites with crap like this.

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...ry-media-yawns

 

[Victor_inox]

...God is like dark matter. Just gotta believe it's there even though its presence is just inferred....

I`m not sure if you f ucking with me or being serious.
There is evidence shows presence of dark matter, there is none of God. Unless you prefer to think that dark matter gravity forces is actually.... GOD. If so I`m fine with it.

 

[Thefishguy77]

You recently posted a link from a website with headlines that included titles like, "It's Working: Muslims Everywhere Threatening To Leave U.S. If Trump Wins" and "Gross! Internet Investigates ‘Mysterious Green Substance’ Hillary Spit in Cup [Warning: Do not eat while reading this post]." Now, there's leaning and then there's sites with crap like this.

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...ry-media-yawns

Not picking on you but I noticed you haven't called out ndecent for doing the same thing. Is their a reason for that?


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